05-02-2003 21:07									#391
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Sheep, you are using the same argument over and over, even the modern day US would have some troubles defending against modern day Britain, France, Brazil, Argentina, Chile and Venezuela (all the nations that were at war with you at the beginning of it) let it be alone if it was the US at the beginning of the century.

I know you had some RL troubles and that's why I have given you that Huge Army (once you were returned), and when you were out I even tried to make peace for you.

But now you are claiming simply too much.

And stop flaming this NES

Saluti

	05-02-2003 22:28									#392
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occ: I know I am right and will not claim otherwise. I am a man of principle and I stick by them no matter what. I find that the success the nations in question had was totally unrealistic

	05-02-2003 23:03									#393
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	05-02-2003 23:04									#394
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occ: You were gone? I am not backing down as I feel I have been mistreated here. Nothing personal.

	06-02-2003 00:01									#395
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The point of this is not to have success or cause others to have failure, the point is to create an entertaining and possibly even infomative situation that can be enjoyed by all involved. Perhaps you think otherwise, but most people consider entertainment to necessarily include some challenges. That means both successes and defeats. Despite the fact that I consider what happened was totally realistic, possibly even a little generous in what how we allowed both you and your country to respond, it hardly matters now. Sure, your country might be doing better now, but no matter how 'unfair' you think people have been, nothing is solved by you perpetrating such excesses as you have recently demonstrated. We all very much want as many people to continue with this and everyone to enjoy it as much as possible, but if necessary, we can just ignore your unreasonable posts. Try to work this out, possibly even compromise, and everyone will end up better off.

	06-02-2003 00:04									#396
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occ: The fact is after the British stopped their support of the war, the Argentinians and the Brazilians were very outnumbered. The USA was fighting 3 powers and then 2. Therefore I made more advances than previouslt possible.

	06-02-2003 02:50									#397
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Ok... the current situation in the Americas is the one I already posted above:

quote: Originally posted by Giovanni Wine [b][COLOR=green]Brazil still have control of Southern Florida, but suffered many casualities from Americans attack Argentina have still control of Western California, while American troops made several advancement in Louisiana thanks to the leadership of the great general (pick a name), although the Argentinian troops have fortified in New Orleans, and it will be hard to get them out of there. The American fleet suffered many losses off the carrabean to Argentinian and Brazilian navies, and is forced to retreat, therefore the situation in Central America did not changed, and no blockade was ever started.

I'm going to be in charged of the reality police of all nations, and if, for whatever reason, you think there is something in the NES that is too unrealistic, you should let me know by PM, so to not invade this NES with OOC messages, after that I will check what you feel is unrealistic and decide if I should intervene and hot to intervene.

Everybody that needs to post long OOC discussion, is not welcomed in this thread anynore, and should discuss it via PM or e-mail (this doesn't include if you just write a few OOC lines, or if you post one or two OOC messages, but it means that when you see that a long discussion seems to be on its way, you should invite the other player to answer you by other means).

On a last note: If I see anybody else flaming this NES, I'm going to ban him from this NES, and any other GDNES I would start in the future, so please don't make me do such a thing.

And now let's keep on playing, everyone is welcome to continue and let's just ignore what happened today.

Saluti

	06-02-2003 03:06									#398
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White Nations: January 1911

To: France
From: Belgium

After a long discussion in the parliament, we have come to the conclusion that a Union with France would be a great thing for both of us.

To: France
From: Denmark, Holland

We congratulate on your recent union with Belgium

To: France
From: Portugal

We condemns your annexation of Belgium

To: Japan
From: China

We thank you for your help.

To: Argentina, Brazil
From: Venezuela

If it is not a problem for you, we would like to annex Equador into our Federation.

To: Argentina
From: Equador

We will not give up our independence

To: The World
From: Central Americans

Have the world, which seems so worried about us, listened to our words in the Constantinople Meeting

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Events:
- Mexican Revolution:
Thanks to the help of Italian and Ottoman troops, the Mexican Army have managed to repel the attack of Pancho Villa from the north, but in the south, due to a hole in the defensive lines, the Zapatist managed to take the city of Merida, where they were greeted as heroes and liberators by the population

- Russian Prime Minister Stolypin is assassinated
At a premiere night of the Kiev Opera, Russian Prime Minister Pyotr Stolypin is gunned down by a police informant, Bogrov, before the very eyes of the czar and czarina. His successor is the competent, but less popular and less prestigious Vladimir Kokovzov.

