13-09-2003 12:21									#751
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quote: Originally posted by tanelorn I don't get the first point, I thought everyone played on a black map????

I haven't played anything in SP, so I have no idea of the map at all, exept for what I explore in this game.

	14-09-2003 04:27									#752
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I don't want to hold up the thread, so, Harharu, are you in for direct negotiations? I'll send you my proposal for a boderline and pledge to withdraw frontline units from beyond that line, as soon as you reply.
This is a good way to restore some measure of communication between us.

	14-09-2003 11:25									#753
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An emissary from Assyria has been send with a PM to Hattusas.

The PM contains exerpts from the document that was send to Memphis earlier.

We have not received anything from the Hatte yet.

	14-09-2003 15:04									#754
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I'll be back this evening.

	15-09-2003 01:35									#755
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A royal Hittite message was sent to Nineveh, via the new pigeon service (e-mail). Did you get it?

Come to think of it, is there a chance that the barbarians haven't shown up yet because someone uses different scenario files, either SOG or AE PBM instead of AE barbarian wrath, by mistake?

Where are the bloody barbarians?

"...Now what's going to happen to us without barbarians?
Those people were a kind of solution."

Costantine Kavafy, "Waiting for the barbarians"

	15-09-2003 02:00									#756
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I use SoG scenario

	15-09-2003 02:15									#757
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Thanks for the warning, the files get stuck at my provider So have all mails you have send me with an attachment Tanelorn

It looks like an agreement will be possible.


On the Wrath issue:

Kull tested it, so I think there is no issue regarding the files. However, I think it is only YOU who should be sure to use the right set, as the event is triggered at the hittite turn, I think.
But probably it is embedded into the savegame we play, so you can't get away from it, even if you wished . But Kull should know all the ins and outs.

	15-09-2003 02:57									#758
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This is for the Hatte only:

[edit]revised map[/edit]
[edit2]removed attachment after one download[/edit2]

Last edited by germanos on 16-09-2003 at 03:09

	15-09-2003 23:48									#759
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I think what Paul meant is that messages are visible in my turn, because my turn is just after the AI (barbarian) turn and I'm first in line. However, I am almost certain that events are loaded with each save, and are in effect, just like rules or graphics. As for the Barb spawning, it is supposed to happen just before my turn (I am player 1, L.F. is player 7 and spawning happens during player 8's term, who is the AI)
So, its an issue of sequence.
However, Barbs did not appear back in Diegoami's time.

Moreover, barb spawning is not controled by the events txt, but is impeded in the .sav . I bet that by using CivTweak I can check if the flag is on!
I'll be back in a sec, with the answer.

	16-09-2003 00:17									#760
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As you might know, CivTweak doesn't read .net files, only.scn and .sav
I checked my .scn file first and it says "raging hordes" which is ok.

Then, I made some of the .net files I had into .sav (forgive me, I deleted them afterwards) so as to be readable by CivTweak:

The program reads the first two sets of fields and then crashes. I don't know if this is normal, I havent tried CivTweak on a.net before

The settings it reads all correspond to the settings expected (bloodlust etc.) however, at the field in question it reads "King" and "Vilages only" instead of raging hordes. I have so for checked Hittite, Minoan, Assyrian and Greek turns. They all come out the same, barbarians will never appear!
I'll go check the original file, I suspect it has stemmed from that one (the only logical explanation I can think of)

	16-09-2003 01:30									#761
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In my hexeditor I see 03 04 for difficulty and barb settings in all .net and .sav files. 03 stands for King, 04 Raging hordes.

Paul has spoken about little barbs in our game, but with my weak english I had problems to understand.

I guess it is King that spoils Raging hordes...

	16-09-2003 02:17									#762
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Civ Tweak shows Prince and Raging hordes in the original file by Diegoami (the program doesn't crash), and it shows King and vilages after the mp session (file Hitb3950.net). The program crashes with this file. It shouldn't. Although it's perfectly understandable that we might get fewer barbs with these settings (King and Raging Hordes) I guess the second file is corrupt and we won't see any.
Why does only the second file crash CivTweak? There must be something wrong with it.

Forgive me, Germanos. I just had to do this first.
Besides, I had a very important phonecall in the meantime.
Check your PMs, I am sending a pigeon to Nineveh.

	16-09-2003 02:23									#763
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Checked again, my .scn says Diety ( ) Barbarian Wrath, not Raging hordes.
Paul, any ideas?

	16-09-2003 13:13									#764
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Assyria declares a cease-fire.
The militairy campaign against the Hatte will be halted for at least one turn.

This will allow for negotiations to continue, while possibly the world can continue turning.
Sources in Nineveh say good progress has been made in the last week, but that the last couple of days the process of establishing the various borders has been stalling over the issue whether or not there will be a neutral zone between the two nations.

