30-01-2003 11:15									#241
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I am back. These are my peace terms. The world stays as it is. Sotuh America has true democracy. I pay no reperations, I started no war, I was not wrong, I threatned no one. Canada will remain in British power. Cuba shall have the enitre Carrabean. Guatemala and Panama are to become US States. The rest of Central America can determine its own fate.

	30-01-2003 17:43									#242
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France beleives this flying business is nothing but pish posh.

France withdraws all troops from the Western Hemisphere and Persia.

To America: We accept these terms.

	30-01-2003 18:25									#243
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Glad to see you back Sheep... is everything all right?

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Events: January 1908
- Women's suffrage in local elections in Denmark
- Chinese Emperor Kuang-Hsü dies
The emperor's successor, recently appointed his heir, is his three-year-old nephew Pu Yi, who becomes the last Manchu emperor of China, taking his seat on the Dragon Throne under the imperial name of Hsü-an-tung.
- In Portugal, the King and Crown Prince are assassinated
Portuguese King Carlos I, and Crown Prince Luis are murdered by anarchists, during a drive through Lisbon in an open car. Slightly injured in the same attack is the second-eldest prince, who becomes Portugal's new king, Manuel II.

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	30-01-2003 18:33									#244
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To: Austria
From: Italy

We understand, althought, we would like to ask you at least the permission to open Italian Schools and Universities in those cities, so that the Italians living there can attend those, (but not only the Italians, also the other Austrian ethnicities if they wish to).

To: Ottoman
From: Italy

I agree, we are ready to start it, just tell us when you are ready as well.

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Italian Projects
Army to Large: 1 years (2 days)
Improve the economy: 1 years (2 days)

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Italian Stats
Name: Kingdom of Italy
Head of state: King Vittorio Emanuele III
Prime Minister: Giolitti
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Stable
Army: Medium
Navy: Large
Air Force: None
MPP: Emperor's League

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Italian Diplomacy:
Russia: Friendly (allied)
Germany: Friendly (allied)
Austria-Hungary: Friendly
Ottoman Empire: Friendly (allied, trading)
UK: Normal
France: Friendly (trading)
Japan: Friendly (trading)
USA: Normal
Brazil: Normal
Argentina: Normal
Cuba: Normal
China: None
Mexico: None

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	30-01-2003 22:25									#245
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Diplomacy:

To: China
We demand the right to trade in your land without tariff.

To: Italy
We can start in 6 months by then we will be in position.

Proposals:

The Emporer of the Ottoman Empire has started an inisutive to indutrialize the Ottoman empire.

News:

The Ottoman naval fleet is going on a world tour, to show it off to the world.

Progects:

The Emporer of the Ottoman Empire has started an inisutive to indutrialize the Ottoman empire.

The Ottoman Empire is working on making a working flying mechean based off the Wright Brothers work. Will be completed in 1.5 years(3 days)

Diplomatic status:

Afganistan: Protectorit
Persia: Part of the Ottoman empire
UK: Normal (Trade)
France: Friendly (Trade)
Italy: Very Friendly (Allied, Trade)
Germany: Friendly (Allied)
Russia: Normal (Allied)
Austria-hungary: Normal
China: Stand offish
Japan: Friendly (Trade)
USA: Normal
Brazil: Normal
Argentinia: Normal
Mexico: None

National Status:

Ottoman Empire (light blue)
Ruler: Nimitz
Army: Very Large
Navy: Medium
Air Force: N/A(applicable in 1.5 years)
Space Fleet: N/A
Government: Monarchy
Economy: Stable
MMP: Emperors Alliance

	30-01-2003 22:27									#246
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To France: The US must be punished. Why did you say that the terms we proposed a few year ao were reasonable then but now you accept soemthing much much lighter of the US? They have refused to make peace despite our reasonable offers; they should be punished MORE, not less!

Argentinian forces in Florida have oushed upwards. They now control most of teh state. Other forces have landed in and taken much of Southern California, suffering heavy losses but getting some help from friendly Mexican-Americans.