Saluti

	06-02-2003 05:51									#399
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Brazillian forces in FLorida still hold strong in the south. The American Alliance has naval supremacy in the Carribean.

Since American forces rejected any sort of cease fire for our troops in Florida to begin withdrawing they have been reinforced immensely. From Fort Myers to Palm Beach and down, the Brazillian forces are in complete control.

To world: we're trying to get peace, but America seems to want all the benefits out of an agreement for ending a war they are losing. And they also want to begin imposing harsh terms on South Americans, and we're the ones winning!

The Brazillian people are in full support of its government, especially at recent actions and statements of the U.S. and rumors of their harsh treatments to POW's.

To Cuba:
We thank you for your kind words. And we too hope this war with the imperialist can end. Your island will not fall in the northerner's hands.


OOC: so what's the verdict? I restrained myself in making any major moves until a verdict is out, and clear.

	06-02-2003 06:11									#400
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Cuban forces occupy the Carribean islands of Aruba and Jamaica. This will drop Cuba's economy to stable.

Additionally, Cuban forces liberate the rest of Dominica. Cuban war hawks in congress have had their appetites appeased for the time being.

Cuba immediately sets up more freedoms in the captured islands, and, like the invasion of Haiti, there has been little resistance to the Cuban forces.

Cuba establishes the Department of luxury agriculture in Jamaica, a department devoted solely to the growth and manufacture of marijuana. For some strange reason, massive shipments are being sent to Europe, at this time marijuana is known only to provide feelings of giddiness and Euphoria.

Cuban forces have lifted their war status with the United States, Cuban military leaders cannot help but wonder then, why the United States wishes Cuba harm. Especially because Cuba never fired a shot at the United States in Anger.

Cuban aid is being supplied in large, visible amounts to the nations of Mexico and Central America, in the hopes that they will develop an anti-imperialistic position on world issues; and more importantly, in the hopes that they will not allow the gringo nations to spread their filthy seed amongst beautiful Latin women.

To Brazil: We are glad someone in this hemisphere has a desire for peace!

To the United States: It has been a year now where you've been unilaterally at war with Cuba, what is your intent?

To Argentina (secret): Cuba would appreciate support in Carribean conquests, we will condone actions against the U.S. if we have Argentinian support.

To France and Britain: You are the fair weather fans of the world, please declare neutrality and work to an end in the conflict, instead of switching sides and encouraging aggression on the part of the United States.

	06-02-2003 07:01									#401
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ooc: goober, Aruba belongs to the Netherlands, an ally of France. I don't think you know this, so I'm giving you a warning to retract you conquest before I declare war.

Giovanni, could you please resolve my elections?

French Airforce is now Tiny

The French governent is taking care to support the growing export industry of France. Domestic issues are now taking priority over the military. The economy should grow to World-Leading in 4 years.

	06-02-2003 07:27									#402
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OOC: I'm back in.

With the US weakened again by BRazilian attacks, ARgentina has once again managed to land in Louisiana and take control of New Orleans. In California, San Francisco has been recaptured as well.

A bomb has exploded in the Argentinian Capitol. 78 members of Congress were killed. SUspiciously, nearly all of the Marxists in COngress were absent from the Capitol that day. Massive riots, especially anti-labor union and marxists, have resulted. The President has declared a state of emergency and called for emergency elections this July to replace the late members of COngress (Giovanni please resolve). He has used his emergency powers to arrest hundreds of Marxist and anarchist leaders. He has also made an effort to maintain the military's independence from the political turmoil, so that the war may go on.

	06-02-2003 07:28									#403
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To Venezuela: SUre you can have Ecuador, though Brazil might want it...

	06-02-2003 08:53									#404
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TO United States and the World:
THe peace terms that the American Alliance has come up with are reasable, they even droped their demands of reprations, yet the USA now does not want peace. Thus we will not enter the war instead get the USA to accept the peace that is now on the table.

