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The entire northern and midwest ARgentinian armies have crossed the appalachians. They met the US forces in an indecisive battle outside Washington, after which the ARgentinians retreated into Virginia and stormed Richmond. Everywhere they have gone, they have destroyed the railroads. Overall, the Argentinian's pillaging has costed the US 3/4 of an economic level.

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To Spain, Portugal, and Switzerland:
France recognizes that you wish to keep your independence and neutrality, however you must realize that in today's changed world it is impossible to remain neutral and have any power. France beleives that the time is now to join the BENEDEFRA alliance.

To Albert I:
The French and the Belgians are already very close. Why not have your rule remembered by joining in a united state of France, similar to that of the UK.

To USA:
It is, of course, France's greatest hope that a peaceful solution to this situation can be worked out. Unfortuantly, Brazil and Argentina will not agree to terms forced on them, and I fear they will not agree to anything less than a surrender whose only condition is that you retain rule over your traditional boundaries. Also unfortunatly, France cannot continue to pretend that there is not a bloody war being fought, with French troops and ships involved. Consider this a declaration of war and an end to French trade.

To Cuba:
France would find great pleasure in encouraging the growth of friends in the Western Hemisphere. We will sign a trade agreement and provide development aid.

To Belligerent Nations:
We agree with the terms set forth by the Ottoman Empire.

France has reconsidered its stance on flying machines, and institutes a program to study military applications and develop working units. Results expected in 3 years.

	03-02-2003 06:41									#303
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OOC: civman, considering Brazil is the one that invaded Louisiana and southern Mississippi and the River I must insist that our soldiers are there, your map says otherwise. Just sayin...

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Brazillian forces launch another offensive in an effort to retake Florida. American forces flee after a Brazillian victorious battle at Pensacola. The Brazillians march into Florida experiencing no heavy resistance.

Brazillian forces run into the American forces (most from the battle at Pensacola) at the Flint River. The American forces again retreated after suffering heavy losses. The battle weakens the Brazillian army enough to halt thier advance. They fortify their positions on the west bank of the Flint and Chattahoochee River from the Gulf to Dothan, Alabama. They secure their lines of communication and begin bringing up their supply lines.

A naval battle occurs off Cape San Blas, although indecisive, supply ships and transports were able to bypass any American ships or subs and land at Pensacola unopposed.


Reinforcements await in Cuba for a landing in Florida, preventing any successful counter-offensive from the Americans in an effort to retake the peninsula.
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To Argentina and Britian(secret):
I agree with your plans on hitting Washington D.C. I will continue offensives in Florida, however, to keep America on multiple fronts, thereby, weakening the chances of a serious reinforcement to the North.

	03-02-2003 10:25									#305
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To France: We regret that but like you to reconsider. We never did anything against these powers yet they have come up with forgaries of transcripts and the like to make their cause 'just'

We are willing to have peace and forgo any reperations however we will not pay any reperations, give up any arms or any territory. Any attempts to do so will mean the war continuing.

	03-02-2003 11:50									#306
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With the addition of France to Cuba's trade partners, many of our other trade partners' declarations of war against the U. S. and the refusal of the American president to retract his calling of the South Americans "tinpot emperors," Cuba has no choice but to declare war on the United States. We ask for technological aid so that we may compete with the American soldiers.

	03-02-2003 11:54									#307
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The American president says that this is a sad day when the Cubans have delcared war against the USA. The USA has done nothing but help them, and the world. We were happy being left alone, yet the enitre world is after us. We are working for peace, the South American Empires are not, yet we are the ones being made to suffer humiliation. The United States would like to announce that it quits.