To allies (EXTERMELY SECRET): Attack immediately. Britain, storm the Norhteast, but also send a lot of trops to the west. Brazil, help me in the Southeast. Hopefully with Britain we can squeeze Washington. If we get Washington, take the President, Vice President, and Secretary of State captive. Take them back to your home country so they can't be rescued. Then we'll force them to accept our terms. Russia, land in Washington and attack wiht BRitain. However, our main goal will be to gain control of the Mississippi river. Very soon, we (hopefully with Brazillian support too) will attack Louisiana. Britain, go to Minnesota and cut off the northern end. We will progree towards each other. Our primary goals will be St Louis, Missouri and Cairo, Illinois, to cut off the Missouri and Ohio rivers as well.

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	30-01-2003 23:45									#247
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Britian to U.S.:

we accept your terms excluding the part about Guatemala and Panama. We will not allow you to be rewarded for your beligerency. You shall not have Guatemala or Panama. Be thankful that even though you were in the wrong and entriely outmatched we have proposed an agreement that is so favorable to you. Do not try to negotiate differenly. Do not try to ignore us. Accept immediatly and fully or you will be punished.


To Agentina (SECRET) :

if U.S. doesn't accept our terms immediatly we will attack them. But if they agree, we really should let them off. War helps no one.

	31-01-2003 01:25									#248
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Ottoman News:
The Emporer of the Empire has call a council of representitives of all the areas of the Empire accept Persia it is to deside a new form of government for the empire the choises are:
Monarchy(Stay as we are)
Federation
Republic
Holy Republic
Democracy

In all these the monarch will remain the executive.

OCC: This should be desided in the white diplomicy section.

	31-01-2003 02:20									#249
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To Argentina:
Yes, but this conflict is not worth the spilt blood of our youth. We will keep troops in Central America, and fight America only there.

To Cuba & America:
We recognize Cuban soverienty only in Dominica. Since war continues, France no longer finds the terms of peace acceptable. All other islands are still under the control of the legitimate rulers. All BENEDEFRA islands are protected by the French military. Any additional aggression in the Carribean will be considered an attack by America and Cuba on France. No land in Central America shall belong to America.

	31-01-2003 03:19									#250
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TO France: Then do not commit your troops to the war, but remain formally at war with teh US and demand that they pay reparations. We can finish them off without your help, but we will have trouble if you make peace with them without demanding any concessions.

To Britain: (SECRET) OK.

To the US: We will accept peace with you now if you give up all holdings in Central America and the CAribbean and promise never to attempt to gain territory in LAtin America again.

At home, there is starting to be a bit of grumbiling because the war still hasn't ended, but so far there is no major problem.

Elections are coming up (Giovanni resolves) (they are every 5 years, this one will be in January 1909) for both Congress and the President. The parties (in order of strength):
The Conservative Union Party (CUP, currently in power)
The Reformist Union Party (supporters of CUP's foreign policy but not their domestic policy)
The Isolationist Party (currently in decline)
The Socialist Party (both democratic socialists and marxists, very small but growing, has more support in Paraguay, Bolivia, and Chile)

	31-01-2003 03:44									#251
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Cuba will continue to unite the Carribean on it's own time. Any nation willing to give soveriegnty over their Carribean Isles to Cuba will still have use of their military facilities.

TO THE UNITED STATES (not secret by any means): Please withdraw from Central America, focus on your economy, NOT WAR. The people of these areas can establish government on their own.

TO ARGENTINA AND THE OTHERS PLANNING VARIOUS ATTACKS ON THE US: Please do not move the war any further into the Continental United States, Cuba will not support aggresson for the sake of Land Grabbing, any further advances will result in the loss of passage through the Carribean. If you feel that it is your duty to liberate the nations of Central America, Cuba will be behind you.

To France: Why are you so quick to label us warmongers? We accepted money from the United States, not imperialist propaganda. The constitution of Cuba clearly states that we are against rule from distant leaders, and by improving and combining the Carribean islands, we are counteracting this. Additionally, we currently are not hindering passage through the Carribean, whereas other nations, including other American nations, would. Cuba would be willing to negotiate trade and passage agreements for the possession of those isles, and the offer for military facilities still stands.

	31-01-2003 09:09									#252
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Brazillian forces land in southeastern Louisiana and southern Mississippi from their base in Cuba. The forces in Louisiana push northwards along the Mississippi River. The forces in south Mississippi push north also, linking up with the forces from Louisiana at the Mississippi River near Natchez. They also advance east to link up with Argentinian forces in Florida, they succeed in capturing Mobile and its valuable ports. Reinforcements en route.

