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Sirotnikov is offline Sirotnikov
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<big>I picked the wrong #$%$% smilie, by mistake.<br><br><b>This thread is god damn serious</b></big>

What do you think of this post reffering to the Israeli Defense Forces flag I use as my avatar.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...mp;pagenumber=2

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The sixpointed star represents Satan, the crown symbolizes the master of the world, which is how satan and his sons, the jews, see themselves. Blue is the colour of the sky.

- WFHermans.



What about this precious jem, siging his long post:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...mp;pagenumber=3

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Perhaps we can help make this the beginning of the end for the Jews.

- WFHermans

How about visiting the site to which he (WFHermans) links here:

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http://geocities.com/vialls/index.html

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i marked the wrong goddamn smiley

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!@$@#%$@%

Can anyone change the freaking smilie?

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I appologize for my language and rudeness, however, if you read what I refer to, you'll see why am I so pissed.

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usually we dont ban people because they say stupid things

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Why are you posting further links if you feel so upset about it?

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Mark[b], So I can rephrase his words
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Perhaps we can help make this the beginning of the end for the Jews.


You mean I can say [b]"perhaps we can make this the beginning of the end for homosexuals"
and you wouldn't mind?

You mean I can say that homosexuals are the sons of satan?

You mean I can say that homosexuals control the media and the world?

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Why are you posting further links if you feel so upset about it?

Because I don't want WFHermans to feel free to distribute lie and nazi propoganda.

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Mark, the guy's a hatemonger. It only makes sense to ban his ass.

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Because I don't want WFHermans to feel free to distribute lie and nazi propoganda


But in essence you are also distributing the propaganda.

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Originally posted by WFHermans in http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...mp;pagenumber=3


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The Jews certainly are smart and well organized. But they also certainly do have certain inherent pathological tendencies that they seem utterly unable to keep under control.


Jews have inherent pathological tendencies

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At controlling us they're pretty good.


Jews are controlling the western world

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just as some of them are dancing a hora and gloating that with their control over the George Bush government they really have a stranglehold on the world


Jews have a stranglehold on the world

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Jews are constantly taking polls, constantly sampling public opinion, so that they can estimate how much they can get away with at any given time.


Jews are evil and sneaky

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When they force some new policy on our government, they take polls to see how the public is reacting to the policy.


Jews control the US government

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They always are ready to fine tune the propaganda being fed to the public through their mass media in order to keep the Gentiles from becoming too restless.


The control the mass media
The control the Gentiles

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Or if the Gentiles already are restless, then the purpose of their media propaganda is to divert blame from themselves onto someone else.


They're obviously to blame for everything

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...Jews continually monitoring public opinion and then adjusting their propaganda line in order to move public opinion in one direction or another...


Obviously Jews are the only ones adjusting their "propoganda"

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that no one controls their thinking or manipulates their opinions. That, however, is merely a popular illusion.


Jews control thie thinking and manipulate their opinions.

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As far back as 1928 the Jew Edward Bernays wrote in his book Propaganda, and I quote: "The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. . .. The important thing is that [propaganda] is universal and continuous; and in its sum total it is regimenting the public mind every bit as much as an army regiments the bodies of its soldiers." -- end of quote-


Since the early days Jews have learnt to take over the world

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...but his fellow Jews, who had assimilated the book's message generations before Bernays had even written it, were busy elbowing their way into positions of control in this "unseen mechanism of society."


Jews control society through mass manipulation

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they do control the "unseen mechanism of society" which consists of most if not all of the mass media of news and entertainment


Jews control public opinion through their owned media

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in a way to keep the Gentiles from becoming restless and to protect themselves from blame and reprisals.


Jews deserve blame and reprisals but divert the Gentles from it

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Now, the Jews are well known for their hypersensitivity to any sort of criticism. You look at one of them sideways, and he begins screaming that it's another "Holocaust."


I'm obviously not a neo-nazi

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But this time there may be something to their chattering that the rest of the world doesn't love them as much as they think we should.


