11-10-2002 20:28									#391
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quote: Originally posted by Tamerlin I don't know if I'am entitled to give any feedback to a guitar player as I'am not playing any instrument myself. Moreover, when I'am not listening a Jazz CD, the kind of rock music I favor is rather nervous and based on short repeated riffs, some call this kind of music Fusion and/or Neo-Metal (Tool, Limp Bizkit, Incubus, Infectious Groove and things like Suicidal Tendencies...). Whatever the case, your riff is good, even if it is not in the style I prefer, but I think you should play it just a bit faster to give him more nerve.

Yeah, there is also more I could do with the drums. I just put down a basic beat for now though. I like that heavy kind of music too.

quote: Will you still reply to my posts ?

Of course! Thanks for the comments.

	11-10-2002 20:33									#392
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quote: Originally posted by Bearcat I'm from the USA, yes, don't laugh I play U-19 rugby as a flanker, and I'll be in my second year this spring. Several of my schoolmates and I joined up with some other high school kids from other schools in our city to form a team. We had a 4-3 record and made the playoffs, which wasn't bad for a first year team. I sort of fell in love with the sport and couldn't get enough of it, and that's a little about me

Its great to see americans getting into the sport.

Do you get to watch rugby on TV much?

I feel like Ive had this conversation with another american on our rugby thread...was it you? Where in the US are you from?

	11-10-2002 20:56									#393
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quote: Originally posted by Havak I see Eales has started the propaganda war for the ARU already – “France and Boks are the threats” – “ABs and England will struggle”. Transparent nonsense?

Yes, what utter garbage. I dont know why he would even say that when its bound to fire up the ABs even more. Hopefully Australia will lose to England in November. Then Eales can shove his opinions up his arse.

	11-10-2002 21:46									#394
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A few pages ago, Tamerlin echoed the fact that in France it is as in England, that is every rugby supporter supports a club first, then the national team (which is above but after, if that makes sense). That is true in Southern and Southwestern France, where there are clubs to back. In Northern half, you usually only support the XV de France for lack of a good team nearby. But most northern supportesrs have a strong Toulousain accent anyway. And, well, there is the Stade Francais in Paris, but it is not the same thing... Speaking of which, pray for me, I will be playing the folklo ("old") Stade players on Thursday evening next week. For some reason, I think I might want to take the Friday off...

	12-10-2002 06:18									#395
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quote: Originally posted by Havak I mean I’m not denying it outright – but it is in no way connected to my opinions of the beautiful game.

Oh, sorry. It just seemed to me the two were travelling, um, hand in hand.

quote: You often accuse me of clutching at straws but if Jonno is the player you have fingered loitering I think you have deposed me on that one.

I saw h** a number of times - arms high in the air, that innocent look on h** face as if to say (insert title of this thread)!

quote: I see Eales has started the propaganda war for the ARU already – “France and Boks are the threats” – “ABs and England will struggle”. Transparent nonsense?

Stirring. Everyone's a threat at this stage. The England/South Africa pool is the fascinating one with all its possible ramifications.

quote: Don’t fake injuries – teach your flankers to illegally grab opposition ball.

Yes, a much more useful option.

quote: See Finbar – I can criticise my own.

I've had teeth extracted, too. Hurts, doesn't it?

	12-10-2002 06:40									#396
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quote: Originally posted by LDiCesare Speaking of which, pray for me, I will be playing the folklo ("old") Stade players on Thursday evening next week. For some reason, I think I might want to take the Friday off...

Our Father
Who art in Heaven
Please look after notre ami LDiCesares jeudi
Let him not be taken head-high
Let him spot the gaps before they appear
And lead him to step off the correct foot
If his pass is slightly forward
Smite the ref with blindness
If he enters from the side at the breakdown
Turn the pea in the ref's whistle into a pumpkin
If his scrum is wheeled through ninety degrees
Suspend the laws of geometry
If he's held up over the line
Raise the earth to meet him
If his penalty conversion is drifting to the right
Cause a mighty wind to blow from right to left
We ask this in the name of notre ami LDiCesares
Who, if you'd got it right the first time
Would be wearing le numéro dix pour Les Bleus!

Amen.

	12-10-2002 10:21									#397
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia Do you get to watch rugby on TV much?

Not really, considering most of the rugby over here is shown on Fox Sports World, and I don't have digital cable. I did see a couple of the Super 12 games last year though, including the Sharks vs. Crusaders, which the Sharks should have won IMO.

quote: I feel like Ive had this conversation with another american on our rugby thread...was it you? Where in the US are you from?

I'm from Oregon.