To world:
We outright reject the U.S.'s outrageous demands! They are the one's at fault and they must pay. Their demands are ludicrous, and unbelievably arrogant and greedy. Our terms were already lenient, they wish to take advantage. Gautamala and Panama a state!!! Now they must pay for their insolent imperialistic ways. They will never control any soil in Central America, as long as the Brazillian-Peru Confederation stand to defy them.

To Argentina:
We're right beside you.

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Anti-American feeling intensifies in Brazil as they recieve the news of USA's reply to peace terms and their stubborn ambitions to conquer central america, possibly as a stepping stone to south america.

	31-01-2003 09:55									#253
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To Cuba: The people of Panama and Guatemala request that I save them from the tinpot Emperor's of the South American republics. I ask you to aid me in their defence. Help me liberate Florida.

To Britain: (secret) We cannot accept this. Panama and Guatemala wants to becoe part of the United States, experienced by the revolts their before we mpoved in. We however will pull out of British Canada, and sign a full democratic alliance, not one you have with the warmongers in Latin America. I want peace but not on the terms of despots. Democracy as we have it must survive. You have been lied to tricked and conned by your 'allies' in Latin America and we shall see to it that one day they have their punnishment. We ask that you aid us your rightful breathren the US, not the Latin American despots

	31-01-2003 10:30									#254
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To United States:
For the sake of peace let these nation be indepent. We would like to offer a comprimise with you and the South American countries that oppose Central America being in US hands. All Central American countries should be given independence and allowed to from what ever government they wish to from. Brazillia and Argentina are neither would be allowed to make these nations a part of their country. Would this not be acceptable to all parties?

	31-01-2003 10:32									#255
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To Britain(secret):
If the USA no longer poses a threat to you interest in Americas we sugest that you stay out of this war. THis is a matter that the Americas should handle themselves. Austria will only attack USA if they attack you again.

	31-01-2003 10:33									#256
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Britian to U.S.:

Not aceptable. We hate to do this so soon after we thought we had achieved peace, but until such time as you withdraw your claims to any and all central american nations a state of war formally exists between us. Please take the wise course of action and agree to peace terms with everyone. We really don't want to go to war, but we are forced to by your stubborness. We will happily sign a peace treaty any time you decide to cooperate.


Britain has started its southward push all over again, wearily throwing the last of the American soldiers out of Canada and beginning offensives into Michigan, New York, and the New England states. So far only a few small U.S. towns have been captured, but the British forces are making no effort to subjugate the citizens; on the contrary they are informing them that they will be returned into the U.S. as soon as this little 'situation' has been 'sorted out'

	31-01-2003 10:36									#257
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Britain to Austria:

thats fine, you can feel free to stay out of the war, we don't really want to fight it either, but our alliances and the fact that the U.S. remains obstinate and dangerously agressive means that the current government must be corrected and then we can all go on our merry ways.

	31-01-2003 10:58									#258
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To Austria: We do not care for central America and onl;y tried to unite them. We do however care for Guatemala and Panama whom wish to join the United States. We are not the belligrents here yet you support them as if I am the agressor. You have been lied to.

To Britian: We have withdrawn from Canada. We shall defend ourselves if provoked. We only seek to defend our sovereignity and the rights of the new US States of Panama and Guatemala. Until then we shall continue our policy of defence.

The United States Army has started the liberation of Florida. Miami has been recaptured and the Latin forces there are trapped, surrounded by tow superior forces.

The US deploys a new weapon at sea called the submariner. This sub boat can go under the water and their use en masse and success has caused the breaking of the blockades on both US coasts.

In Canada the US Army continues to pull out. Although still officially at war with the British government the Unites States will retire to their former broders and will only defend ourselves if attacked.

In recent elections the US President Theodore Roosevelt has been re-elected. He promises to bring an end of the war on US terms.

US financing of the rebellions in Ireland, Paraguay, Uraguay and the Amazon continues behind the scenes.

	31-01-2003 20:46									#259
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Who currently controls (not just claims but actually has military forces there) Panama and Guatemala?