I just boldened the nice parts.

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Their poll-takers are claiming now that anti-Jewish feeling is higher than it has been since the 1930s -- and that's something.


Something good, he concludes.

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In the 1930s there was a big reaction in Europe -- and to a lesser degree in America -- to what the Jews were doing as communist commissars in the Soviet Union, butchering millions of Russians and Ukrainians.


Jews are communists and butechered millions of Russians and Ukrainians

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America's foremost industrialist, Henry Ford, published a newspaper, the Dearborn Independent, which exposed the Jews in communism, the Jews in pornography, the Jews in White slavery, and the Jews in every other filthy, subversive, or destructive activity.


The words speak for themselves.

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Many Christian preachers were not afraid to speak out against the Jews. Jews were only tolerated in polite society, but they generally weren't accepted. To a far greater extent than today, in the 1930s the Jews were recognized for what they are.


Hail anti-semitism

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In the 1930s if a prominent person [...] didn't like what the Jews were doing, he wasn't afraid to speak out. He wasn't afraid to write a book, and there were publishers who would print it.


I miss the times when being a nazi was easy

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Today, with the media and the politicians totally in the hands of the Jews


He speaks for himself

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the recognition by many Americans that despite what George Bush and the Jewish media say, September 11 was, in fact, a direct response to the U.S. government's support of Israeli aggression.


Really?

Let's see what WFHermans had to say about September 11 in a thread in the Off Topic on 25-03-2002 14:29

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911 Was a Mossad False Flag Operation
By Sean McBride
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investigating CIA drug-trade
involvement.)
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I've been strongly resisting coming to the best guess that 911 was a classic Mossad false flag operation, conducted with the full complicity of a Zionist political network loyal to Israel at the highest levels of the U.S. government, but some recent events have made it almost impossible to ignore the obvious.

[...]

Here's the best guest so far of what happened on 9/11/2001...

Osama bin Laden is a high level agent operated by the Israeli Mossad in cooperation with the CIA. OBL and his inner circle recruited the hijackers for 911, with the naive recruitees having little idea of what they were really getting into or about whom was pulling their strings (this was the false flag component of the operation). The hijacked planes were taken over on 9/11 by remote control -- the hijackers lacked the piloting skills to execute the maneuvers that were performed. Well-established procedures for handling situations of this kind were deliberately overridden by orders from on high within the Bush administration. The planes were allowed to hit their targets.

Now the government is engaged in a massive propaganda campaign to suppress any reasonable questions about 911. If the cover-up starts to fall apart, it is likely that more and worse terrorist incidents will be engineered, martial law will be declared, and any skeptics and dissidents will be imprisoned or murdered.


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The Jewish media, of course, use their typical deceit in deflecting blame from themselves in this regard, by setting up a straw man and then knocking it down. With disgust and incredulity in their voices they announce that anti-Semites are blaming Jews for the September 11 attacks, implying that what anti-Semites are saying is that Jews themselves staged the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon and made it look like Muslims had done it in order to generate American hostility against Muslims. And then they shake their heads in pretended disbelief that anyone could be so stupid as to believe such an obviously incorrect explanation of September 11, all for the sake of blaming the poor, innocent Jews.[/b]

It's interesting that he posts that, considering the fact WFHermans posted an article supporting that notion.

[q]a delayed backlash against Jewish efforts during the last three or four years to extort "Holocaust" reparations payments from everyone in sight. I mean, can you believe that there are Gentiles in Switzerland and France and Germany and Poland and Sweden and other countries in Europe who dare to resent the Jews coming around with their hands out and demanding reparations from the people who saved their hides during the war? I can believe it.


Jews to not deserve reparations for the holocaust
"Holocaust" is not real, hence it's enquoted
Jews were saved by the Europeans during the war

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that the U.S. government does whatever Israel tells it to do.


Speaks for its self.

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that "shitty little country" Israel, as France's ambassador to the United Kingdom, Daniel Bernard, put it recently.