	06-02-2003 09:44									#405
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Britain to Cuba:

We understand your proximity to the conflict has you concerned, and so we won't take your comments personally. Just to clear things up for you, our involvement with the U.S. began when they attacked us (we know it wasn't that simple, but we'll spare you the history) and ended when they finally agreed to meet our demands. We maintained those demands the whole time and didn't request more when they were met. That is in no way encouraging agressions on the part of any side. We have sent messages to all involved urging peace, even offered incentives, but we will not take any forceful actions on the part of either side until Britain or its interests are threatened. And if it makes you feel any better, your safety is in our interest.

	06-02-2003 09:51									#406
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To britain: Our comments are based on threats of the United State of British naval backing, until they realize that England will not fight the war for them, we cannot rest at ease.

Concerning Aruba: Cuban agents (not troops) coerced the citizens to join Cuba, Cuba has not declared formal war on the Netherlands, rather they are acting within the guidlines of the Cuban constitution. However, should france get extremely uppity about a small carribean island, Cuba will grant the isle a choice of popular sovereignty, and let the people decide their own fate. Surely a democratic nation such as france and/or the Netherlands can agree to this.

	06-02-2003 11:48									#407
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To Venezuela:
If you want Ecuador, we won't stop you.

	06-02-2003 12:43									#408
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To United States:
Please accept the peace deal on the table now. End this pointless war that goes no were and is destroying your country. Rebuild your nation, dont destroy it.

	06-02-2003 19:13									#409
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Events: July 1911

- Revolution in China:
Following a mutiny by the garrison at Hankow, a widespread army revolt breaks out. Chaos prevails as provincial governors declare independence. An indecisive war between loyalists and rebels leads to an armistice, and the republic of the United States of China is proclaimed, under the leadership of Sun Yat-Sen.

- Roald Amundsen, DANISH explorer, reaches the South Pole

- Elections in France
After the recent development of the situation in the Americas, the French pubblic opinion turned once againto the Hawks party, asking for French support to the American Alliance and force the US to sign peace.
Although the Hawks victory was got only by a small margin of 6%, showing French support for a peace resolution to be find.
Hawks: 53%
Doves: 47%

- Elections in Argentina
After the attack in the Parliament of Buenos Aires, the coalition lead by the Reformist and the Conservativs won by a land slide with well over 60% of the votes, the people of Argentina are asking for law and order to be reinstaured in the country, although the Reformist took the advantage over the Conservatives
The Socialist lost a few votes, due to their friendship with the Marxist.
The current composition of the Congress is:
Reformist: 38%
Conservatives: 30%
Socialist: 16%
Unionist: 10%
Marxist: 6%

- Paesants revolts in Nicaragua
The Paesants in Nicaragua revolted today against the government because of their lack of agrarian reforms.
People are asking for some kind of reforms similar to the ones who took place in Cuba. The Nicaraguan Army could not quells the rebels, and the government is aking for help from the AA (ooc: this was caused by gooberboob's sending of people to spark rebellions in Central America)

- Mexican Revolt
Villa and Zapata's armies did a new attack against the Mexican armies, and managed thanks to the support of the population to defeat the Mexican Army in the battle of Monterrey.
Despite the help from the Ottoman Empire and Italy, it appears that it is too hard to keep the rebels under control.

Saluti

Last edited by Giovanni Wine on 06-02-2003 at 19:20

	06-02-2003 19:30									#410
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To: Ottoman
From: Italy
(secret)
It looks like the Mexican rebels have support from all the population, and it seems like our armies are not enough to keep them under control.
I think it could be a good idea to withdraw our support for the current Mexican government and take friendly stances towards the rebels, and maybe help them, that way if the rebels win, they will be friendly toward us.

What do you think?(/secret)

To: US
From: Italy

I'm sorry, but it looks now to us that it is you that is pushing this war, sign cease fire with the AA now.

To: Brazil, Argentina
From: Italy

We applaud your efforts on trying to create a new peace, you have our support on this

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Italian Projects
Military usage of airplane: 1.5 years (3 days)
Navy increase: 3 years (6 days)

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Italian Stats
Name: Kingdom of Italy
Head of state: King Vittorio Emanuele III
Prime Minister: Giolitti
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Growing
Army: Large
Navy: Large
Air Force: None
MPP: Emperor's League, Balkan Alliance

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Italian Positions toward countries:
Russia: Normal (allied)
Germany: Normal (allied)
Austria-Hungary: Friendly
Ottoman Empire: Very Friendly (allied, trading)
UK: Normal
France: Friendly (trading)
Japan: Friendly (trading)
USA: Normal but cooling because they are not signing peace
Brazil: Normal but getting friendlier
Argentina: Normal but getting friendlier
Cuba: Normal
China: None
Mexico: Friendly

Saluti

	06-02-2003 19:51									#411
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	06-02-2003 20:44									#412
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British domestic events:

India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh are now self-industrializing.