	31-01-2003 21:35									#260
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To: England, American Alliance, & USA
We would like to hold a peace confrence in Constantinople for you, this war is helping no one it takes men away from jobs to help improve you econ. As such we would like to offer terms that would help all involved.

1. An imideat stop to hostilitys
2. Self detmination for central america (even if that means they want to join the USA)
3. The payment of reperations to American Alliance, not in cash but in debt reduction. OCC: I beleave South American countries owed large debts to U.S. at this time.
4. Payment of reperations to england in cash as they are the only country the USA attacked.
5. Self determination for Canada if they stay a part of England or become independant. (This is open to being removed)

These terms can be discussed at and final terms hamered out at Constantinople.

To: France
Would you like to come and help at this.

	31-01-2003 22:45									#261
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To All Nations:
We urge you to seek a peacefull way to settle this dispute. Allthough we see that the United States needs to see reason. Allow all of Central America to be independent. The United States can still protect these countries and aid them.

	31-01-2003 23:14									#262
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OOC: I control Panama and Guatemala (with some Brazilian help).

To the World: We have tried over and over again to make a reasonable peace with the US. Every time they have refused. We will no longer make any peace on any terms but our own. Anything short of that will be letting the US win a war it started, refused to stop, and is clearly losing. Also, they continue to refer to completely democratic and legitimate governments as being dictatorships. Clearly, they do not understand what democracy is tehmselves.

To Cuba: This is not a land grab. We do not intend and never have intended to take any land from teh US mainland. We only wish to force them to surrender.

Argentinian forces in Florida have left and been convoyed to Louisiana. With the reinforcements, Brazilian and Argentinian forces on the Mississippi have surged forward and captured the area all teh way north to St. Louis.

Argentinian forces have developed a system to detect submarines, and a new type of ship they call "destroyers". With destroyers, tehy have taken control of the Gulf Coast and Coasts of Florida and Georgia.

In California, Argentinian forces have captured San Francisco. They have begun to help teh citizens there rebuild teh city from the earthquake a few years ago.

Argentinian projects etc. (Bold means Giovanni should look at):
Build armored recon planes (giving us a tiny airforce): 1 year
Economy->Stable: 6 months
Navy to Large: complete
Set up provisional government in Central America: complete
Provisional Central American government to set up permanent government: 5 years
Argentinian Diplomatic Postitions:
Russia: Friendly, Coalition against US
Germany: Normal
Austria-Hungary: Normal, coalition against US
Ottoman Empire: Cool
UK: Very Friendly, Coalition against US
France: Limited Alliance, Friendly
Japan: Normal
USA: Very Very Very angry, diplomatic relations cut off.
Brazil: Full Alliance, Very Friendly
Venezuela: Full Allaince, Friendly
China: Normal
Mexico: Normal
Ecuador: Cool
Central America: protecting independence, Very Friendly
Cuba: Friendly but falling

	31-01-2003 23:15									#263
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We don't want reparations. We just want this war to end with the U.S.'s recognition that they can't have any part of central america.

	01-02-2003 02:05									#264
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White Nations: July 1908

Small rapresentations from Guatemala, Panama, Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Honduras, Belize and El Salvador arrived at Costantinople to attend the peace meeting organized by the Ottoman Empire

Each state saying its own idea or position.

Panama: We don't like the US, and we don't like the Southerners either, we conquered our independence from Colombia, and later the US invaded us.
We will not be a vassal state to anyone anymore, not the US, not the Costa Ricans and not the Southern Americans.
We will be Panama, and we will be an independent state, as long as one panamese shall be alive, he will fight for the independence of his country, until we will be either independent, or dead.

Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Honduras and El Salvador: Well, There was something good that the US did, they unified us, and now our four states wish to remain unified in what will be the Central American Confederation.
Of course US citizens as well as any others from other countries in the world will be very welcome here.

