05-07-2002 18:45									#211
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quote: Originally posted by Cloud9 You know, folks. Think of it this way. If abortion was outlawed people would be more responsible, because they will not want to have sex and risk an unwanted pregnancy that can't be undone. In the process, less sex means that the spread of STD's (sexually transmitted diseases) such as HIV/AIDS will be slowed down, saving many lives.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking. Why did you assert that legal abortion causes people to be irresponsible? Know anything about contraceptives? Are you really that keen on displaying your ignorance?

	05-07-2002 18:48									#212
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka PERHAPS WE SHOULD JUST RIP THE CHILD OUT OF THE WOMB WHEN WATER BREAKS AND CURB STOMP IT OUT IN THE BACK ALLEY. AFTER ALL IF THE SLUT "I FORGOT/DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE MY BIRTH CONTROL" MOTHER DOESN'T HAVE ROOM FOR A CHILD IN HER LIFE SO BE IT. SHOULD WE REALLY BLAME HER FOR HAVING UNPROTECTED SEX AND 5 PREVIOUS ABORTIONS??? LET'S NOT MAKE A VICTIM OF A BIOLOGICAL NEED TO REPRODUCE THE VILLAIN HERE. GIVING IN TO HER INTENSE CRAVINGS FOR LOVE SPUNK BETWEEN THE LEGS IS MUCH LIKE A HANKERING FOR A CHOCOLATE BAR - WE ALL INDULGE NOW AND AGAIN TO ABORTIONS CHEERS!!!

nicely put.... You know, if you weren't a dude, I might be attracted to you ...

	05-07-2002 18:53									#213
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quote: Well, it's a good thing that this kind of sterilization started with you. It would be a crime for such a sicko to have the responsability to raise a child. In fact, it would be a crime for such a sicko to have ANY responsabilities at all.

You know, I don't insult you...

	05-07-2002 19:11									#214
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quote: Originally posted by Sixchan You know, I don't insult you...

I do.

And your nightmarish society is an insult to anything and anyone that has any little bit of humanity left.

	05-07-2002 19:18									#215
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You know, if done correctly, sixchan's society doesn't sound all that bad.

	05-07-2002 19:21									#216
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Insulting each other gets us nowhere. Why would you want to insult me? I might not agree with you, but I don't feel the need to call you names over it.

Thankyou, Sava.

	05-07-2002 19:21									#217
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil I do. And your nightmarish society is an insult to anything and anyone that has any little bit of humanity left.

Akka you should tell your Mom to give you another toy to play with. You don't seem to handle the communication capabilities of your computer very well.

	05-07-2002 19:25									#218
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quote: Originally posted by Sava You know, if done correctly, sixchan's society doesn't sound all that bad.

If done correctly, replacing all humans with regulated robots will make a society that works perfectly.

It's still something I don't really want to happen.

	05-07-2002 19:26									#219
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I'd rather have a robot society than the one we have now... at least robots are logical and are smart.

	05-07-2002 19:29									#220
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Did you ever read 'Brave New World', Akka? Aside from a few flaws, that society worked very well. They had the same system in place.

	05-07-2002 19:32									#221
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Well, I suppose that I've nothing to add after seeing what Sava said.
Oh yes, one thing : if you want to erase humanity and replace it with robots, I would just ask you to be the leader by example. Be the first to commit the ritual suicide, please.

	05-07-2002 19:33									#222
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Sixchan : I don't see the point of having a society working if it require to us to loose what make us human.

	05-07-2002 19:35									#223
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... I wouldn't replace all of humanity... I would create an aristocratic society where in order to vote, reproduce, etc, you need to prove you are responsible and smart enough. I wouldn't discriminate among belief, skin color, or ethnicity. It wouldn't be completely Communist, it would be a form of Socialism but still market driven to reward innovation, hard work, and success.

	05-07-2002 19:37									#224
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Sava's system sounds remarkably like mine!

quote: I don't see the point of having a society working if it require to us to loose what make us human.

Hasn't this thread taught you that the term 'human' has a debatable definition? I thought you were arguing that genetics makes us human, but not nessecarily 'a human'?

	05-07-2002 19:38									#225
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quote: Originally posted by Sava ... I wouldn't replace all of humanity... I would create an aristocratic society where in order to vote, reproduce, etc, you need to prove you are responsible and smart enough. I wouldn't discriminate among belief, skin color, or ethnicity. It wouldn't be completely Communist, it would be a form of Socialism but still market driven to reward innovation, hard work, and success.

