23-04-2002 13:03									#91
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- This aint a tournament Lung, it's a league, everyone playing everyone else once to find the worlds best... Faded Glory who you write as Cannon Fodder, would crush EVERYONE on that list with the exception of Swissy in Interent play! BUT to take into account PBEM players turns will not be time constrained.

There is plenty Dollar to the winner, probably enough to buy some new metal woods... SO get MP working!

	23-04-2002 16:42									#92
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Nice posts .

Fav, I think we should play a pre-maid, ruin cleaned map. Suggestions for map size - Tiny, Small, or?

My personal thought is that we should also have quite some water - no island map, but with smaller landmases to colonize.

	23-04-2002 18:31									#93
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The following is from the Multiplayer Strategy thread:

quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka I have a map, which incorporates all areas of the game - it is four Islands, Identical, with a land bridge and single mountains at sea with 4 whales to each mountain.... The map was created by quinns

It sounds appropriate - start on opposite islands, and see who is first to colonize the other large ones.

	23-04-2002 19:29									#94
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Sounds pretty fine by me. Gav, can you send me that map? BTW, my primary email of solver@apolyton.net is back, so please send there.

	23-04-2002 20:16									#95
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No MP for me - at least not before it's winter again........

	23-04-2002 20:47									#96
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Sorry to hear that, Bird .

	24-04-2002 02:40									#97
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I am afraid I do not have the map... although it would not be for me to authorise its use anyway!

We need to start thinking about how this is gonna run - Do we need to start each game as a Scenario to use a premade map?? Who is prepared to make a premade map?? It would have to be someone NOT in the competition...

Solver I think the map would have to be huge in size... the reason being is that this is a game to incorporate all strategies to work out the best player... on anything smaller the aggressive military player will have too much of an advantage I feel. The map that jbytheway refers to is reg in size with four islands joined by a central hub - Games start fairly slow as there are minimal trade goods (not even 4 of each) and the start player will be able to reach the hub of the 4 islands first and block movement of the other player - essential player one would get three islands, player 2 just the one... so no go. Here is what I would like to see.... 2 Large continents joined by several land bridges.... symmetrical smaller Islands - and a large supply of goods and mountains.... essentially all the building materials to suit all play styles, be it mad science rushing, high producers, high growth etc....

I also would like to suggest that entry cut off be a week from now?? Which means if Paulno1 and Doom want in they better post soon... Darth Viper would like to play, so hopefully he will post soon - And Blackice I really want him in, as he has a great chance of lifting the overall trophy..

Solver do you think Keygen would maybe create a map for this competition??

	24-04-2002 03:06									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka We need to start thinking about how this is gonna run - Do we need to start each game as a Scenario to use a premade map?? Who is prepared to make a premade map?? It would have to be someone NOT in the competition...

It would be good if every player get a copy of the map because you cant be sure that anyone get the map before the game start. Otherwise you would need a new map for every game.

quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka I also would like to suggest that entry cut off be a week from now?? Which means if Paulno1 and Doom want in they better post soon...

Paul forgot his apolyton Password I hope he will post here tomorrow. That would make this comitition much more funny

	24-04-2002 04:36									#99
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Oh everyone must get a copy of the map at least 3 or 4 days before competion starts.... Then we can all analyse it and plan strategy.

I am glad Paul will be in on this, any word from Doom??

Will all you guys join the Apolyton League? CTP Internet Ratings.. The scoring is similar to Gameleague, apart from each player puts up 10% of their score then it is distributed according to position and added on ( BUT you don't have 10% deducted from score.... Paul made the comment once, there was no point him playing against lower scored opponents, as you gained nothing.... This is no longer true).

	24-04-2002 05:44									#100
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quote: , there was no point him playing against lower scored opponents, as you gained nothing

lies lies lies lies lies
I think the GL scoring was good cause an average player couldnt come top by beating the same useless person a hundred times.

10% idea just meanseffectively, that you are better off playing the same useless person and getting 10% of the points, over and over again, easiest way to get to the top of the rankings.
I only played people with low scores occasionally cause they were generally not so good (and not so fun) . But who cares i guess, not me.

I will join the tourney, Im very upset though i have allready spent all the $500 on the guarentee i would win, but now 3 people who hve played the game longer than me have joined )-:

Oh well ill still win

	24-04-2002 05:45									#101
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Ill Play in league, why didnt we play the last game in league?

	24-04-2002 06:29									#102
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I'd like to join that rankings too.
What do I need to do?

	24-04-2002 07:12									#103
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Lung you get another going I'm in

	24-04-2002 09:15									#104
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I like the idea of having a copy of the map before the game starts. Plans, plans, plans, and more plans. And then when I get in the game, I will scrap them all and make new plans. How many people do we have as of right now? Do you have a list of the opponents so far? And I also would like to enter the apolyton statistics as well. Where do I go?

	24-04-2002 13:03									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Paulno1 lies lies lies lies lies I think the GL scoring was good cause an average player couldnt come top by beating the same useless person a hundred times. 10% idea just meanseffectively, that you are better off playing the same useless person and getting 10% of the points, over and over again, easiest way to get to the top of the rankings. I only played people with low scores occasionally cause they were generally not so good (and not so fun) . But who cares i guess, not me. I will join the tourney, Im very upset though i have allready spent all the $500 on the guarentee i would win, but now 3 people who hve played the game longer than me have joined )-: Oh well ill still win

Paulie, you forget something... we are all useless here... .... There is no ideal scoring method... I use a different method, for scoring in the ratings I run... Now our top player loses points for winning!

