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If it's useless then ignore it and go with your life. There are other issues out there that actually impact people in real ways. Instead the courts will be tied up because some dad was offended. |
I absolutely agree! Technically the court is probably correct, but what a dumb-sh*t trivial thing for either side to waste time on.
I went to school in the 50's and early 60's, when we recited not only the Pledge but also the Lord's Prayer every day. I was (and still am) an atheist, but it didn't bother me; the whole thing was meaningless noise as far as I was concerned. They probably added "under God" to the Pledge sometime during my stay in school but I don't remember it at all.
If I had a kid in public school I'd tell him to just pretend he's reciting "Mairsey Doats" and concentrate on things that matter.
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The United States Senate just condemned this ruling by a 99-1 vote. The 9th Circuit court makes asses of themselves again. There ruling will be ignored. They have created a stir that reminds me of Andrew Jackson's comment which went something like this: "It is their decision now let them enforce it."
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Fro Fox news:
WASHINGTON — "Wrong decision" is the White House response to a federal court ruling Wednesday that called the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because it includes the words "under God."
"The president's reaction was that this ruling is ridiculous," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, who said President Bush was informed of the San Francisco court's ruling while attendin the G-8 summit in Calgary, Canada. "The Supreme Court itself begins each of its sessions with the phrase, 'God save the United States and this honorable court.'"
"The view of the White House is that this was a wrong decision and the Department Justice is now evaluating how to seek redress," he added.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled the Pledge unconstitutional Wednesday because in includes the phrase "under God," added by Congress in 1954. The court said the phrase amounts to a government endorsement of religion in violation of the Constitution's Establishment Clause, which requires a separation of church and state.
"A profession that we are a nation 'under God' is identical, for Establishment Clause purposes, to a profession that we are a nation 'under Jesus,' a nation 'under Vishnu,' a nation 'under Zeus,' or a nation 'under no god,' because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to religion," Judge Alfred T. Goodwin wrote for the three-judge panel.
Congressional reaction also was swift and unkind.
"Just nuts," Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said on the Senate floor.
"Stupid, stupid," echoed Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W. Va.
"Political activism run amok," said Sen. George Allen, R-Va.
"I've been searching for a nice way to put it since I first heard about this ... There isn't. This is idiotic," said Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga.
"Obviously, the liberal court in San Francisco has gotten this one wrong," said House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. "Of course, we are one nation, under God. The Pledge of Allegiance is a patriotic salute that brings people of all faiths together to share in the American spirit. It's time for the Senate to move forward and confirm some common-sense jurists."
The case was brought by Michael A. Newdow, a Sacramento atheist who objected because his second-grade daughter was required to recite the pledge at the Elk Grove school district. A federal judge had dismissed his lawsuit.
Newdow, a doctor who holds a law degree and represented himself, called the pledge a "religious idea that certain people don't agree with."
The decision will affect only the states of Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon and Washington state, which the 9th Circuit Court covers.
Though no word has been made of an appeal yet, many believe the case could be heard by the United States Supreme Court.
"I think the Pledge is a good thing for the country and I hope we keep it," said House Minority Leader **** Gephardt, D-Mo. "[T]his is a normative thing, it is not a religious question ... and I would hope that in the future that would be the view of the court."
"In recent years, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned 27 of 29 9th Circuit decisions so that tells you that the 9th Circuit is out of step with the rest of the federal judiciary," said Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa.
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Beijing ~ Singapore ~ Toronto ~ All hail to the new Rome
Sep 2001
time: 00:20
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Originally posted by Lincoln
Fro Fox news:
WASHINGTON — "Wrong decision" is the White House response to a federal court ruling Wednesday that called the Pledge of Allegiance unconstitutional because it includes the words "under God."
"The president's reaction was that this ruling is ridiculous," said White House spokesman Ari Fleischer, who said President Bush was informed of the San Francisco court's ruling while attendin the G-8 summit in Calgary, Canada. "The Supreme Court itself begins each of its sessions with the phrase, 'God save the United States and this honorable court.'"
"The view of the White House is that this was a wrong decision and the Department Justice is now evaluating how to seek redress," he added.
The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled the Pledge unconstitutional Wednesday because in includes the phrase "under God," added by Congress in 1954. The court said the phrase amounts to a government endorsement of religion in violation of the Constitution's Establishment Clause, which requires a separation of church and state.
"A profession that we are a nation 'under God' is identical, for Establishment Clause purposes, to a profession that we are a nation 'under Jesus,' a nation 'under Vishnu,' a nation 'under Zeus,' or a nation 'under no god,' because none of these professions can be neutral with respect to religion," Judge Alfred T. Goodwin wrote for the three-judge panel.
Congressional reaction also was swift and unkind.
"Just nuts," Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, D-S.D., said on the Senate floor.
"Stupid, stupid," echoed Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W. Va.
"Political activism run amok," said Sen. George Allen, R-Va.
"I've been searching for a nice way to put it since I first heard about this ... There isn't. This is idiotic," said Rep. Bob Barr, R-Ga.
"Obviously, the liberal court in San Francisco has gotten this one wrong," said House Speaker Dennis Hastert, R-Ill. "Of course, we are one nation, under God. The Pledge of Allegiance is a patriotic salute that brings people of all faiths together to share in the American spirit. It's time for the Senate to move forward and confirm some common-sense jurists."
The case was brought by Michael A. Newdow, a Sacramento atheist who objected because his second-grade daughter was required to recite the pledge at the Elk Grove school district. A federal judge had dismissed his lawsuit.
Newdow, a doctor who holds a law degree and represented himself, called the pledge a "religious idea that certain people don't agree with."
The decision will affect only the states of Alaska, Arizona, California, Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon and Washington state, which the 9th Circuit Court covers.
Though no word has been made of an appeal yet, many believe the case could be heard by the United States Supreme Court.
"I think the Pledge is a good thing for the country and I hope we keep it," said House Minority Leader **** Gephardt, D-Mo. "[T]his is a normative thing, it is not a religious question ... and I would hope that in the future that would be the view of the court."
"In recent years, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned 27 of 29 9th Circuit decisions so that tells you that the 9th Circuit is out of step with the rest of the federal judiciary," said Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa. |
Good to see that America has renewed its membership in the Axis of Religious Countries, one that also includes Iran and the Vatican. 
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Lincoln
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I think atheists are upset because the pledge does not say "one nation without God..."
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Lincoln
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If that phrase is "grossly unconstitutional" then so is the constitution. It was ratified "in the year of our LORD ?? 1779..."
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