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	05-02-2003 10:11									#362
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The American government to owns Hawaii and this will be returned. We will not pay any reperations nor be forced to trade with anyone, however such is the system of the American economy that we do not tell it what to do.

The American Amry continues to drive Latino forces out of continental USA. Brazilian forces are forced to withdraaw from Florida to Cuba. The first US army groups begin to arrive in Central America liberating them from Latino occupation. In Mexico the US government offically remains neutral, however backs its allies Italy and the Ottoman Empire. The Navy lifting the blockade of the Western coast forces The Latino navies south. At the battle of the Galapagos Islands Latino fleets are severly beaten back.

To Britian: We appluad your peace efforts. May we start trade again soon. The peoples of the United States and Canada will live in peaceful harmony from now on. As a toke of our goodwill we offer 500,000 dollars to the Canadian government for comepnstation to our inavsion of His Majesty's territory.

To Brazil and Argentina: We still offer peace but on our terms. We wish for the Central Americans to have a vote. They will be independent. Hawaii and Alaska are to remain ours. All nations occupied by you are to be regiven their independence. You armies are to be limited by treaty. You are to have no airplanes or submarines. There will be no reperations. We take this sterner view in consideration of your unwillingness to make peace in the past.

	05-02-2003 10:35									#363
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Britain to U.S.:

we are happy to have peaceful relations again, but we must urge you not to assume that you can now order other nations around as you are attempting with Brazil and Argentina. Just as we didn't support an overly penalizing peace against you when you were down, we don't support you trying to do the same to other nations. It is not right, and most importantly, there will never be peace if both sides continue demanding unreasonable concessions from each other. The pendulum of fate has an unpredictable path, just as the recent seeming reversal in the situation has indicated. You should accept peace while at the hight of your fortune, lest you are forced to when things aren't going so well and you are in a less favorable bargaining position.

	05-02-2003 10:48									#364
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To Britian: We offer much, yet the Lationos do not agree. Until they do we will offer less and less. They are wise to accept no before they get asked more of them. We want peace but we will not suffer because of others lack of intentions.

	05-02-2003 11:23									#365
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Cuba to the world: As you have seen, the Cubano Carribian Nation has tried to come up with a very fair compromise for the war that rages around her. A war that is almost certain to come to Cuban shores with further escalation. Cuba asks all nations to aid her peoples in preparation and arming for a defensive war.

As long as the United States does not allow the peaceful withdrawl of Brazilian forces and POWs, Cuba cannot support the U.S. and asks the rest of the world to follow suit. Additionally, until the Brazilian troops are allowed to peaceably withdraw, Brazilian ships still have access to Cuban ports. Argentinian, and U.S. ships NO LONGER HAVE THIS LUXURY, and will not have it until the fighting stops.

The United States has claimed more than 750,000 Prisoners of War, which have since disappeared, should harm have befallen these men, the United States is in direct violation of the rules of warfare, and, lest all nations wish to see their captured be killed in the event of future war, punishment by international tribunal should be enacted.

Cuba expresses anger at the United States' use of the following words and phrases: Latinos, Latino, and tinpot emperors. These terms are diplomatically inappropriate, and racially biased. If the United States wishes a war with Latin America, that is one thing, because this language does nothing but escalate conflict.

Argentina has shown NO desire for peace under reasonable terms. The Argentinian government has taken a war over Central America and turned it into a land grab in North America! The United States has relinqueshed any control they once held in Central America, thus the initial purpose for the war has been resolved, the objective is complete, AA won the objective. Argentina should NOT demand reparations for an invasion which they fought on the soil of the United States; however, it could best be analogized to a bully beating up a schoolchild and then demanding milk money. Argentina has shown no desire for peace, only land or money.

Brazil is the only hope Cuba sees in the resolution of this conflict. If Brazil withdraws, Cuba sees a swift end to this war. We urge Brazil to work hard for peace. Cuba recognizes that the North Americans have some outrageous demands, and their racist comments only fuel the fires of rage in Latin American hearts, but it is in the best interest of all nations concerned that we achieve peace, for with peace comes prosperity.

