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Nuclear Winter
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quote:
Re: Convert Sinners!!! The end of the World is coming!!!
Hello Dear NW. Yes it has been awhile. My apologies for our lapse in contact. We have been - er - very busy with the exodus from our homeland. But things are looking up. And with a brighter future, the people of Vox may value a depper spritual understanding of the world. I will approach them with your proposal, and if necessary, arrange that you can chat with the members.
As to engineering - it is up this turn. So we will put it on the table.
As to deals for luxuries - yes - we will be intersested. We will have none. It may be a few turns before we need them - but I'm sure we can reach a deal.
Also - I owe BF a closure note on Chivalry - which we do not have unfortunately - and will not have for some time.
Thank you again for your note. Please stay in touch.
Regards - Beta.
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Nuclear Winter
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quote:
Hello Beta, old chap,
I and my team really believe catholicism can give you guys peace of spirit to endure the harsh times your people are going through. We ourselves are in times of great danger and war mobilization in Spain, as the greedy Neu Demogyptians turn their greedy eyes toward lands that are spanish by right. To make things worse, there is even the rumours that Glory fo War is preparing to betray the old friendship it has with us in order to try and take itīs share of Spain... Of course, it is our job to make sure the Spannish Paella is a dish they wonīt taste...
As for the engineering deal, we in Spain would |
love to get, it, it could be THE tech to change the tides of the war to our side, but we also need to keep our coffers intact for war emergencies... so we humbly ask Vox Controli to give us the tech now, and let us pay it later, and to make this deal sweeter for your team, we have agreed to give you 2 luxuries now PLUSthe gold after the war is over. We believe your team will be compreensive with us and aid Spain in this times of need.
We would also like to schedule a chat with your team, so please tell me when you guys will be available, and we will be there.
Regards,
Nuke[/QUOTE]
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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:25
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My reply:
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Darekill,
Thank you for your very polite and sincere letter. What we told you was, and still is, true.
What we didn't tell you was that we have been trying to get GoW to fight you instead of us. It appears we have been unsucessful.  We knew they wanted to fight someone and we hoped it would be you.
Your team is noble and intelligent and I don't need to tell you that GoW will ultimately betray you, as they have betrayed us. We had a pact with them which they broke. Additionally they were negotiating with us a longterm alliance up until Monday which they used as a ruse to try to deceive us. Thankfully, my people are too distrusting and we have sufficient arms to repel their attack. 
We know you will strike, and although we hope you will reconsider, it appears too late for that. I just ask you to keep this in mind: Eventually, you and GoW are going to have to fight each other. It is inevitable and given their character it is likely that they will betray you before you even consider betraying them.
Do not leave yourself unguarded, and do not let them try to fool you, as they tried to fool us, with stories of long term alliances. They are not worthy or honorable allies. The greatest tragedy of this war is that you chose those backstabbing warmongers over us.
Should you ever decide to choose us, I just hope that it's sooner rather than later. We would love nothing more than to see them driven from this Earth and destroyed beneath the feet of their supposed ally ... just as they have done to us.
But, once again, thank you for your kind and courteous letter. I hold no grudges against you or your team.
--Togas
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:25
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My chat with OPD of Gathering Storm this morning:
opd> lo
Arnelos> hey
opd> hey hey
Arnelos> oddly, I have to talk to you about PTW1
opd> just taking in whats going on in ptw1
Arnelos> as for PTW2... it's been so long since the save moved that the save game thread fell off the front page
Arnelos> what's going on in PTW1 is that GoW sent their entire d*mn army across half the planet to attack us rather than defending themselves
opd> I think there may be a no comment from blanket from GS
Arnelos> as for ND, we knew they were planning to attack us for a while now
opd> how will things go?
Arnelos> well, ND is being slow about it... almost as though their attack is just for show
Arnelos> GoW has 10 riders and nowhere to send them unless they attack us or ND
Arnelos> it would take them AGES to get home
opd> 10 riders is that all
Arnelos> that's it
Arnelos> we can beat the riders if luck and tactics are on our side
Arnelos> they'll be stuck in jungle for at least 2 turns if they don't try to storm the mountain fortification... if they storm the mountain, they'll lose at least half of their riders doing that
opd> do you think any cities will fall?