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occ: BTW I am sick of everyone making insane presumptions and advancing rapidly into my nation when this would be fought in the trenches like World War One. I quit. Anyone wants me I will be over at CFC

	03-02-2003 12:04									#309
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((OOC: Sheep, these are basically international diplomacy games, and each country is, or should be, playing in the best interests of their nation based on the information that they have. The main reason Cuba went to war against the United States and not Argentina, was the addition of France into the ever-growing list of nations that are at war with you. If France had joined your side, Cuba would still have remained neutral. We also laid out our demands for your nation to remain neutral, which amounted to your writing of a single sentence to appease us, and it didn't happen, no nation should be ignored like that. :endrant)

	03-02-2003 12:06									#310
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Goober hate to break it to you. But I have been playing them longer than you. Its people like you that ruin the fun of everyone so therefore I am not playing.

	03-02-2003 12:17									#311
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((OOC: Lemme see, my thingy says Oct 2002, but before I lost my ISP and was forced to use AOL and play under gooberboob's name I played these under the handle Metaliturtle, who played in the very first NES on these forums. That join date: Mar 2002, same as yourself, it's not my fault I try to fight battles that I can win.))

	03-02-2003 12:19									#312
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Somehow I dont believe this due to the very fact that Metaliturtle and you were playing in the same Nes a while back. I believ your orignial name was firfarter. Don;t lie

	03-02-2003 12:20									#313
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((Test me))

	03-02-2003 12:32									#314
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then if you are Metaliturtle then you were cheating. You have just dug your own grave.

	03-02-2003 12:55									#315
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Er, goober, in your first post ever on Apolyton you said you said:

quote: This is firefarter, I just have been having major difficulty signing in (family switched to AOL and it is extremely shitty)

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...614#post1401614

EDIT: You also said, with regards to Metaliturtle:

quote: ((Metaliturtle is my neighbor, he's been on vacation, I don't know when he'll be back))

	03-02-2003 13:01									#316
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goober's my friend, due to an aol mistake with cookies, at my house or his house we can only log in under gooberboob, so he writes stories and I play NESes

	03-02-2003 19:59									#317
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To World:
France strongly condemns the invasions into the American homeland. The issue surrounding the war does not call for invasion. French ships will assist in a blockade and trade embargo. This was our only purpose in declaring war.

Any further aggresion against the now defeated United States by any nation will have severe consequences.

I beleive that America has proposed reasonable terms. All are at fault in this conflict, so we shall go back to the ways things were with Central America retaining its right to choose their course of action. We beleive this to be a victory. Thus, as soon as other nations accept these terms, we will consider hostilities ended.

ooc: I thought Giovanni was supposed to resolve combats, eh?

	03-02-2003 20:49									#318
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OOC:

Thud: No, combats are left to be roselved by the good sense of each player, otherwise I would just make Italy win every wars

Sheep: Please stay, this was becoming a good NES and if you leave it wouldn't be very good. About the War I must say that even if it is a trench warfare, it would be very unlikely that the US could resist so much time against many nations (Argentina, Brazil, Venezuela, France, Britain and later Russia, Cuba and France again) the US was still not very powerful at the time, as at the time they had many debts with the Europeans nations, and the only way they could take the world leadership was during WW1, while all Euros were destroying each other, and the US could continue to prosper, canceled their debts with Europe and in the end become a creditor, but right now Britain and France would still be much more powerful than the US, although, I must admit that the US citizens would create a very high resistance, and thanks to the "right to bear arms" it would be very costly for somebody to invade the US.

Goober: I don't know if you are a DL of Metaliturtle, don't want to know, and don't give a damn about that, Just play, if you are a DL the moderators will take care of it.

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And now.. let's keep on playing (with Sheep too I hope)

White Nations: January 1910

To: Argentina
From: Spain

We don't want to get involved in this American affaires, we won't join the war

To: France
From: Switzerland

We believe that no nation would ever think of invading us, it would just cost them too many troops, we are highly trained, and we defend a montaneous terrain, who in the world would invade us. We believe that our neutrality will not be violated.
Therefore we decline your alliance offer, and we thank you very much for it.

To: France
From: Portugal

As a new Repubblic (ehy thud.. good timing on this: see events ) we agree that an alliance with you would be the best, although we would sign only a defensive alliance with BENEDEFRA, any aggression made by one of our members to another country would be condemned by the Portuguese government.