To All American Countries (secret): We must resolve this conflict quickly, the hounds of Europe are licking their imperialist chops in regards to our nations. The sooner we can end this war, the sooner we may prosper!

Cuban military orders (passed 98-2)
Upgrade Army to Large in order to better protect Cuba. (1.5 years)
Improve Infantry Tactics and Weaponry to the level of the most advanced powers in the world. (3.5 years)
Secret: Agents to Central America to help incite the people to a Cuba-friendly government. They don't have the money of Europe, but they are better able to communicate with the people, and their message spreads faster and more effectively because of it. Cuban weapons will be supplied to pro-Cuba guerilla groups.
((Giovanni, we'll see your impartiality with this call))

Naval Improvements (6 Years).

Cuba's stats with Nations of the World.
Argentina: Neutral
USA: Neutral
Brazil: Cordial
Britain: Annoyed
France: Annoyed
Ottoman Empire: Annoyed (( we're not on your thing like this))
Other European Nations with intent to intervene: Hostile
Mexico: Supportive of Democratic groups
Central America: Supportive

((OOC: I pointed out flaws in both sides of the American conflict in the hopes of resolving it, not to make nearby enemies. Obviously I am aware that any one of these nations could easily invade Cuba, but it was fun ranting.))

	05-02-2003 12:22									#366
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United States Stats:

Army: Huge
Navy: Large
Air Force: Small
Economy: Growing once more
Culture: Growing
Confidence: All Faithful and Enthusiasitic
Current Status on War: Winning, only northern Dakota is under occupation and that is soon to not be with Latino Armies losing supply routes.

United States Diplomatic Stances

Argentina: At War
Cuba: At War (you declared war on me remember)
Brazil: At War
Britian: Cool , at Peace but still largely mistrustful
France: Icy
Russia: Neutral
Germany: Neutral
Austria: Enthusaistic
Italy: Worshipful (Allied)
Ottoman: Worshipful (Allied)
Japan: Icy (Allied)
China: Neutral
Mexico: Neutral (both sides)
Rest of Carrabean: Supportive
Central America: Supportive trying to liberate

	05-02-2003 12:31									#367
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To Cuba: Either sign peace with the United States give up all claims to the Carrabean they are to be independent and we shall spare your nationhood. We do not despise you but your continuing defamation will not be tolerated. All POWs are cared for and however any US POW executed by Latino troops will be followed by 1 Latino executed and 2 put into hard labour. Until normiliastion of our relations we place a full blockae on your island. The Carrabean has been liberated by American troops and the people of the islands welcome us. Cuba will not lead or be a part of the New Carrabean Union.

The United States is whole once more. We have declared a full blockade of the South American coasts and the invasion in Dakota has surrendered giving the USA a futher 1.5 million POWs. This is due to the loss of supply routes once Britian ceased her support of the warmongering Latino American Alliance.

The tinpot Emperor's have 1 month (2 hours RL) to surrender or face full invasion. We find this ample time, considering their proffessed want of peace. We regret having to use such heavy handed tactics and will help all citizens of the enemy nation who don;t become agent provocateurs. However we will not allow to have this war continue indefinently and therefore are required to take action.

	05-02-2003 17:39									#368
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((OOC: REALITY POLICE: Sheep, you cannot give a two hour time limit when the everyone but you is asleep))

Cuba wishes the world to see the imperialism of the United States returning once more. Now it is North America which will be invading the south, both sides have now proven that their talk of peace is B.S.

	05-02-2003 18:15									#369
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To Cuba: It is only your decleration of war and your continued insults that find you in your situation. We will not invade Cuba nor occupy any of Central America after the war. However neither will you.

occ: Who cares everyone does it to me.

	05-02-2003 18:20									#370
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To the US: We will never accept any peace in which we must give up something. This is a position shared by all of us except the extreme branches of the Socialist and Marxist parties.

To teh World: Hahaha the US has declared a blockade but you might notice we still have naval supremacy in the Caribbean, Central-east Pacific, and Center-West Atlantic. To paraphrase one of the US's past leaders, "Teddy Roosevelt has made his blockade; now let him enforce it!"

