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Tamerlin
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Apr 2002
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Originally posted by finbar
You are the first recipient of this thread's Golden Penalty Try, awarded for an outstanding piece of die-hard patriotic posting. |
I would like to thank my mother without whom I wouldn't be there to hold this price. 
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I almost felt as though I was there at the ground with you.  |
I would have preferred to share a great moment of rugby instead of a most frustrating one but I guess we have all lived a game like that. 
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Why is that? Less sponsorship? Less support from the French Union? |
The French Union is managing the national team, the championship and the clubs are mainly managed by the League which is managing the TV rights redistributed to the clubs.
In France, clubs are not owned by companies or multi-millionaires and competitions are not sponsored by a TV network sending images all around the world. The Stade Toulousain, for example, is a company playing in a Stadium owned by an association called "Les amis du Stade" which was created by rich "Toulousains" at the beginning of the previous century to build a stadium for the club. Today, the clubs are financed by private investors (Peugeot and others for the Stade Toulousain, the NRJ radio network for the Stade Français, Fabres Laboratories for the Castres Olympique...), Local Public Administration (the town of Toulouse, the Regional and District Counsels) though the part coming from them tends to diminish, the ticket sales (marginal) and the TV rights which are becoming more and more important.
The main problem for a french television network is that the vast majority of the Rugby nations are english speaking which is becoming a great barrier when you want to promote our championship to english speaking consumers. The vast majority of french speaking countries (including to some extent France) are playing S***** and are not interested in Rugby broadcastings. TV rights are generated by smaller TV network adapted to a french speaking audience, smaller network means fewer credits... 
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:22
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Originally posted by Tamerlin
I would like to thank my mother without whom I wouldn't be there to hold this price. |
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The main problem for a french television network is that the vast majority of the Rugby nations are english speaking which is becoming a great barrier when you want to promote our championship to english speaking consumers. The vast majority of french speaking countries (including to some extent France) are playing S***** and are not interested in Rugby broadcastings. TV rights are generated by smaller TV network adapted to a french speaking audience, smaller network means fewer credits... |
That's interesting. I hadn't considered the language problem, particularly related to the popularity of S*****. As you say, the smaller the network, the less return.
We're lucky in this country with S*****. It's played by a whole lot of people, which isn't surprising given the number of foreign-born people here. (There's a myth going around that it's the most played sport in the country but I think women's netball holds that honour) Anyway, luckily, the Australian S***** Union (or whatever they're called) are completely and utterly incompetent. They're currently close to insolvent. They recently played a tournament in New Zealand which was a qualifier for another very rich tournament. The Union was so bankrupt that none of the players were paid beyond expenses. One foreign-based player had to pay his own way back to play. Naturally, they lost.
Thus, while S***** here would have more participants than rugby, it has none of the profile that generates income.
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Havak
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Swing Low, Sweet Chariots.
Aug 1999
time: 05:22
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It's ongoing from the Wallaby-AB days. Based on huge mutual respect. |
Where was the smiley indicating sarcasm?
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Every time (and really every time) the referee whistled whatever the reason for, Munster's healers invaded the field to bring water or anything else to the players thus interrupting the flow of the game |
Tamerlin – you’ve hit an interesting point as they had an Australian coach. Watch Australia and you will see this every single time – every breakdown = faked injury and muppets on the field. Bath under Foley have started doing it and get mercilessly barracked for it (and rightly so). You see it is used for a number of things – breaking the opponent’s rhythm and illegal in game coaching instructions being perhaps the two most important things. The acid test is that all these bodies falling around dying are able to take heavy contact in the very next play. It’s adequate proof these ‘injuries’ are being faked for anyone who has played in the pack. If you are sufficiently hurt you need to stay on your back for two minutes you will die if you try to scrum again the minute you get up – trust me.
The other amusing thing is the way the players rotate faking duty so the ref doesn’t insist one player leave the field after several. Keep you eyes on the autumn games – Jones is a big an exponent of this as McQueen was. I doubt Finbar even sees it as a problem to be honest? If I were feeling polite I would call it being utterly Professional. If I weren’t feeling polite I would call it cheating. Either way it’s an identifiably Australian trait.