To: France
From: Spain

No... we will not become a French vassal

To: France
From: Belgium

We will consider your union proposal.

To: Ottoman
From: China

We will welcome a free trade agreement with you only on agricultural products, we can not extend it to Industrial products too, as our Industry is weak, and it would not be able to survive foreign competition.

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Events:
- Revolution in Portugal
King Manuel II flees aboard his yacht to Gibraltar (dies in exile in Britain, 1932). A republican government, under the leadership of Dr. Thephilo Braga, takes power, confiscating Church property, expelling members of Catholic orders, and banning religious education in schools

- Russia annexes Finland
Finland, hitherto a nominally independent country under Russian control, is annexed as a regular Russian province. The members of the Duma greet the news with the words "Finis Finlandiae!" ("The end of Finland!").

Saluti

	03-02-2003 21:28									#319
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Diplomacy:

To: Italy
The war goes well to help to keep it that way are will to help you develop Aircraft.

To: China
We will agree to that.

Proposals:

The Emporer of the Ottoman Federation has started an inisutive to indutrialize the Ottoman empire.

The Ottoman Federation has started to inlarge the navy it will be large in 1.5 years.

The Ottoman Federation has started to search for oil as it see it may need it later. (complete in 1 year)

News:

The war goes well have made large gains in Serbia and Greece. It should end in 1 or 2 years to finish.

Progects:

The Emporer of the Ottoman Empire has started an inisutive to indutrialize the Ottoman empire.

The Ottoman Empire is working on making a working flying mechean based off the Wright Brothers work. Has been completed.

Diplomatic status:

Afganistan: Protectorit
Persia: Part of the Ottoman empire
UK: Normal (Trade)
France: Friendly (Trade)
Italy: Very Friendly (Allied, Trade)
Germany: Normal (Allied)
Russia: Normal (Allied)
Austria-hungary: Normal
China: Normal
Japan: Friendly (Trade)
USA: Normal
Brazil: Normal
Argentinia: Normal
Mexico: None

National Status:

Ottoman Empire (light blue)
Ruler: Nimitz
Army: Very Large
Navy: Medium > Large(1.5 years (3 days))
Air Force: Tiny
Space Fleet: N/A
Government: Federal Monarchy
Economy: Growing
MMP: Emperors Alliance

	03-02-2003 22:58									#320
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OOC: No offense, Sheep, but afaik most people would consider you to be the #1 ruiner of NESs. Still, I would like you to stay in the game. And I doubt trench warfare would result from the invasion, because there's so much space to maneuver through.

ARgentinian troops, in a desperate attack, ahve captured Washington. The Vice President and many other leaders were captured, but Roosevelt escaped.

To Britain (SECRET): Get your navy to the coast of Washington, i want our hostages in Canada before they get rescued.

To the US: Surrender or many of your leaders will suffer in our prisons for the rest of their lives.

	04-02-2003 04:37									#321
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Britian to Argentina (SECRET):

okay.


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Giovanni, would you please respond for South Africa and New Zealand as to whether they will accept other concessions short of total independance? Britain would very much like them to remain part of the British Empire and reminds them of the prosperity and other benefits that it has brought them and will continue to bring them if they remain joined.


Also, if Sheep doesn't return, I believe we can assume that the U.S. has agreed to peace, especially since their capital has been captured and so many nations are at war and bearing down on them.

If Sheep does return and decides to stay at war, Britain's actions are as follows:

A new offensive against the U.S. has been launched, with troops attacking into the New England states east of the Hudson River. The invasion of Delaware and Maryland continues, with inconclusive results as yet.

	04-02-2003 06:55									#322
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Brazillian forces resume their advance into Florida. After the crushing American defeat at the Flint River, they are unable to halt the Brazillian advance. After a decisive battle at Tampa, the Brazillian forces march nearly uncontested. Fort Myers falls within three days of fighting. Brazillian forces fortify at Fort Myers and Belle Glade.