The president of Argentina has been assassinated. The Conservatives and Reformists have accused the Marxists; the Liberal Coalition has accused nonpartisan anarchist groups. The new president is a Reformist. Anti-Marxist riots rage in many cities, and overall public opinion is now leaning towards the Conservative Coalition.

In teh Caribbean, Argentinian and Brazilian ships have successfully pushed the US navy east or into harbors. The entire Gulf COast is now under a very heavy blockade (and Argentinian ships have come out of Cuba)

To the US: These will be the peace terms:
1. Central America will be independent under the government of the Central American Confederacy. Under our supervision this government will be in place in 18 months. If you think it will be biased towards us, you are free to come and investigate.
2. Your territory will consist of: the lower states (were there all 48 by now?), Alaska, Hawaii, and a few other little islands in the pacific.
3. You will limit your navy and airforce size each to medium. We will limit our army to large, and our airforce to small.
4. You will pledge to never meddle in Latin American affairs or in any way attempt to gain control over any oart of the region (in effect, renounce your beloved "Roosevelt Corollary"). If you do so then all Latin American nations will be entitled by this treaty to declare war on you. By international law, you will be considered the "starter" of such a war.
5. You will never call any legitimate democratic government a "tinpot emperor" or anything similar. This will also be a cause for war against you for all of Latin America.

After the announcement of the treaty proposed by the new president, many Unionists have returned to the Reformist party. Still, the composition of COngress will depend on the US's response.

To Ecuador: Why don't you join the Brazilian Republic? It would be a wonderful step towards the unification of Latin America.

Argentinian projects etc. (Bold means Giovanni should look at):
Economy->Stable: 1.5 years
Army->Huge: 2 years
Provisional Central American government to set up permanent government: 1.5 years
Argentinian Diplomatic Postitions (in parentheses are Congress's positions):
Russia: Normal (Normal)
Germany: Normal (Cool)
Austria-Hungary: Cool (Cold)
Ottoman Empire: Cool (Friendly)
UK: Cool (Normal)
France: Limited Alliance, Friendly (Normal)
Japan: Friendly (Friendly)
USA: Very Very angry (Cool)
Brazil: Full Alliance, Very Friendly (Very Very Very Friendly)
Venezuela: Full Allaince, Friendly (Very Very Very Friendly)
China: Normal
Mexico: Friendly to government (Friendly to revolutionaries)
Ecuador: Cool (Normal)
Central America: protecting independence, Very Friendly (Very Very Friendly)
Cuba: Friendly (VEry Very Friendly)

	05-02-2003 18:30									#371
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To Argentina: Here are our terms of peace. its funny that you mention the Atalantic, isnt that an American ship sailing past Beunos Aires right now? I think it is!

1. Central America will be independent under the government of the Central American Confederacy. there is to be no Latino Supervision
2. Your territory will consit of RL Argentina. No gains are to be kept. All South American republics you have oevrrun will be indpendent
3. You will limit you army to large and your navy to meduim. We will not.
4. You will never again meddle in US politics. We will not meddle in yours. Any invasions will result in war started by you
5. You will never call any legitimate democratic government a "tinpot emperor" or anything similar. This will also be a cause for war against you for all of Latin America. This does not entail the current tinpot regimes that rule Brazil and Argentina.

As you can see my friend two can play at this game. I have the upper hand. 90% of your land forces were in the United States. Without the continue duppkly they have all surrenderd. You are hardly in the postion to dictate terms. Now it is up to ytou to accept peace on my terms or suffer invasion until you too. I have offered too much for too long. You should of taken it when you had the chance.

	05-02-2003 18:33									#372
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occ: I have liberated the Central American Republic from your oppression. The new government has been installed and the Union is beginning to flourish.

To Italy, Austria and Turkey: I ask you to help me now brothers the Latinos will not accept peace. The Gulf Coast is under blockade which although has little effect still startles the population. We ask for help against the warmongering fools in South America

	05-02-2003 18:52									#373
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OOC: You can claim you got us out of teh mainland US quickly but I refuse to accept that you could quickly defeat our navies. We still control Central America and much of the Caribbean.