I have to say I was amused by the idea of the referee allowing trainers onto the field. The SH killed this off years ago. Any ref who tried to enforce this in the tri-nations now would receive an absolute vitriolic complaint from the Unions. The referee policing the field of play – what a shocking idea! What do you think this is – Rugby Union or something (sarcasm).
I think Jones idea of layered reward for progress in Europe might help, and maybe if qualification for the next year was based on European performance not the French League. We need strong French showings in the European cup to stop it becoming a British Isles cup so we do need to sort this out.
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I almost felt as though I was there at the ground with you |
And I personally will be very interested if you try to defend my allegation as I think it’s one of the hardest things to deny about the Wallabies. 
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Why is that? Less sponsorship? Less support from the French Union? |
I can help here in addition to tamerlin’s explanation. It’s both. Our club ‘wealth’ is artificial, it’s based on distribution of sponsorship, TV money by the RFU and ‘sugar daddies’ (some £2 million a year per premiership club from the RFU) and that is now mainly based on a tasty autumn fixture list. It’s a house of cards in some ways so it’s very important you keep losing to us okay guys? Without this subsidy only my club of the top 12 would be (just) solvent.
Could I also remind everyone that my club is still a members club – fully owned by us. Off the top of my head we are the only top flight club still in that position – certainly I know Sale, Bristol, Gloucester, Saracens, Northampton and Newcastle have sugar daddy ‘owners’ and I’m fairly certain the rest do too.
Dad’s army? That’s dads army is perhaps the most effective pack in the world, the hooker is 24 and the tighthead 26. The non-Jonno second rows 26 and 30, one of the flankers 23. And this is your best journo?
Okay okay I’ve got the devil in me this morning. I know
he means the likes of Leonard (33), Rowntree (31) and Backy (34). Write Backy off at you peril however.
And if they select me? God help us.
There are red cards hovering if s***** gets mentioned again gentlemen.
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:22
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Originally posted by Havak
I though Bob hated Laurie personally? |
Hatred might well be involved, but the fact remains that Bob truly respects Laurie's coaching. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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Not in my observation. If it happens when a set piece has been blown for what can the ref do? |
You should watch some more SH rugby. Obviously it's a judgement call on the ref's part, but this season they were often getting on with the game even from set pieces. The ref would tell the player the game is going on and get on with setting the scrum or whatever. There was obviously some sort of edict from upon high.
Frankly, I have a bigger problem with players "loitering", a deliberate attempt to interfere illegally with the play. It, too, has been around forever but the ABs in general - and Sean Fitzpatrick in particular - mastered the art in the 90s. Good grief, the Lions were pretty adept at it last time, too.
Let he who is without sinbin cast the first abalone!
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Also - Mick Galway, because of injury, has come out of retirement to play for Munster at Kingsholm on Saturday. A good lad is Mick. |
Mick Galway. You'd have to pick him for Munster on his name alone.
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finbar
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Castiglion Fiorentino, Italy
Jan 1970
time: 06:22
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Originally posted by Bearcat
I'm from the USA, yes, don't laugh I play U-19 rugby as a flanker, and I'll be in my second year this spring. Several of my schoolmates and I joined up with some other high school kids from other schools in our city to form a team. We had a 4-3 record and made the playoffs, which wasn't bad for a first year team.
I sort of fell in love with the sport and couldn't get enough of it, and that's a little about me |
We immediately withdraw everything we've thought and said about Americans not having the concentration span to enjoy rugby.
Well, okay, we definitely withdraw it in terms of you, your mates and your competition, anyway.
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09-10-2002 17:54
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)were staying on the ground and healers once again rushed on the field without waiting for the referee to call them in order to interrupt the game a few minutes especially when the Stade was playing within their 22. I remember this game as one of the most irritating I have ever seen. Because the Stade Toulousain has been unable to play at a good level, the Munster desserved to win this game but the quality of the game would have been dramatically improved without the ridiculous behavior of Munster's staff and the pitiful performance of the referee which proved himself unable to give even a semblance of order to this game. As you can see, I'am still a bit angry when I remember this game because of the poor Stade Toulousain's performance and because the game of Rugby is depreciated each time a team is relying on outside elements to win a game and is allowed to do so because of an unskilled referee. 
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