	17-09-2003 00:16									#765
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Sadly, something has come up and I have to quit the PBEMS I am in. I cannot commit myself to attending any at this point, and for the next two months at least, starting tomorrow. I'll be at the scenario league forum from time to time, as well as checking this thread, so it's not like I quit Apoly or anything. I wish my successor the best of luck. Its been really nice playing with you, maybe we can try again some other time.

	17-09-2003 02:01									#766
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My last turn as the Hittites: Promisses held to my allies, check your science count. The AI closed the diplomacy window before the last piece could be transferred, Minos, sorry. I hope my successor will complete the transaction.

Gift sent to Memphis for their mediation, please also brief the next King of the Hatte on the status of the negotiations (return of the farmers/money and borders on Seyhan).

I assume the ceasfire holds till the next king assumes power,

Password removed,

Farewell, my beloved kingdom uppon the mountains!

Attachment: hittites_b3080.net
This has been downloaded 2 time(s).

	17-09-2003 02:59									#767
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Steve last week
... tanelorn today
I seem to be losing all my neighbours
I swear I haven't conquered them (...yet )

	17-09-2003 03:05									#768
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players are dropping like flies.

I think I'll have to watch my back...


Goodluck tanelorn, I hope to play you again sometime...

And yes, the cease-fire will hold.

	17-09-2003 20:18									#769
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Bye, tanelorn

	19-09-2003 00:29									#770
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There is a bug in Yaroslav's PBEM Diplomacy tool: see http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...495#post2346420

	19-09-2003 00:32									#771
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Pass greetings to the King in north-west I never met.

	19-09-2003 03:50									#772
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Attachment: bab_b3080.net
This has been downloaded 1 time(s).

	19-09-2003 23:10									#773
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My apologies guys. I've been on travel the past week and unfortunately had no net access. Still traveling, but the new hotel solves the problem. Anyway, it's good to see that Assyria and the Hittites had begun direct diplomacy! Sadly we seem to have lost two MORE players! I'll post something in the "players's needed thread - but if anyone knows of folks who might be interested, please send them our way.

P.S. Email will still not reach me, so please use the Apolyton PM system for the next week.

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Re: The Barb questions. When I ran the test a while back, I checked the net file with a hex editor and verified the "King, Barb Wrath" settings. Theoretically we should be spawning hordes.

	20-09-2003 18:57									#774
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Cease fire holds on all fronts. Emissary dispatched to Memphis now that the Hatte King has abdicated.
Arrangements have been made to allow for the transfer of goods in the event the new Hatte ruler will continue on the path to peace.

Hostile tribe of Horsemen encountered in the southern desert. A fierce battle was fought, where the Assyrians emerged victorious dispite considerable losses.

Some technology given to our Babylonian neighbours in an effort to boost trade and prosperity between our Empires.

Attachment: assyria_b3080.net
This has been downloaded 3 time(s).

	21-09-2003 17:43									#775
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Hi folks,
... I did not post in Apolyton for several years now...
Too busy in real live, but I still did not lost connection to civ2 PBEM
Wow! There even exists a PBEM forum now. Thats great!
La Fayette was so friendly to invite me to your game. It would be a honour and pleasure for me to join your game, and I even can provide a reliable second player to jump in.
However, I am not sure if the scenario concept works for my civ version (I have the old european "not gold" version), but we could give it a try.
Sorry, i did not dig through the 26 pages, could someone give me some comprehension of how to get in?
What is "Apolyton PM" standing for?
(Sorry, I feel like I just awake from some years lasting deep sleep mode, LOL)

	21-09-2003 17:57									#776
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[quote](I have the old european "not gold"
version)[/q]

You mean the standart Civ2 Multiplayer version that was for sale in Germany? I'm using that one too. Welcome aboard!

The scenario is currently still in its opening stages. Most players will have made contact with each other by now (I have got contact with the Assyrians, Babylonians and Hittite). There was a war between the Assyrians and Hittites during the last few turns, but that has been settled now, hopefully.

	21-09-2003 18:05									#777
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I am very sorry, the program I announced here as a hut-finding utility has a serious bug. It gives you also information which huts in dark weren't tipped yet.
Many apologies.

Pls throw it. You can download a new version here: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...439#post2351439

	21-09-2003 18:22									#778
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Hi Kengel,
PM is a Private message. Look at icons in the upper area of each post.

We have two free slots: Hittites (last player was tanelorn) and Greeks (Steve Clark).
Tanelorn left definitely.
Steve probably too, but his last post (posted 12 days ago) contains a formulation that one of his motives to leave was his 10-day holiday. So maybe we should wait couple of days if he won't change his mind and return.

Two pages back is a long post with a proposition of house rules. It is not approved yet, and so you can post your opinions as well.

	21-09-2003 20:19									#779
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No, the vacation effected only the timing but it was not the reason. Please have someone who has infinite patience to play the Greeks.

	22-09-2003 01:31									#780
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I am still here as a spectator too. My working hours are in a mess though, and I can no longer commit myself to PBEM's.
Take the Hittites, if you like a chalenge