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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:18
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Originally posted by Tingkai
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Albertans have no one to blame but themselves. If you never vote Liberal, they're not going to pay attention to you. |
This is what I'm referring to by the liberal backwards logic:
In order to express dissatisfaction and have something done about the liberal government, you must vote for the liberal government! If you don't vote for them, nothing will happen.
The system needs to be reformed, clearly almost anyone can see that from looking at it. You've said it just here and now in so many words.
And why do you think that if Alberta did vote in liberals into power that the liberals would change what they're doing to please the 3M people in a province that doesn't determine their term in office anyway?
No matter how you work it, in the current system, the only way to get a voice that matters in the system is by having a coalition of smaller provinces or a large province. Alberta is pretty much alone in the conservative position, so that's one small province against all of Canada, and Canada is simply a "majority rules" system right now, so they simply neglect that province. Sad...
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Asher
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Calgary, Alberta
Nov 1999
time: 22:18
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Originally posted by Tingkai
It's called politics 101. If you want stuff done, you have to MPs who will be part of the governing party, or the party most likely to win, |
So by your logic we should only have one party then, and then we can always vote for that one party and they'll do what we want. Simply brilliant.
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Now the Albertans do this in 84 and 88 and then they shoot themselves in the foot by spliting the right-wing vote with the formation of the Reform Party. Brilliant move. |
Albertans didn't exactly get what they wanted in 84 and 88, and it was incredibly stupid to split the right wing up. But you make it sound like it was planned. It comes down to the stupidity of two leaders, not the province.
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They're so fanatical about their voting that they won't even try playing the political game that everyone in the world knows how to play. |
Errm...in most democracies, the idea is you vote for the party that you feel represents your views. You don't vote for the party who is already winning consistent majority governments and hope they take heart and care about what you want, even if they can afford to lose your votes. 
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And when they predictably remain out of power, they complain that the rules are unfair. |
The Senate is a joke, it's completely and utterly useless, and it is unfair how minority provinces can simply be ignored by the government because they're minorities.
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All you are saying Asher is change the rules so that the Albertan conservatives are guaranteed to win.
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Where do you pull that out of?
What I'm saying is the senate needs to be changed so there's a fixed number of seats for every province, regardless of population/contribution. This way, the always-dominant Ontario/Quebec don't have complete control over the entire country by themselves, as they seemingly always do in the Executive branch and the House of Commons. The Senate is where you equalize that power with a system of checks and balances, so to speak, so stuff like the NEP doesn't happen. So Chretien can't appoint his liberal cronies to represent Alberta, who never votes liberal federally.
Now, how you work that into "guaranteeing Alberta to win" is beyond me. Perhaps you can connect the dots for me...
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Originally posted by KrazyHorse
At least two governments fell in the 80s. When strong mandates are absent it can and does ocur. |
A little disingenuous, KH. Has there ever been a majority that fell to a non-confidence vote? Chretien, as the leader of a majority, has little to fear from parliament.
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Originally posted by notyoueither
On another related topic, don't you think that bias in the media might have something to do with the Liberal's domination? |
No. I think it has more to do with getting the most votes.
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Originally posted by notyoueither
And the media plays no part in shaping public opinion? |
I don't know. It doesn't seem to have shaped yours or Ashers.
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Does anyone watch the CBC?
In Vancouver, the most popular newscast (BCTV) is pretty much anti-"whoever is in power". So they get accused of being pro-NDP when the right is in power and anti-NDP when the right isn't. But it's the same reporters, year after year, so I tend not to believe the "media bias" argument.
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