Am I allowed to puke in disgust ?

	05-07-2002 19:41									#226
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quote: Originally posted by Sixchan Sava's system sounds remarkably like mine! Hasn't this thread taught you that the term 'human' has a debatable definition? I thought you were arguing that genetics makes us human, but not nessecarily 'a human'?

"human" has two meaning : biological and spiritual.
When someone is kind, you can say that he has "humanity". This was this meaning I was using.

	05-07-2002 19:45									#227
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quote: Originally posted by Sixchan I've always been one for mass sterilization, and artificial reproduction of humans, thus eliminating the abortion problem.

That's like attempting to cure a verrucca by chainsawing your legs off.

	05-07-2002 19:46									#228
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I can't find my manifesto, but luckily I typed it up on Gamecatcher, so here it is.

My system:
Create three classes. One for merchants, and workers both skilled and unskilled. Another for Millitay personell, including all oficers. A final one for academics. Children are placed into classes based on ability, i.e. quick learners go into the academic group. People are conditioned into believing the way things work is fine, thus people are happy. And, no-one would want a change to this, as a different class' purpose would be nothing one would want to do, and they would compliment each other.

With the smart people, who were also conditioned to work for the greater good at the helm, things will work much better, people will be happy, all will be fine, and Science can proceed unhindered in such a society.

Sex would be a purley casual thing, as the population would be sterilized, and reproduction performed artificially. This would help to keep people fufilled in their lives, while not having to worry much about social implications.

So who's worse, Sava, or me?

	05-07-2002 19:50									#229
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That's like being invited to choose between **** or sewage.

	05-07-2002 19:51									#230
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Sounds similar to mine sixchan ... only my class organization is a bit more complex and dynamic. Reproduction would be IV in my society. A couple applies to have a child, and they are approved or disapproved according to the way they live their lives.

	05-07-2002 19:54									#231
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That would be another possibility, although under my system children would be together as a group rather than individuals, so that any undesirable elements in the parents would not be passed on, and so if the child was moved to a different class, it would not be as hard on them and the parents.

	05-07-2002 19:54									#232
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Welcome to 1984.

	05-07-2002 19:56									#233
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No, welcome to 'Brave New World'. 1984 had one ruler as an authority, mine has a class of people to rule, like the Alpha++ in BNW.

	05-07-2002 19:59									#234
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Yup... my government would be an improvement of the US government with more desparity and checks and balances. The presidency would be split so that one person would be in charge of a particular aspect of the current job. If a tyrant did rise up past the extensive screening processes, he/she wouldn't be able to exert much power overall.

	05-07-2002 19:59									#235
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*sigh*

Welcome to a nightmarish society made by a sicko and considering any being as a robot. Wonder what's the use to even exist under such a twisted system.

The worst dictators are the one that want to force you to be happy against your own will.

	05-07-2002 20:00									#236
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Yup... my government would be an improvement of the US government with more desparity and checks and balances. The presidency would be split so that one person would be in charge of a particular aspect of the current job. If a tyrant did rise up past the extensive screening processes, he/she wouldn't be able to exert much power overall.

Why do you worry about a tyrant ?
Your society is already based on tyranny.

	05-07-2002 20:01									#237
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I wouldn't force people to be happy. My system would have more freedom than the US "democracy". I would just provide equal opprotunity. If you want to sit on your ass and scratch your balls all your life, you can. You just won't become very successful. And if you want to work hard, you can accumulate a modest amount of wealth.

	05-07-2002 20:02									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Akka le Vil You do you wonder about a tyrant ? Your society is already based on tyranny.

And how is that? Because I make people prove they are responsible in order to participate in government or have children? Stop jumping to conclusions and trolling. You know two things about my system, jack and sh!t... and jack left town (thank you Bruce Campbell!). If you have questions, feel free to ask me. But don't make statements that are false.

	05-07-2002 20:05									#239
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My system wouldn't force you to be happy either. You would be happy because you don't think that any other way of doing things would make you happier. If you don't know different, you don't want different.

	05-07-2002 20:05									#240
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I don't know what's worse Sava : your society, or the fact that you seem to really think it's good.