And was right

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I'll read to you excerpts from a few British news reports about what the Jews did in the Palestinian refugee camp in Jenin ... All the excerpts I'll read now came from British newspapers published on April 16.

This first report is from The Times of London and was filed by reporter Janine Giovanni. I quote: ". . . we had to run through olive groves, dodging from tree to tree because of an Israeli sniper. I have seen demolished houses before. I have seen wells stuffed with bodies. I have seen civilians terrorised and living under siege. But what remains of Jenin camp is a wasteland of death that once housed 13,000 people."


Taken out of context to say:
Israelis massacared 13,000 people in Jenin

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Kamal Anis said he saw an Israeli bulldozer scooping up 30 bodies and dumping them beside a ruined house. It knocked down the building, covering the corpses with rubble. It then drove over the pile, leveling it into a crude mass grave.


This must be true since only the Jews use propoganda

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where thousands of people are still living amid the ruins. . .


Nice lie. Most people left the camp and only recently have been allowed back in.

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say there are hundreds of corpses entombed beneath the dust, under a field of debris, criss-crossed with tank and bulldozer treadmarks.


Meanwhile, only 48 bodies were found by IDF and 38 by Palestinains.

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Much of the camp -- once home to 15,000 Palestinian refugees from the 1948 war -- is falling down.


Wasn't it 13,000?

It had refused entry to Red Cross ambulances for nearly a week, in violation of the Geneva Convention.

Red Crescent ambulances carried bombs , in violation of the Geneva convention.

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That's easier to do when the Jews don't control every medium of mass communication, as they do in America.


Again, speaks for its self.

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I've been sampling the news on CNN and Fox TV all week. All I learned about the Jewish assault on Jenin was that 13 Israeli soldiers were killed when a boobytrapped building collapsed on them.


Obviously this should be celebrated

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But I have still to see any information about the mass murder of Palestinian civilians in Jenin or any of the other refugee camps invaded by the Jews during the past few weeks.

Because there were none.

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the way in which the Jews were targeting their victims.


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That sounds an awful lot like what the Jews did in the Baltic countries and in Poland in the early days of the Second World War. In Poland, for example, they rounded up 25,000 of Poland's leading citizens -- army officers, professors, writers -- and murdered them. When the Germans found some of the mass graves of these murdered Poles in Russia and called in the Red Cross and representatives from neutral countries to see what the communists had done, the newspapers over here ignored the evidence and blamed the murders on the Germans. Years after the war these mass murders of the Polish elite still were being blamed on the Germans by the media here.


Execution of Jews never happenned!
It were Jews who murdered poles and germans!

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It is a real hatred of Jews as Jews, not just as Israelis or Zionists. They cite mobs attacking Jews in the streets of Ukrainian and Russian cities and shouting. "Kill the Jews!" They refer to attacks on synagogues in France and Germany. They complain that all of the old anti-Semitic conspiracy theories about Jews wanting to dominate the world are being resurrected.


Nazism is alive again! Cheers!

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Now, what's really happening is this: The Israelis are irritated by Palestinian suicide bombers.


450 dead are an "irritation"

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And the Jews figured that they would simply ride out the criticism in Europe, as they always have in the past, counting on their bought politicians to cover for them.


Jews buy politicians in Europe

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As they have done so often in the past, however, the Jews overreached themselves. Their arrogance led them to miscalculate. They are whining now that the world hates them just for trying to defend themselves. And of course, a growing number of thinking people do hate them -- at least, in those places where thinking people are well informed. One of our responsibilities here in America is to compensate as much as we can for the lack of independent media. Our responsibility is to inform thinking people here at least to the extent they are informed in Europe and then let their natural decency and sense of responsibility do the rest.


It is important to hate Jews

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Perhaps we can help make this the beginning of the end for the Jews.


<h3>Perhaps we can help make this the beginning of the end for the Jews.</h3>

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Wow, the jews are busy people!

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Because I don't want WFHermans to feel free to distribute lie and nazi propoganda


But in essence you are also distributing the propaganda.


