26-10-2003 20:08									#841
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An agreement is being negotiated as we speak.

	27-10-2003 11:40									#842
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Straybow
I am on line.
Could you please send me the IP number?

	27-10-2003 11:40									#843
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Your PM box is full! 63.184.233.135

	27-10-2003 11:46									#844
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Sorry for my PM box.
I have just tried your IP number , but there is a problem with the connection. I try again now.

	27-10-2003 11:47									#845
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Errr, what now?

* Straybow feels nooobish

	27-10-2003 11:52									#846
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I suggest that we try the other xay round: you post your save to Apolyton; I become the host and you try to join me.

	27-10-2003 11:55									#847
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Subject to amendment as soon as we do this exchange

[edit: remove out-of-date file]

Last edited by Straybow on 27-10-2003 at 23:44

	27-10-2003 12:06									#848
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Stray
I guess there is a problem with my connection. I give up. Good night

	27-10-2003 12:08									#849
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OK, we'll try again when your turn comes around.

	27-10-2003 12:14									#850
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Slowthinker, I'm awaiting a reply from germanos. But if by 2:00 pm 'Poly time neither he nor I indicate an exchange is to be made the save is yours.

* Straybow doublechecks memory that he [Ctrl][n]ed

	27-10-2003 16:35									#851
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Strawboy:

I got your PM. I'm a little confused now about the time you metioned: 2 pm Polytime. Was that yesterday (sunday) or is it today (monday)?

As I post this, it's 6:30 Polytime (monday), so I guess you would want your money within the next seven-and-a-half hours?

Check also your PM box.

	27-10-2003 17:15									#852
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Ok, I've done my best to figure out the timezone's a bit:

As far as I can determine, Straybow posted at 2 a.m Polytime (sundaynight). (which was 1 a.m. local time for him)
So: Straw hopes he and I can exchange the refund (for the money I looted from Tarsus) today, before 2 p.m. Polytime.

I'm home now, and I will log on to Poly every full hour.

[edit] Strawboy =Straybow
I must be getting dyslectic

What is a straybow? or does it not have a meaning? [/edit]

Last edited by germanos on 27-10-2003 at 17:26

	27-10-2003 18:53									#853
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quote: Originally posted by La Fayette I suggest that we try the other xay round: you post your save to Apolyton; I become the host and you try to join me.

What do you try to do?

As far I understand, La Fayette will take the Hittite save of 3070, open the game, so Babylon, Assyria, Egypt ... (up to Minoan civ) will be played by AI, then La Fayette will get control of his empire in 3070...

AFAIK the system of Civ2 MP, the host must be the player whose turn runs, and exchanges must be done in that turn, and the game must be saved (i.e. MP session must be finished) in that turn.
(a possible exception: there is no other player between trading players - for example Babylon and Assyria could start a MP session in Bab turn (Bab must be the host) and finish in Assyria turn)

	27-10-2003 21:51									#854
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Oh? I suppose that if La Fayette had loaded my save and not clicked on the panel or hit enter it wouldn't have done the intervening players as AI. Then the only things that would change would be our exchanges of money, tech, or whatever. La Fayette could save and post the file. Yes? No?

Earlier when I was trying to get used to this PBEM thing I loaded in a non-hittite save and nothing happened. I didn't get the "It it your turn to move your units" message until I clicked on the panel. Then the AI played the intervening player(s).

Anyway, on my try I waited as host, got La Fayette logging in to play, then couldn't contact him once I loaded the game. We don't know what went wrong.

The situation was also complicated by lack of off-channel chat. The ancient version of ICQ that I found in a dusty corner wouldn't log in. I'm going to try something else to make contact easier.

germanos and I will do a swap around 1300 'Poly time (which is EST as am I), assuming the kinks can be worked out. If La Fayette is around he can try again, too.

PS: Straybow is a play on words: Strabo is an ancient Greek historian.
A "stray bow" would be a less dangerous version of a loose cannon.

	27-10-2003 22:07									#855
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Straybow:

I'll be here in hour. Thanks for the clarification on the timezone, I understand now.

I assume you will host.

It is important you wait untill I have connected before you actually launch the game.

What is the folder in which you have stored the scenario and the .net games? I have it as SoGPBEM, so I'll probably have to rename it.

See you in an hour, germanos.

NB: you might want to add me to your ICQ list. Use the link for that here on Poly, or send a message to 10445635

	27-10-2003 22:22									#856
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My old ICQ 0.99a couldn't log in. The current version of ICQ doesn't support my ancient Win95. I have installed Trillian and hopefully can use my old ICQ 39061258.

	27-10-2003 23:03									#857
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Looks like my ICQ id is "DonW"
Game is at 63.189.136.147

	27-10-2003 23:16									#858
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow Anyway, on my try I waited as host, got La Fayette logging in to play, then couldn't contact him once I loaded the game. We don't know what went wrong.

germanos explained it: the host has to wait on the 'waiting for players' window until other player connects.

quote: Oh? I suppose that if La Fayette had loaded my save and not clicked on the panel or hit enter it wouldn't have done the intervening players as AI. Then the only things that would change would be our exchanges of money, tech, or whatever. La Fayette could save and post the file. Yes? No?