	12-10-2002 13:46									#398
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OMG!!!

Kiwis score a try after less than two minutes!!!

Go All Blacks!

MWIA should have taken his date to the rugby - I can't believe how many empty seats there are in the Cake Tin...

Oh, I remember - it's League!

	12-10-2002 19:52									#399
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Red card for MOBIUS!

Foxtel cable has just added ESPN to its sports channels. Scummy in the extreme it is too. Except, the other day, flicking through the channels, I found ESPN showing Argentinan club rugby!

Now I've got NPC matches, Currie Cup matches and Argentinian club matches. All I'm missing is ...

	13-10-2002 05:49									#400
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The fastest red card on the history of this thread, congratulations Mobius, next time Figure Skating...

Amen

	14-10-2002 04:47									#401
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Heineken Cup results of interest to the thread:

Toulouse 28 d London Irish 23
Neath 16 drew with Leicester 16
Gloucester 35 d Munster 16

And Leicester, it seems, are fishing in the L***** pond.

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	14-10-2002 06:44									#402
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The victory of the Stade Toulousain has not been an easy one, the London Irish team has actually played better than the "Stade", the London Irish players displayed a very classical game, a solid one with few handling errors. They have lacked some imagination during one or two attacks which would have led them to victory.

For the Stade Toulousain this game is a Pyrrhus Victory as four players have been injured, the London Irish game was tough (a great physical challenge), two of them are second rowers (Gérard and Bouilhou) out for a few weeks.

I fear the 2002-2003 european campaign of the Stade Toulousain will be as short as last year's one.

	14-10-2002 12:04									#403
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS OMG!!! Kiwis score a try after less than two minutes!!! Go All Blacks! Oh, I remember - it's League!

An Australian RL fan I work with tried using the final result to get my goat, so to speak.

I could only gaze upon said unfortunate chap in amazement at the implicatation that I might actually care one way or the other.

quote: The fastest red card on the history of this thread, congratulations Mobius, next time Figure Skating...

That's nothing. You just try carrying Havaks empties for a bit. Gives totally new meaning to the phrase " the weight of the world on ones shoulders".

Incidentally, do I get a card for (Don't say yes just on principle finbar ) bringing up the Americas cup?
Its looking as though it could turn into a pretty good contest at the moment - assuming they eventually manage to get any sailing in mind you. 45 knot winds! Ouch.

	14-10-2002 13:11									#404
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quote: I don’t know why he would even say that when its bound to fire up the ABs even more

At the risk of upsetting Finbar even more it seems the Wallabies are incapable of simply playing the game and have to build up with all sorts of nonsense, stirring and mind-screws. Sure all teams do it but not on quite the same scale perhaps?

quote: Oh, sorry. It just seemed to me the two were travelling, um, hand in hand.

Quite independent as it happens.

So you don’t believe Aussie coaches use the “fall to the floor” ploy then? That would be an interesting point to defend as I watched Glaws-Munster Saturday and, in a desperate attempt to disrupt a vastly superior side Munster players were going down left, right and centre! I remind you – Alan Gaffney coaches them now.

quote: I saw h** a number of times - arms high in the air, that innocent look on h** face

Would you like my help in recognising him next time? You are clearly confusing him with (insert any Wallaby name here).

I suspect our friend the L***** player is just leveraging his next contract – unless he can play Stand off in which case we will have him!

And for once Healey is quite right – the referee Friday was truly atrocious with some of the penalties defying belief. The one in question from the quote was a defensive ruck for Tigers where a Neath player was lying on the wrong side. Tournaire uses his boot to encourage the guy to move and *bang* penalty for ‘stamping’ and a totally undeserved draw for the Welsh. Also it has to be Carte Blanche to lie on the wrong side with this ref in future.

And the ref in question – well his shoulder has healed nicely – yes indeed it was one David ‘pedant’ McHugh.

I was amazed The Exiles pushed Stade Toulousain so close – their domestic form has been very poor. Sadly Tamerlin may be right and the French challenge will come from elsewhere.

On that note Sale are very unhappy about the ref imposing uncontested scrums for 20 mins when their French opponents lost a front row through injury. Apparently one of the lads on the Bourgoin bench had front row experience though the coach denied it – a nasty little ‘diplomatic’ incident is brewing.

quote: You just try carrying Havaks empties for a bit. Gives totally new meaning to the phrase “the weight of the world on ones shoulders”

Is this an offer to carry them?