Arnelos> I personally figure we'll lose Toledo to GoW if we don't get lucky with the moutain and jungle fighting
Arnelos> as for the ND attack, we have no idea since they haven't even arrived yet
Arnelos> the thing that's going for us is that darn jungle
Arnelos> 3 movement points swallowed per tile... which nullifies the advantage of their UU's until they get out of it
opd> I can't see their forces just being 10 riders
Arnelos> GoW only brought 10 riders. ND is the rest of it
Arnelos> the thing is... I believe 10 riders is all they have for a simple reason: their domestic development seems atrociously bad
Arnelos> I honestly think they've built little other than mil units and barracks the whole game
opd> really?
Arnelos> as far as we can tell... they're easily the last place civ in the world other than Vox now
opd> but they've hardly been in any wars
Arnelos> Bob has been a non-stop arms race the whole game
Arnelos> and GoW's capital... accounting for most of their production, has been busy very SLOWLY building the Great Library for ages now
opd> if you have cats the jungle will serve you well as a defencsive wall
Arnelos> our main problem at the moment is that our cats are too far away
Arnelos> it will take time to haul them up to the GoW front in the East
Arnelos> especially with all of those rivers
Arnelos> if ND attacks through the jungle, though... we can easily beat off a force of ~10 Ansars in the West... a lot easier than the GoW force in the EAst
Arnelos> the problem is long-term
opd> if they've just riders and no defence with jungle to cross
opd> the prob is GA'a?
Arnelos> we can certainly bleed GoW and ND of most of their initial armies, but their GA's will kick in and they'll eventually out-produce us unless we get help
Arnelos> yup
Arnelos> the thing is... we figure GS and Lego have a concrete interest in making sure any Bobian war is a bloodbath
opd> how so?
Arnelos> bleed as much of the ND and GoW GA's away as possible
Arnelos> make sure they're weak when the war is over so ND doesn't become an even larger superpower
Arnelos> that's basically our aim... we can't - long term - defeat a 2-front war... our goal is to bleed them as much as possible and hopefully (if it's possible) waste their GA's
Arnelos> we could do that a lot more effectively (even if we eventually get wiped out) if we get some help 
Arnelos> the best situation for us AND for people off-continent is that RP Team survives and Bob remains divided, leaving all 3 civs weak
Arnelos> but if we can't have that, we might as well bleed them for as much as we're worth
opd> do you think you'll be able to take any cities?
Arnelos> if they keep coming, yes
Arnelos> GoW might even be able to break through with a few riders in the intial rush
Arnelos> no idea how many Ansars ND has, so that's harder to gauge
opd> Nd is more of a power house
opd> how strong does the partnership of ND and GoW seem to you?
Arnelos> the thing is... the whole war makes sense for ND... they can conquer Spanish cities and have them be non-corrupt
Arnelos> for GoW, it makes almost zero sense
Arnelos> unless they've consciously decided that the game is over for them anywyas and they might as well play spolier
Arnelos> *spoiler
opd> I don't know about that
Arnelos> if GoW actually takes any RP territory, it's 20 tiles away... hopeless corrupt and with a powerhouse ND in between them and their new territory
Arnelos> ND can just turn around and wipe out whatever GoW claimed... then take over GoW
opd> GoW must move through ND land
Arnelos> assuming GoW doesn't backstab ND, of course
opd> ND have to be worried about that
Arnelos> we've been assuming all along that GoW was going to backstab ND
Arnelos> we put forces near Toledo to guard against GoW attack (and thank god for that), but we still half-figure they might just turn around and backstab ND
Arnelos> it's a collosal game of chicken
opd> the good news for RP is neither enemy can bring their full millitarty for fear of backstab
Arnelos> GoW wants ND to attack first so they can backstab ND rather than wasting their 10 riders against us... ND wants GoW to attack first to prove their serious
Arnelos> *they're
opd> I wouldn't trust GoW at all
Arnelos> we didn't... that's why we moved our troops up there
opd> MZ is the king of evil plans
Arnelos> well... we had MZ's "evil plan" pegged the whole time
Arnelos> from what they were saying, we knew a force of some riders, no idea how many, were headed south around ND and that ND was ok with this
Arnelos> we also already knew ND planned to attack us
opd> have lego commented yet
opd> You knew ND were going to????
