19-10-2002 21:05									#91
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Also we must undertake terrorist tactics against Croatia to screw up her tourism. It is so dirt cheap it is starting to steal tourists from us.


A few well planted bombs and noone visits Croatia anymore.

We can always attribute them to albanian separatists afterwards.

	19-10-2002 21:09									#92
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Mitsotakis was the one who initiated the embargo. Papandreou put an end to it (fool). Papandreou also foolisly accepted to sign a peace treaty with Albania in 1984? to end the war that lasted since 1940 ( Albania had declared war on Greece on 1940).

Yes it was the party of the ex-komitatzides ( Bulgar bandits) that ruled Skopje up untill recently. They Bulgarized the country.

A more suited name for their "state" is SlavoMacedonia.

	19-10-2002 21:10									#93
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Now I see what they mean when they say that Greeks invented xenophobia

	19-10-2002 21:14									#94
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It was Papandreou who put the embargo in force.

I don't know wether Mitsotakis had threatened them with it but he didn't put it in place.

We can always out it back in force if there is need.

I don't think we must offer any kind of concessions about the name. We don't have to.

Skopjian slavs themselves are buffled about what they are. What is their primary ethnic identity.

Are they "madedonians"?
Orthodox?
Slavs?

What is their primary ethnic identity? They are very confused.

There was a brilliant article about that on the net but I can't find it now.

	19-10-2002 21:14									#95
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All slavs regardless where they live ( FYROM, Russia, Serbia etc...) want a piece of Greece. They still have that inferiority complex that the Byzantine Empire left them.

	19-10-2002 21:15									#96
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SKopjia should never be recognised as Macedonia since it will create another war strarted by their later generations.
Keep them weak, keep them down untill they have one choice: accept the offers or not be able to feed themselves.

Besides in a decade or so we will deal with Albanians not Slavs since they will overrun the "country". They are already 50% of its population.

We can come to an understanding then and have their "parliement" vote on it since it will be Albanian dominated.

	19-10-2002 21:16									#97
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Ok paiktis i admit i am not sure who started the embargo. I'll check it and answer later.

Skopjians are Bulgarians. They speak Bulgarian, have Bulgarian names, read Bulgarian newspapers. Read my posts above!

	19-10-2002 21:19									#98
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It is to Greece's best interests that this "state" remains strong. It acts as a buffer zone. If there was no FYROM all the Kosovar refuges would flood OUR country.

	19-10-2002 21:19									#99
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They know they are Bulgarians. But they have no fixed identity. So they try to steal something from everybody.

History from Greece
Language from Serbia-Bulgaria
Orthodoxy from Byzantium (that is their right)
Land from Bulgaria and Greece

and so on and so forth.


Now they don't have a nationalist "government" and they are brought to their knees by the Albanians.

It is with them that we will be doing business in the near future.

	19-10-2002 21:23									#100
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I think it's all a big Albanian conspiracy.

	19-10-2002 21:26									#101
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Like the baby sealion killers in Norway?

Albanians have been proven helpful in that "state".

	19-10-2002 21:27									#102
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There is a Greek minority there as well, do not forget. In Monastiri. We could have gotten the region in the First Balkan War, but the 5th Division f***** it up. And you are correct paiktis, Papandreou initiated the embargo, but unfortunately it achieved nothing.

	19-10-2002 21:27									#103
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BTW of course it should remain in one piece for the time being to shield off the Kosovar refugees you are right Palaiologos. And it has served this purpose.

	19-10-2002 21:29									#104
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We agreed to devide it with Serbia after France,UK,Russia created the artificial "State" of Albania to deprive the Serbs from an opening to the sea.

We could have devided it yet again between Serbia and Greece taking another piece of it. But we would have to enter the Yugoslav war to do that.

	19-10-2002 21:30									#105
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Albanians are 100 years backwards from the rest of the Balkans. That means that when the rest balkanians had their nationalistic resurgence in the 1900's the Albanians will have it soon.

	19-10-2002 21:31									#106
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos All slavs regardless where they live ( FYROM, Russia, Serbia etc...) want a piece of Greece. They still have that inferiority complex that the Byzantine Empire left them.

Why would anyone have a inferiority complex against a country like Greece? I'm sorry to say but the only thing that greeks have shown on this site on the matter lately has been easily portrayed as a inferiority complex.

Sure, it might be wrong of the former macedonian govement to make the claims they did on history (although Greece should stop living on what might have happend two milleniums ago) and what the brittish sports press wrote was garbage. However, most things that sports press in general, and brittish sports press in particular, writes is garbage so i don't see why Greeks have to go ballistic about it. Germany gets loads of that kind of crap each time england and germany meets and they seems to be able to handle it.

	19-10-2002 21:31									#107
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Palaiologos,
I think they already had it.

But we should not forget even Albania is split in two. It has two races which hate eachother and speak a different language. The Greek minority in Albania is the third ethinicity there.

	19-10-2002 21:34									#108
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The Balkan Wars are a perfect example what can countries with strong armies do. The Balkan allies IGNORED the wishes of the Great powers and invaded the Ottoman Empire. The result was that England, France etc... unwantably recognised their victory over the Turks and granted us lands. They were pressuring King George and the other Balkan leaders to leave Turkey alone but the Balkanians having trust in their armed forces told them to f**** off and invaded anyway.

	19-10-2002 21:35									#109
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And won.

	19-10-2002 21:36									#110
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Aren't Albanians running Europe's drug- and sex slave trade?

Some of the profit goes to the UCK and Albanian rebels in Macedonia.

Soon they'll create a Greater Albania and rule the Balkans

	19-10-2002 21:37									#111
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The Balkan Alliance between Greece, Serbia, Montenegro and Bulgaria was succesful and pushed Turkey further back.

However, the 2nd Balkan war in which Balkanians fought between themselves, nomatter that Greece gained a lot of territory because of that, was to a large degree the result of interference of France, UK and Russia.

	19-10-2002 21:38									#112
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Albania split in two?
Apart from Albanians and Greeks no other nation leaves there.
Are you refering to Muslem, catholic and orthodox albanians as a different race?

	19-10-2002 21:39									#113
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No muslim Albanians are split into two ethnicities themselves and hate eachother's guts.

They don't even speak the same language.

I don't remember the names of those two ethnicites now, sorry.

	19-10-2002 21:40									#114
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They are devided between North and South, in Albania proper.

	19-10-2002 21:42									#115
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Actually it was Bulgaria's fault. Having defeated the Ottoman army mostly by themselves( believing they were invisible) and infuriated at the loss of Thessalonica by the Greeks attacked both Serbia and Greece simultaneusly. The subsequent Greek counter-offensive drove them back to the metropolitan lands of Bulgaria, and we were only forced to halt our army 20 kilometers from Sofia because the Rommanians threatened with intervention. No France, UK etc... interference there.

	19-10-2002 21:44									#116
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I think the "north Albanians" make up only about 10% of the pop.

	19-10-2002 21:45									#117
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The albanians are divided into tribes: The gegides the tsamides, the tsotsides? etc...
Also FYROMians live there, in Pogradets.

	19-10-2002 21:47									#118
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North Albania is predominaly Muslem, South is orthodox and Central is catholic.

	20-10-2002 16:04									#119
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(sigh...) I told you this thread should never have started...

	20-10-2002 17:25									#120
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quote: Originally posted by paiktis22 it means not having control of your country, like FInland

Based on what facts do you describe finlandisation? Isn't that more like hellenic hippocracy?