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Yes please do... I always try and use psychology to judge people and their probable responses, and the PTWDG is just like a huge lab for this...

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Here was my speech on Psych, and the active list of GS at present as well as their positions:

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Greetings zeit,

I must admit, GS has been my personal favorite team to deal with. Always straight up and free of the games that are involved in some of the other teams.

As far as Jung is concerned, I have had no real formal training and only am able to read whatever I can get my hands on at the local library here, which is not always much.

I originally was interested in him due to my own heritage. I am 1/8 Sioux, and spent a year with a shaman on the reservation. I noticed many similarities between Jung and the Sioux religion. In addition, I have seen many things that he describes in action, such as the collective consciou(sp) and Collective Unconscious(sp).

Any sporting event can be seen as an experiment in the CC/CU in fact. To a smaller effect, so can a good horror movie. Your emotions and reactions simply run deeper because of the magnitude of people that are around you feeling the same way. Re: the sports, living here in Utah, I experienced this myself. I could care less for basketball. However, when the Jazz were in the finals a few years ago, I was fully caught up in the emotion that the entire town was feeling. It was quite interesting when I stepped back and examined it as such.

I have been surprised at how well the Internet can be a vehicle for these same experiences, and as such I predicted a 'personality' for the CC of each of the teams based on what I knew of the people who signed up. So far, I have been pretty accurate with the teams I knew most about (lego and vox had allot of strangers to me at the time). I often find myself needing to remove myself from the game a bit to get an objective view, though, since the GoW shapes my own perception, and perception IS your reality. That is what we are seeing, the different teams, how their CC perceives the game, and the different realities that are becoming apparant.

I have also been tracking how dominant leaders are effecting the perceptions of their teams. Togas is one such leader, and that team has definately blindly followed his lead. Ghengis may have been early on was as well, but GoW seems to be full of strong personalities, and some very interesting internal debates have arisen because of it, none of us are very willing to go with the flow so to speak and insisting on having our own perceptions recognized.

This is waxing long and I need to get my sons to bed.

Until later
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Dear UnO!

Please accept my apology for the delay, It's been a hectic day, and I've barely made it to finish my academic chores in time...

Thank you for the elaborate explanations of the Jungian'ism (is that an acceptable term?) as you it in the game. I always thought Jung mentioned the symbols and the collective uncs. as universal, but now that you mentioned it, it does make sense that in different cultures (and teams), different symbols and archetypes are menifested in different ways.

And now, for the official list of key-members. This are not "officials" in every sense of the word, as our team is run mostly by discussion and an attempt to reach consensus, but still:

Notyoueither- the founding father of the team, doesn't have any official duty, but he is sometimes looked on as the 'godgather'

Sir Ralph- once a dedicated in-game player, his activity has gown down over the last couple of months, and now is back up. A true Hawk.

Arrian and Thesues- the two co-generals of the GS army. They are always "to the point" and tend to spare the chit-chat.

nbarclay (Nahan)- Our never-sleeping player, and our talented chief economist. He was also our de-facto ambassador in Vox.

Aeson- a dedicated economist and analyst of the team, working alongside Nathan on the short and long-term planning of infrastructure and city planning.

DeepO- a gifted diplomat, who was once a white dove. He is now a bit closer to the dark side, after the traumatic war of Voxian agression.

ManaicStarSeed (MSS)- our newly appointed FAM, who was recently beack from a long exile.

That would be it.

I wish you success with your writing.

Zeit,
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I am so lost now.


Ghengis, I am usually in the Apolyton chat room (#GoW) every night after 9 or 10 EST. Catch me one of these days so I can better fill you in on what you've missed.

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Greetings from the Gathering Storm.

As you might have already known, Vox and the GS have recently begun talks in an attempt to end the conflict between us.

I'll just say that our team has decided that in order to end the war with Vox, they must leave the continent. This issue was presented to Vox, but was not discussed, as we have yet to recieve a response from them regarding this idea.

The public's opinion in this matter is also important for us. To be more precise and to the point: If Vox is to leave the continent, they must find have a chunk of land to settle on, this chunk of land would preferably be unclaimed territory, or an agreed upon location.