Arnelos> Lego would like to help us, but they have not been specific
Arnelos> ND stopped all communication several turns back... we even sent them an offer for Ivory and they just never acknowledged it
Arnelos> given that they were scouting the border, it was pretty certain what was up
Arnelos> we'd already SUSPECTED they were going to attack us, but those two things confirmed it
Arnelos> the wild card was GoW... we didn't know whether they were going to backstab ND or attack us
opd> If you knew ND were going to attack why didn't you get GoW on your side?
Arnelos> we saw their force of riders 2 turns ago I think... GoW told us they'd backstab ND, told ND they'd attack us. We hoped they'd backstab ND, but assumed they'd attack us and sent troops up there
Arnelos> We *tried* to get GoW on our side
Arnelos> GoW pretended, but we didn't trust them
Arnelos> not with their riders still coming south
opd> You could have offered most of ND's land adn still be stronger than them
Arnelos> that's the thing... we DID
opd> hmmmn
Arnelos> we offered GoW *exactly* what they asked for... a 50/50 split of the continent
opd> wow
Arnelos> in fact, we were allied to GoW before this... technically, I think that alliance was broken when GoW declared war... we've had an MPP with them for ages
opd> I guess they must have a NAP with ND then
Arnelos> in fact, I think they renewed it somewhat recently (as insurance against ND)
opd> you had MPP?
Arnelos> GoW also asked for an offensive alliance against ND
opd> lol very slippery
opd> talk about untrustworthy
Arnelos> We've had an MPP with GoW since before the Lux war
opd> what???
opd> did ND know?
Arnelos> not sure if that's constant... it probably was broken for a period
Arnelos> nope
Arnelos> ND never knew to our knowledge
opd> and so did the MPP run out last turn?
Arnelos> I'm pretty sure the answer is no
Arnelos> pretty sure it's still active - minus the whole declaration of war thing
Arnelos> our NAP with ND ran out, though
Arnelos> they purposely declined to renew... one of MANY signs they were going to attack us
opd> are you saying that GoW broke a MPP
Arnelos> yes, I *think* that's exactly what GoW has done
opd> WTF
opd> when was it agreed?
Arnelos> ND has been completely honorable, though... they even apologized to us in PMs when they finally let us know they were declaring war
Arnelos> lemme check on the MPP
Arnelos> the latest post on a renewal says it will be active until 500 A.D. it looks like
opd> so how are they spinning this?
opd> are there any loop holes
Arnelos> lemme check the details of the treaties...
Arnelos> hmm... I can't find the original treaty, just the most recent proposals for the offensive alliance... I'm still looking... the thing is, the treaty itself was renewed so many times it's hard to find the original
opd> have RP made this clear in the main forum
opd> breaking a MPP is something that GS and everyone else takes v. seriously
Arnelos> you'll have to check with Togas on the exact timing
Arnelos> here's what Togas sent Darekill, though:
Arnelos> Your team is noble and intelligent and I don't need to tell you that GoW will ultimately betray you, as they have betrayed us. We had a pact with them which they broke. Additionally they were negotiating with us a longterm alliance up until Monday which they used as a ruse to try to deceive us. Thankfully, my people are too distrusting and we have sufficient arms to repel their attack.
Arnelos> ask Togas for confirmation, but I'm rather sure the MPP was still active
Arnelos> I believe it went through 500 A.D., but I'm not sure
opd> If the mpp was still active then you should get togas to post in the main forum
Arnelos> as I said, ND didn't break any agreements because they refused to renew the ones we had when they ran out a few turns back
opd> panzer is being quite slanderous about you too?
Arnelos> GoW, as I recall, was fine with renewing things and even signing new treaties
opd> you promised help to vox and lux?
Arnelos> no
Arnelos> we never promised anything to either of them as far as I know (though I don't know much about Vox)
Arnelos> RP participated in the joint chats where everyone was trying to help out first Lux, then Vox
Arnelos> but we never pledged to send anything to Lux and I don't think to Vox either (not sure, though)
Arnelos> hell, we knew it was folly
Arnelos> with Lux, GoW backstabbed them
Arnelos> we just realized we couldn't do anything... we specifically told Lux Invicta there was nothing we could do
opd> sorry it is GF sayin gyou promised them help
Arnelos> yeah... GF is... notoriously unreliable
Arnelos> I don't know the details of the Vox stuff
Arnelos> I wasn't around for that
Arnelos> I know we didn't send anything
Arnelos> for Lux, I was in that chat... we were actually honest about not being able to help, which Trip found disheartening. GhengisFarb was trying to see if Lux would sell GoW one of their cities in return for military assistance.... when Lux didn't play ball, GoW attacked the city (which Lux razed themselves)
opd> lol
Arnelos> of course, GhengisFarb is no longer in charge of Glory of War
Arnelos> so his sins are ancient history as far as we're concerned
opd> is he even in gow anynore
Arnelos> yes, I believe he is
opd> you remember inchon?