External emphasis has been shifted to:

Malaysia, Burma, Botswana

	06-02-2003 22:32									#413
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To Cuba: We find this stance simply intolerable. French intelligence indicates that Aruba is not the only place you have used your spies with abandon. The recent rebellions throughout Central America point to you. We cannot allow this system of subterfuge to continue. When will spying and diplomacy turn to military occupation? France cannot accept either. Thus, we ask that you recognize Dutch soverigenty over Aruba.

	06-02-2003 22:58									#414
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OOC: I think Sheep has left. If there's no response within 24 hours I think we should assume this and Giovanni will control the US's diplomacy (unless Jack_www wants it).

The overwhelming majority of the Conservative Coalition has allowed them to pass a law banning being a member of any Marxist or Anarchist group. The Marxists in Congress have been arrested and replaced by the runners-up in their last elections, in most cases current Unionists. Marxists in Southern Bolivia have declared themselves to be in revolt. Troops have been sent to crush the rebellion.

Troops have been sent to crush the rebels in Guatemala, but many of tehm have mutinied and helped the rebels, which were able to successfully capture Guatemala City.

Socialists, some Unionists, and a few Reformist leaders have condemned the banning of Marxism and called for popular protests. They have been threatened with arrest for encouraging riots.

	06-02-2003 23:05									#415
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Ok civman.. if by 19 PM my time of tomorrow, Sheep doesn't post, it will mean that Sheep has abandoned this NES, and I'll open up the US for everyone to take, and until them will control their diplomacy.

Saluti

	07-02-2003 00:24									#416
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The now-ruling Hawk party has elected a Prime Minister. An relative unknown in the political arena, Crian Vayer, has been elected. The Dove part of Congress expressed reservations about the nomination, and will apparantly have a hard time coorperating with the new leader. In his Inuageral address, the Prime Minister adopted an aggressive stance against America. In his first Executive Order, troops are to be dispatched to the region, obtensibly to pressure America in capitulation. Some of the more radical members of Congress are suggesting that the treaty the American government negotiated with Napoleon for the purchase of the Lousiana territory is illegal, and that France has a right to occupy it. Ominously, the first troops dispatced are those to Florida and New Orleans, to assist the AA in their efforts.

To AA-
We're with you.
To AA-(secret)
We're with you, even if you want to push for territory.

	07-02-2003 03:27									#417
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Sorry for my absence

Russian projects:

Air Force to Tiny: 2 years


The Russian miltary have landed on the islands north of the main coast. Annexation ~6 months.

	07-02-2003 03:34									#418
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Good to see you back Frozzy, now if only SKILORD could come back the Emperor's League would be back again at its full strenght

Saluti

	07-02-2003 04:13									#419
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To Pancho Villa (secret):
We applaud your fight for the poor people. If you need any aid, short of actually sending troops, just ask.

	07-02-2003 05:29									#420
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To all American States (secret): We must take a non-imperialist stance if our nations are to stand!! I am making a stand against the Dutch occupation of Latin American territory. Cuban Democracy is Latin Democracy, a Democracy which is strong and powerful, a democracy which doesn't need major revolutions three times a century to establish, it is a Democracy dedicated to the will of the people, and the people of Aruba wish to share in this power.

To France: Cuban Democracy is Latin Democracy, a Democracy which is strong and powerful, a democracy which doesn't need major revolutions three times a century to establish, it is a Democracy dedicated to the will of the people, and the people of Aruba wish to share in this power.

To Nicaragua: Pledge a MPP with Cuba, and Cuba will aid in the construction of a democratic government in Nicaragua. ((ooc: Cuban propagandaists are still in the area))

To Pancho and the Rebels in Mexico: Don't allow yourself to become a slave to the European powers, American states must band together if we are to achieve global respect. Cuba offers more aid to your forces for a pledge of America first allegiance