	14-10-2002 15:48									#405
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Hey! You forgot the most interesting HCup info!
First:
Biarriz bet Cardiff (26-15, but actually to a pulp).
The BO was vastly superior to the Welsh in the front row, but didn't manage to score for a long while. Only when Stcherbina came to play did they manage to score tries. Cardiff was quite uninspired, and I am happy I wasn't their tight prop.

Second:
Very bad news...
The French TV says (in the Midi Olympique) they will no longer show the European Cup. This is because the French clubs and spectators aren't interested enough. This in turn would mean Heineken would withdraw from the cup, which doesn't bode well for its future. They are giving hints that a more concise cup, more concentrated in time and with less teams, might be more appealing to the average telespectator. As far as the clubs are concerned, they feel that the level of the cup is not higher than the French championship, that is italian, scot and, to some extent, welsh teams, are not really worth meeting at that level.
This is one more bad news for French clubs, as Canal+ is giving them less money too. Generally, the audience for clubs is too small to warrant TV rights or even to be shown on TV. Only the XV de France seems to be able to attract spectators (and even then, the VI nations is almost reduced to France vs England now, though the Irish really deserve watching). That and the final of the French championship.

	14-10-2002 16:30									#406
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Tournaire uses his boot to encourage the guy to move and *bang* penalty for ‘stamping’...

Franck Tournaire is a good player but he is also important to the score of the opposite team. I told it to you before...

quote: I was amazed The Exiles pushed Stade Toulousain so close – their domestic form has been very poor. Sadly Tamerlin may be right and the French challenge will come from elsewhere.

This confirms what I think of the English teams, the overall quality of the game is better in England than in France because of a championship promoting a better level of play. The only thing which can save us, french team, is that the english game is more classical than ours (that which is not a critic as many french teams should remember what this game is all about and learn from our english friends) and is sometimes lacking some imagination. On the other hand the english teams are far better than us where the fundamentals are concerned.

	14-10-2002 16:39									#407
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quote: Originally posted by LDiCesare Hey! You forgot the most interesting HCup info! First: Biarriz bet Cardiff (26-15, but actually to a pulp). The BO was vastly superior to the Welsh in the front row, but didn't manage to score for a long while.

As last year's H-Cup, the BO dominated with their front rows but proved unable to score with their 3/4th. I hope this is only temporary.

quote: Second: Very bad news...

Very sad news for the french rugby, without TV rights there is much less money which means lower quality teams.

	14-10-2002 16:47									#408
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So what's a red card then on this thread?

Obviously I deserve one through my ignorance, but one has to start somewhere...

	14-10-2002 17:19									#409
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quote: Biarriz bet Cardiff (26-15, but actually to a pulp).

My apologies. I at least should have mentioned this as it’s very significant. Cardiff had never lost a European cup game at home until Saturday Of course they lost the 96 final to Tamerlin’s boys in the National stadium which was perhaps a 100 metres away from their own ground – but technically that wasn’t a ‘home’ loss any more than Stade Francais losing last years final. Congratulations to BO.

Very bad news about the TV. Strangely the cup is drawing excellent audiences here on the BBC whilst the Premiership on Sky is struggling - IMO because they don’t show Tigers often enough.

quote: Franck Tournaire is a good player but he is also important to the score of the opposite team. I told it to you before...

You did indeed – and I’m seeing plenty of first hand evidence now too.

The English sides can be pragmatic, dour and even boring at times I agree. Things are improving however. We can lack ‘flair’ and ‘imagination’ as well, both things you can see from most French sides. As a general rule though, as I have said before, build a team from English forwards and French backs and they’ll take all comers.

	14-10-2002 17:54									#410
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quote: Originally posted by Havak At the risk of upsetting Finbar even more it seems the Wallabies are incapable of simply playing the game and have to build up with all sorts of nonsense, stirring and mind-screws. Sure all teams do it but not on quite the same scale perhaps?

I rather think the Boks coach has taken over the mantle these days.

quote: So you don’t believe Aussie coaches use the “fall to the floor” ploy then?

Everyone does it.

quote: I suspect our friend the L***** player is just leveraging his next contract – unless he can play Stand off in which case we will have him!

So that report's a beat up? It suggests Leicester is keen.

quote: And for once Healey is quite right –

Will he get into bother for it? It was less offensive than Mehrtens' outburst but still publicly critical of a ref.

quote: Tournaire uses his boot to encourage the guy to move and *bang* penalty for ‘stamping’ and a totally undeserved draw for the Welsh.

Uses his boot to encourage the guy to move? What exactly did he do?

	14-10-2002 18:06									#411
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quote: Originally posted by MOBIUS So what's a red card then on this thread?