If he loads the Hittite save as a SP game ('Load Game' in the main window), then nothing happens, the game stays in Hittite turn (until La Fayette hits enter), La Fayette is an observer.
But this is not true in multiplayer mode ('Multiplayer Game' in the main window). In MP mode always load only your own saves or saves of your predecessor, otherwise you can obtain some unwanted info: imagine somebody has units near your city prepared to attack and AI will move them and reveal them to you.

	27-10-2003 23:31									#859
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technical problems navigated successfully

Here ya go, Slowthinker!

Attachment: hittites_b3070.net
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).

	27-10-2003 23:38									#860
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quote: germanos explained it: the host has to wait on the 'waiting for players' window until other player connects.

Yes, I did wait, but I still didn't do it right.

There are 3 buttons: reject player, start game, cancel. It was not obvious that I have to click on the highlighted player to accept him, it looked like "start game" would accept any non-rejected players on the list.

If everybody else is using SoGPBEM folder name, I'll change mine and any other changes to conform. My folder is in the CivMGE folder, not in a generic Scenarios folder.

	27-10-2003 23:41									#861
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Assyria is happy to announce that the cease-fire agreement has been made official. Looted gold from Tarsus has been returned to Hatta.

Assyria announces that an agreement has been reached with the Hatte King, blessed be his kin, in regard to the disputed border near Ishkandaroun.
Let it be known to all empires that the river Seyhan marks the spheres of Assyria and Hatta, wheras the river itself lies well in Assyrian territory, but the northern and western shores are the blessed lands of Hatta.
Eastwards, no demarcations of borders have been made, nor has either empire laid claims on lands in that region.

Once Assyria will have transfered a group of slaves to Hatta, a full peace-treaty will be signed.
It is expected to take up to 3010 BC before slaves will have completed the long journey north.

	27-10-2003 23:44									#862
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No, I think it is just me with that folder name, and also ST has the folder directly in his Civ dir, not a in a 'scenario' subdir. I think I will leave things as they are, and keep the AE-3500P folder were it is, and named as it is now

	27-10-2003 23:56									#863
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I may rename mine anyway because I also d/l ver 1.1 single player to play the early centuries and get used to the tech tree and all that. Having both AE-3500P and AE-3500B folders is a little confusing.

Any comments from the peanut gallery?

	28-10-2003 04:30									#864
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The insurgents were killed between Ecbatana and Babylon. Unfortunately I had bad luck in battles - I lost 3 units.

Attachment: bab_b3070.net
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	28-10-2003 04:41									#865
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What is the peanut gallery?

	28-10-2003 05:10									#866
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I suppose that the peanut gallery is where I am walking until I manage to contact Straybow again

	28-10-2003 06:27									#867
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* Sparrowhawk is a member of the peanut gallery, an interested observer that has no part of the game, yet still offers opinions (and criticisms if necessary ), or just meaningless banter that no one else understands or needs to hear, maybe rambling on in one long sentence.....

	28-10-2003 10:20									#868
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Germanos was wondering if the initial failure was due to not having the scenario folder with the same name and in the same relative position to the MGE folder…

He changed his just in case that was necessary. How else would his MGE know what graphics and .txt files to use?

	28-10-2003 14:00									#869
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It IS necessarry to have the rules.txt in the same folder as the host, and the path has to be identical too.

Interestingly enough, not all has to be the same, as Staybow and me had the following configuration during our MP session:
Straybow: C:\games\civMGE\AE-3500p
germanos: f:\mps\civ2\ae-3500p

At first I had my SoG folder in a scenario sub-dir, and the I failed to connect to Straybow. It is very helpfull though that Civ2 gives you the path for the host, so we figured it out soon enough.

What is important is that the host double-clicks on the connecting player, but Straybow should be able to tell more about that.

	28-10-2003 18:48									#870
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Bring in prisoner Schtraybow, Unterubergruppenfuhrer!
* Straybow : Hah, you'll get nothing from me!
Ve haff vays of making you talk, prisoner! Ve know zat you are zis "DonW" who met mit ze suspect "germanos."
Replay ze log, Unterubergruppenfuhrer.

quote: excerpt from ICQ log Germanos: i'm renaming my game folder, hold on a sec DonW: Maybe that was the prob with me and La Fayette Germanos: That could have been the problem DonW: I assume you also have to have the save I'm using— hitties_3070.net 1:50am 27 Oct —should be the one on pg 34 DonW: I'm still getting "We have not yet made contact with other human civs" Germanos: No, the save doesn't matter. Yeah, something is still wrong. Do you have it in a scenario subdirectory, or just plain in Civ2 folder? DonW: c:\games\civMGE\AE-3500P DonW: with all basic games files in civMGE folder Germanos: I'm in DonW: Ah, "A new player is being transmitted the game state" Germanos: Good, all seems to be OK then. DonW: Transfer appears complete DonW: Still no kings chat Germanos: Did you launch the game before I joined? You must wait to actually start the game until AFTER I joined the game, otherwise the program will not regognize me until its my turn. DonW: Yes, I waited until "Germanos" came up on the player list, then started. Do I have to click on the player or something? Germanos: Yes, You have to click on me to accept me, I suppose. I've always been on the receiving end, sorry. DonW: I shall quit, and we try again Germanos: Fine DonW: Ready DonW: OK, click on Germanos… yes, Assyrians greyed out! Germanos: I have joined

Und at zis point we haff no record of vat vas said. Since you vill not tell us…
Unterubergruppenfuhrer, prepare ze headphones, und shall ve use der *NSynch zis time, herr Schtraybow?
* Straybow : Noooooooo!