To the US: I fail to see how there could be "no Latino supervision" of CEntral America for teh people of the country are all Latinos! These are our new (and last) peace terms:
1. There will be a cease-fire while we negotiate peace.
2. We will withdraw our troops from CEntral America, and the government will continue to be set up independent of anyone's supervision. If, howeer, the government collapses within 2 years, we reserve the right to return and restore order. After that, neither of us will be allowed to put troops in CEntral America without its permission.
3. We will keep Chile, Paraguay, and Bolivia. Taking these away from us would be like taking Alaska and Hawaii away from you.
4. There will be no limits on military size for either of us.
5. If you meddle in Latin American politics, we will have the right to declare war on you. If we meddle in Anglo American politics, you will have the right to declare war on us.
6. If you ever call any democratic government a tinpot emperor, you will be a known liar that belives "democracy" means "a government that is friendly to us" and we will NEVER EVER make peace with the current US government.

To teh US and World: We challenge the US to produce a single peace of evidence that we or Brazil or Cuba are ruled by a "tinpot emperor." Until they have done so every nation in the world that believes in democracy has no reason NOT to go to war with them.

AS the US continues to refuse to accept a reasonable peace, the Conservative Coalition now has full control of Argentina again. Also, there as been record recruitment, and the Argentinian army is very large once again despite its earlier losses.

	05-02-2003 18:56									#374
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To Argentina: We find these terms acceptable except for the 3rd one. Alaska and Hawaii were brought or chose to join the United States. Chile, Paraguay and Bolivia did not. Leting you keep would be like me being allowed to keep Panama, Belize and Guatemala. Therefore unless you rectify this and make these nations independent we will have to fight on. And yuou know this is a fight you cannot win.

	05-02-2003 18:57									#375
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OOC: And if you did control Central America it would be in total chaos.

	05-02-2003 19:00									#376
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To the US: Actually, Chile and Bolivia chose to join Argentina. And Paraguay has been given virtual independence already as an autonomous province. And contrary to what you think, this is a war we can and will win. We have almost complete naval supremacy, and your country has been greatly damaged by our invasion. Also, if you agreed to the cease-fire while we negotiate, why are you saying the fighting will continue if I don't completely accept your terms?

	05-02-2003 19:00									#377
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The American Navy undertakes massive operations throughout the Americas. The Carrabean is completely recitfied ofg its Latino problem and the blockade of Cuba resumes. The Gulf of Mexico is likewise cleared of enemy shipping. In South America the Us Army lands at Santiago, Chile an quickly pushes the Argentinans back. The Commandinmg General, George S. Patton declares Chile as an independent nation much to the applause of the Chileans. The new government in Chilie quickly starts to build an army to help their liberators.

	05-02-2003 19:02									#378
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To Argentina: That is what you think. Your invasion did little to our industry and the navy grows every day. Our supremacy is not questioned. You shall fail in your imperialsitc endevours. Now that yuou have rejected peace yet again we shall fight on.

	05-02-2003 19:02									#379
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I quit unless you retract your entirely impossible actions.

	05-02-2003 19:03									#380
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occ: Doesn;t feel good does it. Now you know how I felt when you invaded me with all those impossible actions.

	05-02-2003 19:28									#381
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	05-02-2003 19:59									#382
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occ: I don;t see how I have done anytrhing wrong. I have used the Argentine method by doing it step by step post by post. After all Argentina did take over Washington DC and occupy almost half of the United States. Geez Civman can you hack having your tactics used against you. I mean I had to sit by while you did what you wanted to.

	05-02-2003 20:09									#383
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I'm acting as the moderator of the reality police of this NES concerning the many issues about the American War, everything I say now is like the final sentence of the supreme court, and therefore must be respected.