Arnelos> that was where GoW attacked you guys?
Arnelos> I don't think I was here for that
opd> where GS flanked vox
Arnelos> ah
Arnelos> nope
Arnelos> good name for it 
opd> are you prepared for an atempt at dropping units behind your lines by navy?
opd> vox weren't and that was the killing blow
Arnelos> true
Arnelos> the problem is that we don't have enough galleys at the moment - we'd have to build them... our hope is that Lego or you would do the honors of that part if it's possible
opd> btw is it possible to agree in game MPP and alliances yet
Arnelos> the other problem is that ND's forces are highly mobile... 3 move, plus a road network
Arnelos> alliances - yes, MPP - no
opd> we have an embassy with you now
Arnelos> oh?
Arnelos> oh, that's right... we could see your capital, but nothing around it until we traded maps
Arnelos> so of course we must have had embassies
Arnelos> just didn't think much about that
Arnelos> the thing is... GoW is by far the more dishonorable of the two (ND and GoW), but ND is the potential superpower
Arnelos> so it's a toss-up which one we need to concentrate on
Arnelos> personally, I figure we should concentrate on GoW's 10 riders... once we beat those, it will take GoW forever to reinforce
Arnelos> but the military strategy is up to dejon and Togas, not me
opd> BTW one think I always want to know
opd> why do you not rename any of your cities>
Arnelos> lol
Arnelos> it's the whole "roleplay" theme - the idea is to play *as* Spain
Arnelos> we actually have renamed all of them. The cities are named for the "region" we assigned the areas of our part of Bob
opd> nice
Arnelos> the fact that real Spanish cities largely have the same names as the Civ3 Spanish citylist is no coincidence
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Arnelos> probably Thud
Arnelos> he posted in RP today for the first time in a while
opd> was it a so whats new post?
Arnelos> lol
Arnelos> sorta... he posted in the Armageddon thread with something like that 
opd> the thread dedicated to starting armageddon
Arnelos> no, the thread dedicated to worrying about armageddon
Arnelos> we've had a lot of those
Arnelos> Bob has been in a non-stop arms race since the Lux war
Arnelos> everyone's stayed "average" to each other militarily for a very long time, but we've all been building units much of that time
Arnelos> that's why our land isn't fully settled... we couldn't afford to do that AND keep up in the arms race
opd> why would you need to be so involved in an arms race if you had a mpp with gow?
Arnelos> two reasons
Arnelos> 1 - We never trusted Glory of War to actually UPHOLD the MPP... this is Glory of War, afterall
Arnelos> 2 - Even if ND attacks us and GoW attacks them from behind, we'd still be attacked by ND first... and we'd like to have enough defense to repell the attack
Arnelos> which means that while we have enough force to rather easily repell GoW or ND by themselves, repelling both is going to be a mighty challenge... probably impossible
Arnelos> though we're certainly going to try
opd> war can be the best part of the game
Arnelos> if you're winning it, sure
Chat went on to other subjects after that.
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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:25
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PM from Unorthodox:
quote:
Togas,
I could really care less what you believe about the team. I am just here as ME right now, not GoW. I had some things I needed to say, as ME, not GoW. If you can't understand that, fine.
I can't reverse our decision now. The time for that passed when the team rejected your first proposal and decided to join in this insanity. I asked for the revisions simply because no one believed you would even consider them. I wanted to prove RP was not stupid enough to not consider them since they were the best opportunity for a win. I wanted to prove we are wrong here.
This makes no sense, you are right. I agree. An impossible boarder to defend, assuming we can actually break this fortress you have built and that GS simply doesn't come wipe us out now while we are occupied elsewhere. A GS/ND alliance is now simply screaming to be made, if it hasn't been already, leaving us with no iron, and therefore no way to defend.
I am, however, stuck on a team that feels otherwise. I just feel that if I had started complaining about how we were handling things earlier, given us time, and gotten that second proposal in before it was too late, I may have persuaded our team otherwise as well, that is all I wanted to say. I only have so much time to devote to demo games, it was not enough in this instance.