After a ruse, American forces in southern Florida launch a counter offensive on Brazillian positions between the Fort and Belle Glade in an effort to split the enemy in two. As they weaken their southern flank, Brazillian forces waiting in Cuba land in southern Florida and begin driving north, sacking Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach. Cut off from their supplies and any chance of reinforcements, the remaining American forces surrender after the pocket is tightened by the Brazillian forces.

Brazil now controls Florida.

Reinforcements and supplies come rushing in from Cuba, 90 miles away.

	04-02-2003 07:40									#323
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ooc:
I am sure Sheep has left which leaves the USA with out a leader, if it is ok with everyone here I would like to take over the USA and leave Austria to someone else. Please tell me if this is ok. If I get to be USA, they will surrender and give up any claims on the Americas and would want them to be indepent, also reperations would be payed (5,000,000 a year for 10 years to the major powers of South America).

	04-02-2003 08:01									#324
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Fine by me

	04-02-2003 08:13									#325
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occ: I will continue playing, as I couldn't screw up Giovannis NES he is a friend. However I find it very unlikely that a nation like Argentina could take the capital of the Unoted States. I am sick of other's unrealism while mine in retaliation is put in the limelight.

To the World: I have time and time again tried to find a solution for this conflict. I have offered much, what have the tnpot Emperor's in South America offered? Nothing but more bloodshed. I am happy to say that the entire government of the United States is safe and moved from Washington hours before its capture. We will continue fighting only because we are forced to. We have offered a great many things, but we will not offer any money to reward the tinpot regimes for their warmongering.

	04-02-2003 08:24									#326
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To AA:
France concurs with the United States. Enough is enough. Peace has been offered, and the AA continues its invasion. It is clear that the AA does not wish for peace, but for land. This is our final warning. Accept peace, lay down your arms, or face the consequences.

	04-02-2003 08:29									#327
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OOC: Just a reminder Giovanni the Mexican revolution should start in tomorrow's events.

Exhausted by cut off supply routes, the American troops in California have been defeated. As a result, most of teh Westen US is more or less undefended. However, the Californian troops have not bothered to try to conquer the whole area, leaving behind only a small force and sending the rest east to teh Midwest.

New reinforcements and the Brazillian invasion of Florida have allowed Argentinian troops in Louisiana to make a breakthrough. Now, the Coalition controls the entire gulf coast and much of the center-south. Many of the troops have gone northeast to join the army in washington. Reinforcements have also come to Washington by ship.

In Argentina, even though elections aren't for a few years (July 1913), politics is heating up. The Socialists havve split into the Marxists and the Socialist Freedom Party (Socialists for short). Also, former Isolationists and disgruntled Reformers as well as some Conservatives have formed a new party, the Union Party. The Unionists' goals are a quick end to the war, reestablishment of good relations with the US, making a pan-latin american union or confederacy, and mistrusting Europeans and forcing them to abandon the Guyanas.
SUmmary of parties (more or less from conservative to liberal):
Conservatives (incumbent president, slim coalition majority in congress)
Reformists (slim coalition majority in congress)
Unionists (2nd smallest, slowly growing)
Socialists
Marxists (smallest, coalesce with the Socialists often but aren't very happy with them)

	04-02-2003 08:32									#328
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To France: We have never wanted land. We have only wanted reparations. We want peace too, but until the US is willing to pay reparations we will accept no peace. If we ever even hint of demanding any of the core US areas we give you the right to declare war on us. I fail to see how you ever thought we wanted land.

	04-02-2003 08:45									#329
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To American Alliance:
Austria supports France in its postion, clearly the United States is defeated and wants peace, why conitnue to beat the dead horse?? We also warn the AA to agree to a cease fire and come to Austria for peace talks with all parties involved. If not Austria will be forced to act with France for the sake of peace

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We will not pay any reperations as we have done nothing wrong but defended ourselves. However we still continue to offer our peace plan.

occ: Civman just continue making these outrageous attacks. Yes the United States may not of been strong, but Argentina and BVrazil have never been stronger than the USA. Also Britian and France are only giving you limited help. Just keep making the unrealistic posts.