Brazil still have control of Southern Florida, but suffered many casualities from Americans attack

Argentina have still control of Western California, while American troops made several advancement in Louisiana thanks to the leadership of the great general (pick a name), although the Argentinian troops have fortified in New Orleans, and it will be hard to get them out of there.

The American fleet suffered many losses off the carrabean to Argentinian and Brazilian navies, and is forced to retreat, therefore the situation in Central America did not changed, and no blockade was ever started.

Please don't make MOD every war.

Also

Sheep: you have made actions much more unreal of what civman, easthaven and icarus have done to you.
after all they were three, you were one.
I can agree their advancments were a bit fast, nevertheless they had a much superior force than your, now in just 6 months you managed to do 10 times what they did to you in 7 years, still considering that Brazil and Argentina have combined a superior navy and army to yours. I have given you a Huge Army as a volunteer army to compensate their unreal moves, but now to compensate your moves I should give each of them a SuperMegaImperial one.

I told you hundred times my friend, NESes are fun stories, it's just a place to hang around with some net friends and have fun, it's NOT a game, Poly NESes are different to the one we PLAY at Civfanatics, their NESes are game, you must win, Poly NESes are stories where you are one of the author.

Please keep this always in mind

I'm sorry if I tell you this for, i think this is the third time, you are a good friends, and in the many NESes we play together at CFC I'm having fun, but I don't want this NES to die out of a flame war

Saluti

	05-02-2003 20:11									#384
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occ: I still maintain that I am only doing what civman has done to me. I don;t care who he is, but if he can;t hack the fact that I am going to do the same back well........

	05-02-2003 20:14									#385
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Civman did it with support of Brazil and Britain, an alliance that have much more troops than you, and did it in the time frame of 7 years, you did it in 6 months against equal (if not superior) forces.

Saluti

	05-02-2003 20:16									#386
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occ: Yeah but I still maintain that 1/ Britian is on the other side of the world, therefore not as effective. canda is not industiralised yet so not good for supplies. IF the US is not fully powerful yet I doubnt it very much that Argentina and Brazil could be anything good themselves. Therefore I still find it unrealistic.

BTW I really hate that Green wroting

	05-02-2003 20:27									#387
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occ: A few facts all of you may find intresting

In 1913 The United States had the most steel production in the world. The British Empire was the largest navy but the most spread out protecting its empire

Brazil was a Empire ruled by an Emperor until 1916 His name was Dom Pedro II

Argentina was run by corrupt presidents who styled themselves as President to only keep up the facade of democracy while they were in reality Dictators

Chilie had a bigger army than Argentina in 1900 They and Argentina had fought two wars in the past.

Can you see why I am a little pissed off now?

	05-02-2003 20:29									#388
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Oh BTW Aregentina and Brazil have never had a leager army than the US combined. Even with the British army they wouldn;t of been close. Navies the South Americans were closer but with Britsh help I can understand that. This is where I am comming from in realism

	05-02-2003 20:50									#389
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Sheep: This is a NES, it started 3 weeks ago, the leaders of Argentina and Brazil are Easthaven and civman2000, NOT Dom Pedro II and that other guy.

They have made several improvments to their country stats. Chile and Argentina peacefully joined in a Union increasing Argentinian stats heavily, Brazil did a lot of reforms and so on.

You can not compare Argentina and Brazil of Real Life 1911 with ours, because there are 22 days of NES playing that happened, and things have gone differently.

The purpose of a NES can also be the one of playing alternative history, in this NES things have gotten differntly in the Americas, and apparently the US could not completely prevail over the continents because ALL of Latin America went to war against the US with help by Britain, and at the beginning France.

Now stop throwing facts around here and play, and as the ancient Romans said

"If you don't like the rules, don't play" I'm sorry to say this to you, but that is it, there are NESes that go on a good way, and NESes that go in a very bad way.

Now stop whining my friend, and if I can give you an advice: declare peace, build up your nation as Easthaven and civman did, and than teach them a lesson if that's what you want.

Saluti

	05-02-2003 20:56									#390
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occ: I still stand by the fact that there is no way that the nations in question could of been as effective as they claim to have been. Therefore I struck back as they struck me.