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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:25
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my PM to Unorthodox:
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Unorthodox,
I'm sorry if I seemed too harsh with you in my previous email. This whole debacle has been extremely frustrating from my end as I've searched for both a logical explaination, and for a means to change a few minds.
Let me make one thing clear to you and please tell this to your team: NOTHING is set in stone. For you or for us. If opinions should change, new opportunities arise, or reluctance creep in, we welcome a talk and welcome future negotiations.
Sure, I'm going to be a bit p*ssed off in the beginning of the talks (so I'll probably have one of my calmer teammates talk), but ultimately I belive in reason over pride. What matters to me is what is best for Spain and I will do anything and everything I can to see to it that Spain survives and flourishes. Except, of course, if we are to live as Vox, slaves and exiles. None of us could stand that. I believe we would rather be eliminated from this game than to suffer on in apathy.
I still wish we could avoid all this. Hell, is there any real harm in sending those Ansars back and attacking Mavdad? Would it be such a bad thing for your team to change it's mind? One good betrayal deserves another 
Anyhow, thanks for the PM and for your time.
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:25
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RP-GS Chat: The Offer
E_T> Hello
opd> allo allo
E_T> Arnie and BF need to talk to as many GS people as is possible
opd> I will see what I can do
opd> well I'll contact nye
E_T> Is Tuberski a GS memeber?
* BigFree has joined #WWB
BigFree> hey
opd> hey hey BF
opd> happy birthday
* E_T sets mode: +o BigFree
BigFree> thanks
BigFree> can I have a present?
opd> no
Arnelos> hey
BigFree> maybe about 10 Galleys full of MI's
BigFree>
BigFree> LOL
E_T> or war chariouts
opd> I think perhaps nye is busy
BigFree> seriously though, what would it take to get GS as our Ally?
opd> you didn't summond me here to ask that did you?
Arnelos> BF - should I lay out what we've seen this turn?
E_T> I tried to get MSS in here, too
opd> wow
BigFree> yes, we know you are the 'real' power behind GS
Arnelos> we do?
opd> I'm going to have to edit that out
BigFree> Yes Arnelos
Arnelos>
E_T> Tell all Arnie
Arnelos> ok... ND has moved 28 military units either into our territory or into the jungle
opd> I'd be amazed if you could get MSS
opd> wow 28!!!!!
Arnelos> given the size of militaries and that we are still "average" to ND, we figure this leaves a skeleton defense in ND's cities
E_T> Arnie, it is a settler
opd> what is the make up of the forces
Arnelos> GoW has now 14 riders on our border, most of which were probably upgrades. This means that most of their money was spent upgrading horses to riders rather than spears to pikes... they probably have a small force of spears defending home. THey're probably counting on their GA funding more upgrades.
E_T> 10 ansars
BigFree> We can send screen shots if you like
opd> are you average or strong compared to GoW
BigFree> we are pulling out the stops here
BigFree> average
Arnelos> It would take GoW at least 8-10 turns to send their 14 riders home
Arnelos> We are average to both of them, have been for a very long time
opd> screen shots would be cool
BigFree> if it were just one of them against us, we can handle it, but with two, and both using their UU's and going into a GA; boy, that is trouble.
Arnelos> My theory is that both of them have every single military unit at their disposal toward this attack... it's an attempt at overwhelming force, and not a bad one. But it leaves their home cities woefully undefended
E_T> the main stack is 10 ansars, 3 pike, 4 MI and 1 settler
opd> 1 stlr?
Arnelos> the part about their home cities being "woefully undefended" while their ENTIRE armies are south of the jungle means that even if they were attacked, it would take time for their armies to get home
Arnelos> even a considerably small force landed in the north could probably do untold amounts of damage to their economies
opd> have you calculated their maximum possible amount of troops
E_T> we think they are going to open up part of the jungle with it and have an open point into our lands
Arnelos> calculated possible max units, haven't had time yet... just got the save a bit back... still collecting stuff
E_T> Oh, does Vox have any military left, or did they disband it all??
opd> they still have some
E_T> BF has to go to work in 5 minutes
BigFree>
E_T> are they in route to their new land??
opd> don't they know it's your b-day
BigFree> HAHA
E_T> maybe they can land and attack, too?