It has been a great buzz for me to play against new players recently... I have been in against Filix, Catete and Dragon... I learned much - It would be difficult for me to win this competition, BUT I certainly won't come anywhere near last... My biggest problem is I do not have enough experience playing against enough different opponents... But Iam trying to put that right..

Catete, Patryn to join the rankings you just need to post on the CTP internet ratings thread (it will be at the top with this thread) and then just start playing... You should both quickly move up the rankings.

Filix, when we started our game we put an AI in for Blackice... IF you wanted to start a rated game we can restart a new one later this week - if Catete agrees.... The rules on rated games are pretty specific... cooperation (map exchanges, science trading, private messaging) are outlawed, and considered cheating... so although I know *coughs* you think me and Catete were cooperating in the game.... you will know for sure in a rated game we will not.

Paulie, if I have to send you USD500, I will feel ill for at least a month......

	24-04-2002 14:55									#106
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OK, here's what we have. A huge, ruin-cleaned, premade map, with a copy of it being sent to everyone who wants it. Both land and water on the map, with enough starting landmass, but some quite tasty islands to colonize, and a landbridge between the starting players might be good, too.

On the one hand, I believe Keygen could to the map. OTOH, alas he's not always quick in making his job, it does sometimes last for more time than it appears it should - no offence, Keyg, but these are the facts.

Anyone else got the guts to design the map?

	24-04-2002 22:01									#107
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I might give this a go. What format do you want the map in? IIRC, it can be a scenario or a saved game or something with /exportmap which I don't really know about.

	24-04-2002 22:08									#108
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway I might give this a go. What format do you want the map in? IIRC, it can be a scenario or a saved game or something with /exportmap which I don't really know about.

I think saved game format would be best Jbytheway, and thank you for the kind offer..... I started on the ouline of a map... I think that an Earth world would be best - there will only be two players each in identical start locs on opposite sides of the world - I did an outline map idea, but goosed it up.... I can email that if you like.... Problem is I accidentally closed the cheat mode screen half way through changes, with start locs stilll on water!

	24-04-2002 23:04									#109
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Yes please. Is that a single player saved game (with one AI)?

	24-04-2002 23:28									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka I have a map, which incorporates all areas of the game - it is four Islands, Identical, with a land bridge and single mountains at sea with 4 whales to each mountain.... The map was created by quinns, I am playing for the second time on this map, you learn an enormous amount from it, I will send it to you tonight...

Hey Gav give the map to everyone!!
We want to practise too
Have anyone a quite similar map, like the map we are going to play?

	25-04-2002 01:39									#111
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I DO NOT HAVE THAT MAP!!!! That post is several months old..... JBytheway is designing a map for the game.... we will all get to see it at the same time, and practice playing on it!

	25-04-2002 02:01									#112
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Hi guys,

why are you searching for the best in CTP if every one knows that I AM

Well I can't play to show you it's true but you must believe me

BTW I'm a french guy know... and some cities are rioting here, ask Zobo or watch the news... oh and if they talk about Rennes maybe you could see me at TV

	25-04-2002 02:42									#113
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BER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You WILL be in the competition.... you will be back in 6 weeks yes?? NO PROBS competition will run for some months!

	25-04-2002 11:25									#114
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Sure Ber will be there... noone's going to let him away.

	26-04-2002 06:22									#115
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quote: Originally posted by Gavrushka ... - there will only be two players each in identical start locs on opposite sides of the world - ...

Thanks Jbytheway; I know it's a lot of work
=>Earth world
=>Enough Mountains (That means Mountains almost everywhere )
=> river is always nice
=> i really hope both startingpositions are 100% equal. You will need a calculator for counting the hexes of plains, river, wood, hills and so on...
Im sure that will take weeks or Months or perhaps even years to finsh the map, but im sure you are not soooo lazy as Solver said
Im pleased to see the map soon.
PS: Come on guys everyone is whining because of the maps, help
Jbytheway to do his job!

	26-04-2002 11:27									#116
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I tend to think the game should try not to be made to artificial, hence 90% mountains is a bit extreme. Bit of hills forest and mountains would be nice 50 % goods would be nice, More strategic with less goods. Was it decided whether it was going to be land or island game ? i presume mostly islands.
But i aint fussy lol.

	26-04-2002 12:49									#117
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I suggest not to use a premade map. I don't like the idea of studying it before playing the game because you will know where the goods are and so on. I prefer the idea of 3 restarts per player. One player will have better land that's for sure, but that's the game, you are not going to have bad luck in all your games.
Some players prefer to play water maps and others land. To solve this I suggest to play 2 games against each players and host will decide which kind of map they are going to play. We can agree some rules in the forum for example the use of wonders, gold limit, piracy and so on.
It's only my opinion, but I think it's easier.

	26-04-2002 13:54									#118
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Catete very good point.... and again comes down to who is best... If we all play a land and island game (two very different games) we get a much clearer idea... and across 20-30 games luck evens out... AND another superb idea that I played last night - you have to gift ANY tech you find in ruins to other player immediately!

	26-04-2002 19:22									#119
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Just to allay your fears, I am working on the map. I have finished the two main continents. I predict 3 or 4 more evenings work. I'm certainly not making it 90% mountains! There is even some swamp (but not much, and I put it there for a good reason).

I am obviously biased but I think a premade map is better. Restarts would improve matters, but I think it's vital that ruins be cleared - you can only gift the tech once you've met the other player!

Of course, it wouldn't be hard to change the game rules to eliminate ruins but most people seem averse to doing so and it adds further possibility for losses of sync.

	26-04-2002 19:32									#120
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Nah, the premaid map will be mostly land, but with some good water.