Guatemala, Belize: during their occupation the US actually helped our people very much, and as our economy in now in shambles, and we surely don't trust those Costa Ricans and their confederation ideas, and we don't trust our Mexican neighbor either, we would like once more to ask to the US if we can became the 47th and 48th state of the United States of America.
(OOC: this will bring the American economy down as an effect of the adding of this poor and war devasted economies)

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Events:
- In Denmark, former Minister of Justice P.A. Alberti is jailed
The former justice minister is condemned to eight years in prison for millions of kroner's worth of embezzlement.
- Belgian Congo becomes property of the Belgian state
After 30 years of misrule, the Belgian Congo, hitherto private property of the Belgian monarchy, is handed over by King Leopold II to the Belgian state. The new order brings no noticeable changes in conditions in the colony.
- The Ottoman Empire gets a new administration
With an astonishing move, the Ottoman Sultan and the court united to decide about the new form of goverment of the empire, after several months of discussion they decided to form a federation along the lines of the Brazil-Peruvian Federation. With each state having the power over their local laws, and having a little senate of their own, but with a Federate Congress and Federation Laws so to keep on check the various local administrations.
With this new government Afghanistan have been fully integrated in the Ottoman Empire too.
The new freedom given to each state have accelerated the modernization projects started by the Sultan.
- Elections in Argentina
The CUP still hold the majority, but for much more little advantage over the Reformist which gained a couple of votes, but it is interesting to see how the Socialist Party have enormously gained in strenght from last elections, effectively making Argentina almost equally split in three different political views.
Here are the percentage results
Conservative Union Party: 39%
Reformist Union Party: 32%
Socialist Party: 26%
Isolationist Party: 3%

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	01-02-2003 02:27									#265
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OOC: What about the presidential elecitons?

Argentina refuses to send a delegation to Constantinople, and will not recognize any treaty made there.

	01-02-2003 02:55									#266
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The Presidential Elections where won by an alliance stipulated between the CUP and the Reformist, in doing this they have splitted the ministers between themselves, with the President being the leader of the CUP

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	01-02-2003 05:30									#267
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Cuba will not aid the US in the recapture of florida for 2 reasons

1. We do not have the manpower as we only have defensive forces
2. Some of our most important trade partners are involved there.

Cuba does strongly condemn agression against the U.S. or any other sovereign nation, and will not support any country who subjugates the peoples in the Carribean or Central America for long.

Cuba asks that powers in Europe aid in the struggle for liberty by providing financial or military capital (money or machinery) so that we may improve our economy or our defenses as the conflict which surrounds us seems to escalate.

To Brazil and Argentina: The United States of America have suffered enough, make peace with them and focus on the American economies, we can surpass our European roots if we only opt to stop squabbling amongst ourselves.

	01-02-2003 06:25									#268
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Brazil shares the same feelings as Argentina. We have laid out the peace terms. USA must surrender.

To Cuba:
We hold nothing against you. Brazil is the one nation that gave you control of Carribean islands except Puerto Rico, not the USA. The soldiers stationed in Cuba are there for war purposes and the defense of your newly created nation, I doubt the USA would have stood idly by if we had not taken action, they would have surely attempted to annex your barely born nation into their own territory. Because of the American-Alliance actions this was prevented and the USA conquest of Central America was also stopped. We will not weaken our stance against the imperialists. They must be stopped, they must take responsibility for their actions. Justice will be done.

The US must accept our terms, their stubborn pride is what drags this war on, they must swallow their pride and do what needs be done...the right thing to do.

	01-02-2003 06:31									#269
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To Cuba: What Brazil said!

In Argentina, Socialist and Reform leaders in Congress have been becoming increasingly unfriendly towards each other. The Socialists are so fixed on wanting teh war to end that they have been unable to reach a moderate liberal compromise domestic policy with the REformists. The president has said that he would veto any "unreasonable restrictions" on businesses passed by COngress.

	01-02-2003 09:59									#270
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We have sent delgations to the constantinople treaty.

We will pay the Canadian government, 1,000,000 dollars to cover the cost of the invasion. We shall pay the American Alliance nothing and they will owe us for the damge they have done.

We will gladly allow any Central or South American government to join our union, and will defend those who wish to remain independent.

We pay 500,000 to the Panamese for the activities of our soldiers and wish to sign a full alliance with them and the Union of Central America before too long.

The United States would like to announce a new alliance with Japan and has transferred the Philipines to that nation. The military bases of the US will remain in American hands. (occ: This should correct any difficulties on economy with the admittance of the Central American republics to the Union.)

We maintain that it was the tinpot Emperor's that started the war not us. We have not invaded them they have us.