opd> I think so
opd> lol
Arnelos> given how underdefened GoW must be... it's a possibility, especially on GoW's island
E_T> get a new land, better than Lego is giving them
opd> hmmmmn
BigFree> Yes, GoW land can become Vox Land
BigFree> LOL
E_T> Arnie, the only route thaty have to get there is right north of GoW
Arnelos> E_T, their galleys are headed past it en route to the land Lego is giving them anyhow
Arnelos> they have to... no other way but across ocean I believe
E_T> Yes, so they can "drop off" a little bit sooner
Arnelos> which would help solve their money problem
Arnelos> the problem is obviously GoW retaliation down the line... Vox isn't dumb enough to do it if GoW will be strong enough to retaliate
E_T> but with everyone else helping, it would be a possibility
BigFree> adios
Arnelos> but if GS were to invade Bob for their OWN reasons, given the sheer level of under-defense in the entire northern part of the continent and GoW's entire army being in RP territory across the map...
opd> later BF
BigFree> time to go to work for me, see you all later.
E_T> it's not something to be discounted
* BigFree is now known as BF|Away
E_T> and as far as I know, they are still mostly under GS controll, right OPD??
opd> omg MSS has sent me a PM
E_T> and ??
opd> he hasn't a clue whats going on
opd> he is busy too I think
Arnelos> OPD - here's the thing... with 28 ND units and 14 GoW riders either in or on our borders, even with our sizable military, we can't beat THOSE odds unless our luck is in the absolute extreme. We are at the point where we would be willing to basically offer GS what they want for intervention... including becoming a "vassal state" as Togas put it
opd> hmmmn
opd> what did Togas say?
Arnelos> We can certainly eat up much of their militaries, but we can't beat it all
Arnelos> those are actually Togas' words... "vassal state"
E_T> ArnCiv3> basically, our only route out of this is to become GS' satellite state... but I'm willing to do that if it thwarts ND and GoW and keeps Spain around
E_T> E_T> And they will lose the Lux trade, too
E_T> Togas> I'll sign off on that.
E_T> Togas> We could be a Vassal of GS
opd> interesting
opd> GS fully understands the way things are with regard to this war
Arnelos> because we can certainly eat up a lot of those attacking forces, but in the end, we'll lose
E_T> against both, with their GA's, no way at all
opd> Are you saying that you're willing to forgo any chance of winning the game to see ND and GoW defeated?
Arnelos> we can certainly try to bleed away and waste as much of their GA's as possible, but in the end, our GA can't start unless we get a GL for the Sistine (and get lucky) or get Navigation
Arnelos> OPD - yes
E_T> and you can bet that one or the other will become the super power if that happens
Arnelos> OPD - with this double invasion, our chances of winning the game are already sunk
Arnelos> at this point, we have to find a patron and help them out
opd> Are you willing to agree to a "untill the end of the game" agreement with GS?
Arnelos> That is exactly what we are saying
opd> ok here is how things should move
opd> Togas must send an email to nye with regard to what has been said here
E_T> we will help you monitarily, we will help you militarily, we will help you research wise, we will give you workers, ect...
Arnelos> I'd think the first thing would be all of our luxes
E_T> brb
E_T> we arfe already tradin g
Arnelos> not all of them with GS, I believe
E_T> we are already trading them luxes and were to get them more, but for the war...
E_T> Everything but Ivory and spices
opd> Now I'm excited
Arnelos> lol
E_T> we just got the Ivory connected and have had to move away from the spices for other things
opd> So I'm guessing Lego has not exactly been forcoming with help
Arnelos> well, we have 3 more ivory unconnected
Arnelos> Lego is willing to help, but we figure they'll only send money and tech
E_T> We can send them Ivory this turn
Arnelos> money and tech are nice, but we're sunk if that's all we get
opd> How willing are you to hurt lego?
Arnelos> OPD - look... if we become a vassal of GS, does that really matter?
E_T> Lego really hasn't been much of a help at all, as they know that a peacefull Bob is the worst thing for them'
opd> ok
opd> so like I said Togas should send an email to nye stating all that has been stated here
opd> addressed to GS
Arnelos> The main reason to keep us around is to keep Bob weak and divided. If the goal is to also attack Lego, sure. But we'll obviously need a while to rebuild for such an endeavor
Arnelos> alright, Togas is currently driving home from work in RL
E_T> Realistcly, GS is out of reach of them until Navigation, but anyone on Bob can be in Lego real quick
this is not some self gratifying thing it is the neccessary procedure
Arnelos> no, we understand
E_T> Or, NYE can send it to Togas, He will sign off on it, as you have seen
Arnelos> E_T... well, if GS and RP have a ROP, GS can send galleys around our south shore without incident or even comment to other civs ;p
opd> Lego is for the future
E_T> GS can cross the path much faster, too
Arnelos> for now, the main goal is to keep Bob weak and divided...