Where do we begin? Actually, the rules are flexible - meaning we vary them at our whim. Originally the rules were roughly as follows:

1. Any post exhibiting intelligence warrants a yellow card.
2. Any post exhibiting wit warrants a yellow card
3. Any post exhibiting intelligence and wit warrants being tied to a chair and forced to watch a L***** match.
4. Persistent offenders are tied to a pool deck and forced to watch synchronised swimming.

Along the way, it was also decided that any mention of the L***** word also warranted a red card. Oh, and anyone who lived in any region that was predominantly L***** oriented had to move somewhere else before they could post.

Get the drift?

	14-10-2002 19:00									#412
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quote: I rather think the Boks coach has taken over the mantle these days.

He was quite interesting during the tri-nations wasn’t he?

quote: Everyone does it.

In certain tactical situations of course they do. But the incidence is noticeably higher with your guys, at least from my perspective of seeing players go down and stay down As I say it is a fairly easy way to spot Aussie coached teams in European competitions.

quote: It suggests Leicester is keen.

It means very little until you get a direct quote to that effect from Wheeler or Richards to be honest. We get linked with loads of players. Wilkinson during the summer for example and that didn’t exactly prove reliable (though I wish it had!).

quote: Will he get into bother for it? It was less offensive than Mehrtens' outburst but still publicly critical of a ref.

Interesting isn’t it? When you look at the wording all it says is “I don’t like criticising refs” and “I didn’t enjoy the last penalty decision”. Could be hard to get him on that as it isn’t truly ‘personal’?

Time will tell.

He deserves letting off to be honest as his try was an opportunistic cracker under the posts – a double “show and go” job.

quote: Uses his boot to encourage the guy to move? What exactly did he do?

He brought his boot down vertically twice on the offending players thigh from what I could see. The second ‘rake’ made it ‘excessive’. Most refs would have let it go as “you get what you deserve” – their player should not have been there and knew exactly what he was doing – and crucially it worked. Personally I felt he was just trying to ruck the offending player out of the way. I’m not biased.

	14-10-2002 19:13									#413
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quote: Originally posted by Bearcat Not really, considering most of the rugby over here is shown on Fox Sports World, and I don't have digital cable. I did see a couple of the Super 12 games last year though, including the Sharks vs. Crusaders, which the Sharks should have won IMO.

There was a super 12 last year? I seem to have blocked it from my memory for some reason...

If you get a chance, try and see the upcoming games against England in November.

	14-10-2002 19:17									#414
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quote: Originally posted by Havak Interesting isn’t it? When you look at the wording all it says is “I don’t like criticising refs” and “I didn’t enjoy the last penalty decision”. Could be hard to get him on that as it isn’t truly ‘personal’?

I thought he had already been fined. From those quotes you provided I dont think he really deserves to be.

	15-10-2002 04:44									#415
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quote: Originally posted by Havak He was quite interesting during the tri-nations wasn’t he?

Colourful, to say the least.

quote: In certain tactical situations of course they do. But the incidence is noticeably higher with your guys, at least from my perspective of seeing players go down and stay down As I say it is a fairly easy way to spot Aussie coached teams in European competitions.

If you're using the same brand of logic that says if a team constantly flubs a 3-man overlap situation then it must be coached by an Englishman, you're probably right.

quote: Interesting isn’t it? When you look at the wording all it says is “I don’t like criticising refs” and “I didn’t enjoy the last penalty decision”. Could be hard to get him on that as it isn’t truly ‘personal’?

Your interpretation is benign in the extreme.

quote: He brought his boot down vertically twice on the offending players thigh from what I could see. The second ‘rake’ made it ‘excessive’. Most refs would have let it go as “you get what you deserve” – their player should not have been there and knew exactly what he was doing – and crucially it worked. Personally I felt he was just trying to ruck the offending player out of the way. I’m not biased.

You can't attack (and I use the word in the technical sense) another player with the boot. It was obviously a penalty.

	15-10-2002 04:47									#416
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Hey Cal - the post count is getting up. We're going to have to start casting around for another thread title.

How about - ?

Rugby - Havak Potter & The Emperor's New Clothes

	15-10-2002 05:12									#417
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Wow, I didnt realize we were up there already.

How about this for a thread title.

Rugby - Havak Potter & Finbar's new clothes



You guys should get at least one thread title in recognition of your contributions here.

	15-10-2002 05:39									#418
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How about -

Rugby - Havak & finbar: the Axis of Evil

	15-10-2002 05:44									#419
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Whatever you guys want.

	15-10-2002 07:12									#420
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Rugby - Havak & Finbar : Commonwealth Wars