I distribute it to condemn.

He distributes it as absolute truth.

Do you suggest I ignore it?

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This is not WFHerman's first time.

He was also banned for spewing Nazi rpopoganda on Paradox's "Europa Universalis" forums, as evident from this thread:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...;threadid=47352

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First I would make sure he isn't someones DL. As I remember someone was banned for saying something to the effect that he would like to gun down gays if they had a march through his city. Was that Gian? I can't recall. Anyway a lot of people made a big deal about it. But I guess the rule at poly is to be more subtle about it.


I certainly wouldn't miss WFHermans.

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It was Gian, spray.

And Gian iirc even confronted WFHerman in one thread... so I don't suppose it's him.

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And Gian iirc appologized and stopped hating gay people that much. Or atleast stoped saying they should be slaughtered.

Not protecting him, but Gian usually began his hate posts when extremely mad, after he was baited by a couple of brits.

WFHermans posts his hate posts cool headedly, and later usually asks me why do I blame him of anti-semitism.

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somehow i'm more disturbed by your hate towards him rather than his stupid hate towards jews....

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Somehow I smell racist bias here.

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I distribute it to condemn.

He distributes it as absolute truth.

Do you suggest I ignore it?


No, I suggest you condemn it. If you post the things you find offensive to a moderator that should be sufficient, provided they take action.

the way I see it:
If people cannot see he is displaying Nazi propaganda, then your highlighting of it (with or without a public health warning) will only serve to give greater coverage to the lies, and those susceptable to it. For those who are susceptible, then your health warnings will not doing anything to prevent them from believing, unless you counter the argument. Simply saying its a lie will not do much to dissuade.

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I have seen some of his statements Siro. Not the one in question but enough to know that he is either a DL or a very hateful person. Like I said, the rule here at poly seems to be a matter of being sublte about ones hatered. Gian flies off the handle while Herman seems to quitely make his statements.


They are wrong regardless.

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Well these arguments should be structured rationally and respectfully. Although the Israelis are going to get flak for their nation's actions, racist conduct is not acceptable. Punish him Mark, you have punished me for much, much less...

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And me!

I absolutely agree and I've put it like that before. Some people just mix up political structures and mere people, thus becoming racist hate machines. Ban that guy and give Siro a warning for being close to being brainwashed

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somehow i'm more disturbed by your hate towards him rather than his stupid hate towards jews....


I don't remember those setiments when Gian mentioned that gays should be killed. IIRC posters cried bloody murder and Gian was banned. Was it more because Gian said them in a rage and Herman is more polite about his calls for getting rid of Jews.

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If people cannot see he is displaying Nazi propaganda, then your highlighting of it (with or without a public health warning) will only serve to give greater coverage to the lies, and those susceptable to it. For those who are susceptible, then your health warnings will not doing anything to prevent them from believing, unless you counter the argument. Simply saying its a lie will not do much to dissuade.


I think you're wrong.

I do my higlighting trying to make his nazi messages clearer, and more easily recognizable to the public, as what they really are - anti-semitic.

It is my sincere belief that people do not agree with nazi messages.

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somehow i'm more disturbed by your hate towards him rather than his stupid hate towards jews....

You know, he, and the likes of him caused me and my relatives quite a lot of trouble, just for being jews.

True, I sometimes get angered by anti-israeli propoganda, usually when it begins to get generally anti-jewish.

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Did you see my reaction to his post, Siro?

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Was it more because Gian said them in a rage and Herman is more polite about his calls for getting rid of Jews.
probably
it's a bit different to say that X should be killed from saying that X control the media, isnt it?

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WFH didn't say they control the media, he said the David star is a symbol for militarism something, go fig.

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Let's see how much people jump at me:

homosexuals are the sons of satan and want to take over the world

homosexuals control the media and the world and force us to believe that their sins are alright

perhaps we can make this the beginning of the end for homosexuals - their persecutioners throughout the ages were just and i wish they had succeeded.

Is this acceptable, mark?

 
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