We wanted to ask you, what is your opinion in this matter, and if you have any suggestions for a suitable location

We would also want to know if you'd even support such a development, should it come into possible realization.

Cordially

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I have copied this information to our forums, and hope to have an answer to your inquiry soon.

Also, I wanted to aproach the subject of a possible chat again, I think it may have been lost with our conversation of psychology a bit. Is there a time that would work for GS members to be able to attend a Chat with GoW? We wish to discuss several things and feel a chat is the best forum in which to discuss them, but we also understand if this is impossible with the various schedules. If such is the case, I will attempt to discuss the matters at hand over the course of several PM's/E-mails.

Respectfully,
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Sounds as if they are willing to consider sending Vox to Legoland....

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Hmmm ..

All of my emails from Beta is then wantling to settle on the North East of Bob.
I suggested they talk to Lego...but he seems reluctant.

It is a difficult situation.

If we could use them as a vassel state (ie just produce tech for us, and send over warriors for us to use for GL hunting.) then I would agree.

But the truth is, we could never really trust them.
They need to relocate to Lego.


This is bizzare....
I send my email to Beta regarding "evacuation plans" to another continent.
And then all of a sudden, everyone is talking about it.

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According to my chat with Zargon, they haven't been contacted about Vox going to Legoland.

Vox is reluctant about pretty much everything these days.

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What guarantee does Vox have that GS won't charge and kill them off in Bob? To me Lego seems farther and safer. Plus, it's not like we could actually defend them against GS...

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This is bizzare....
I send my email to Beta regarding "evacuation plans" to another continent.
And then all of a sudden, everyone is talking about it.


Hmm.... perhaps you fullfilled my nightmare?

A few days (weeks) ago I had a nightmare about accidentally sending the ND chat log to BigFree (RP) since he is just above Borc in my mailing List...

could it have happened?

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Be also aware, That Beta has told us that GS always "encouraged" them to settle Bob. GS could be wanting to use them as a foothold onto Bob.

Either by vassel state or conquest at a later time. I suggest it is GS who is pushing Vox to move to Bob.

Unortho .. you have to chat with GS ASAP and tell them to start pushing Lego as a first choice.

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Honorable UnOrthOdOx.

I'm sorry for not attending the issue of a chat. The next week will be quite busy for me, but I think I can manage it. after the somewhat 'silent' period we've gone trhouh, with regard to foreign relations, I don't think I'll miss this opportunity.

I'll post about this in our board. In the meantime, can you send me the times suitable for your team?

Thank you, and kind regards

Zeit, Ambassador for the Gathering Storm.

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I hope things are proceeding well on your end.

It seems the best time for GoW to hold a chat would be:

22:00 New York time, converting that (assuming the program in my palm is correct) That is 02:00 GMT, 19:00 California time.

Would this be possible for GS?

Also, I wanted to impart to you the Agenda for the chat, so that we may all be on the same page and progess with something resembling efficiency. (ok, Im just an organizational freak, I find it much easier when everyone is prepared)

The Items that GoW wishes to discuss are as follows:

  1. The Status of War/Peace between GoW and GS

  2. The Status of Scientific Research

  3. The Status of Vox

  4. The Status of Bob


Is there anything that Gathering Storm wishes to add to this list so that I may be fully prepared to discuss it?

Respectfully,
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Dear UnOrthOdox:

Sorry for taking this long, it is only now that I can tell you for certain that we will be able to hold a chat, at 0300 GMT on this saturday 14/6/2003.

I hope this small change won't prevent you from attending.

Please add the following topic to your agenda:

-GS' oncoming harbor completion and the prospect of Luxury and Iron trade.

With thanks,
Zeit.


For all us Americans on Daylight Savings, this works out to 23:00 New York, 20:00 California (assuming this program on my palm is accurate)

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This would be Friday night for North America, am I correct?

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Yes.

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I hope all is fine in the lands of the Glory of War.

In an effort to solve the problem of the loss you and other teams will suffer from in the event of a Voxian demise, I have come up with an Idea to provide you with Engineering, without relying on Vox.

We were informed by ND that they are working on Engineering, and would acquire approximately when Vox plans to. ND expressed their willingness to sell us the tech, and hence the following idea, this was not discussed with ND yet, but a PM was also sent to them regarding this

This includes ND selling the tech for a very low price, to compensate the loss of gold resulting from any downpayment Vox has recieved from you. GoW would have to back down from the deal with Vox, but you have already expressed interest in getting the tech from us, so I don't see this as a big problem.

We were thinking that insuring a source for Eng. for everyone interested, would reduce the foreign interest in Vox's prolonged survival, except for weakening the GS, of course.

I hope you can see the possible benefits you can have from this: a safe source for a tech you are now not so sure you could have, this will also allow you more freedom in dealing with us in the future, or as GF would have said: "take less heat".

Please tell me if you are interested, and if you think this could work with the other teams.

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Many subtlties here.

GS is cofortable enough with their relations with ND that they are asking them to 'greatly discount' the selling of Engineering. Consider that relationship confirmed from GS now as well. Whether this is a full alliance or simply good relations is impossible to tell yet. Guess the chat was more effective at drawing this out than I originally thought...

What did we give Vox for Engineering? Was it as part of our assistance? was it the 30 gold?

Anyway, ND would probably straight trade for Chiv, maybe even throw in a bit o gold...

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What did we give Vox for Engineering? Was it as part of our assistance? was it the 30 gold?


our assistance plus 30 gold (gold not paid yet).

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We can still give Vox 30g .. even if we get engineering from a different source....thus we are honouring our contract.

I didnt know ND was studying engineering. I thought ND was going to get Engineering from us when we got it from Vox. Better check this. GS may have their facts wrong.

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I will feel out Darekill and borc, but my initial thought is that ND is getting Engineering from us and then planning on selling to GS. This is the typical transaction ND negotiates.

ND has been negotiating my Asylum with their team also.

(ND actually was trying to bring off of GoW and into joining their team.)

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I will feel out Darekill and borc, but my initial thought is that ND is getting Engineering from us and then planning on selling to GS. This is the typical transaction ND negotiates.

ND has been negotiating my Asylum with their team also.

(ND actually was trying to bring off of GoW and into joining their team.)



I'm not so sure about this because ND offered us to trade something for Engineering in our last chat. That means they really might be researching it.

heheh... so, are you thinking of a Glory of Demogyptica team?

That would be hilarious! But... if anyone assimilated anyone else, I would prefer we did them since China is a far better civ than Arabia...

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I think ND was going to get it off Lego, if they promised to remove their scout/horseman from their continent.

Lego was getting Engineering from Vox.



Vox has the entire market waiting for them to finish

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Yes, I think Vox are the only ones researching Engineering, or maybe the Barbarian Huts.

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OK, Ok.

I am back from my trip trying to get caught up on everything today. Ill get to the PBEM's tonight, I noticed them in my inbox, but didn't have time before work.

I did find something of mild interest in my PM box, though. I was asked not to relay the message, so I will place down the basics of it.

GS has challenged us (well, me particularly) to a battle of roleplaying/fun/story telling in the public forum. Glancing over there, it seems they have already begun. I don't know if they are intending to challenge everyone or not, but it is a good idea.

Ill have the next edition of my story out before the day is done. Feel free to begin your own, add seperate stories, whatever have you.

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See my plan in the Emperor Election thread, I think we could decimate them in theis contest.

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We need to come up with a time for our semi-regular chat. I can come up with an agenda before it happens no problem.

NYE has suggested Mon, Teus, or Wed as the best times for GS.

Are there any objections to one of those days at 03:00 GMT again?

Is there any particular day that works best?

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no objections... Wed would be the best day for me, as I'm finished exams then. But I can make it Mon and Tues... I won't be studying ALL night.

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FYI, those 'days' NYE was talking I believe were all for 0300...

So for North America Monday is Sunday, teus is monday, and wed is teusday....

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Sunday would be best for me, but as long as its in the evening/night I'll surely make it (unlike my drink-a-thon last week... )

 
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