* E_T is now known as E_Tcigare
Arnelos> RP is already going to be weakened by this war, as will the invading militaries of our enemies. The only thing remaining is to damage their economies.
E_Tcigare> back in a bit
opd> good idea ET
opd> do you mind?
Arnelos> huh?
E_Tcigare> No, go ahead...
Arnelos> yeah, go ahead
E_Tcigare> OPD is also going to have a smoke
Arnelos> lol
* E_Tcigare .
opd> cheers I need a min to take this in
opd> good idea ET
opd> do you mind?
Arnelos> huh?
E_Tcigare> No, go ahead...
Arnelos> yeah, go ahead
E_Tcigare> OPD is also going to have a smoke
Arnelos> lol
* E_Tcigare .
opd> cheers I need a min to take this in
Arnelos> E_T - do you have a log of all of this?
Arnelos> ('cause I'm manually copying it into one at the moment)
Arnelos> ok, copied everything into a log
opd> back
E_Tcigare> I should have a log
* E_Tcigare is now known as E_T
E_T> yes, I do
opd> ok alot has been said here
opd> what you're proposing is likely to decide the outcome of the whole game
E_T> Arnie, can you start filling OPD in on the Geo-political situation on our contenant?
Arnelos> what exactly do you mean?
E_T> it's beet that we side with someone who can win than to lose completely
E_T> all of our conjectures about ND and GoW
Arnelos> ah
E_T> all of the things that GoW and ND have been doing
E_T> the "evil plan" that is likely unfolding
Arnelos> the largest problem for the GoW-ND "alliance" is that it's very fragile. The only thing holding it together at the moment is a desire to steal RP land.
Arnelos> GoW and ND don't trust each other at all... both played a game of chicken when they approached our borders... both sides wanted the other one to attack first so they couldn't be backstabbed
Arnelos> finally, they jointly declared war in public at the same time... but GoW first
Arnelos> ND has fully committed it seems nearly every military unit they have, but GoW has been dodgy... they haven't really moved in yet, just sorta moving about on our border
Arnelos> We believe GoW wants ND to attack us so that they can backstab ND while RP is weak
opd> I see
Arnelos> In fact, that is what we have believed all along... but GoW has had to "prove themselves to ND" by actually declaring war on us and moving their riders into our territory. They have not attacked, we believe, because they want to fight us on the cheap... their real target is ND
E_T> GoW could have attacked us, what, 2 turns ago?
E_T> ISDG save is here, back in a bit
Arnelos> so it's possible that GoW will destroy one city of ours, then turn around and attack ND
Arnelos> thing is... they saw our stack of pikes and MI come out to meet them and they immediately retreated around to attack another city (1 pop, little defense)
opd> hmmmn
opd> so you think GoW is going to backstab ND
Arnelos> but with the full commital of ND forces, it's questionable whether ND will be able to defend themselves if GoW attacks in the next 2-3 turns
Arnelos> We've thought that GoW was planning to backstab ND once the ND-RP war started for a long time... we still think that's the plan... they had to alter it when ND got suspicious
opd> yes but if you think the alliance is going to split then why are you offering to become a GS vassal?
Arnelos> 2 reasons
Arnelos> 1 - our forces are split on two fronts... even if one of those fronts evaporates, ND is going to push through the other front with their 28 units and do serious damage to our main production center
Arnelos> That puts us far enough down in long-term potential that we're going to need a patron anyhow
* nye has joined #WWB
Arnelos> 2 - GoW may actually still attack in order to raze our 2 cities in the East before turning around
opd> lo nye
Arnelos> hey NYE
nye> hello
nye> i will be idle, mostly. available again later
Arnelos> ok
* E_T sets mode: +o nye
opd> to recap
Arnelos> The thing is... we're seeking clarity for the endgame. If we know that our chances of actually *winning* the game are sunk, the next best thing we can do is attach ourselves to a potential winner and do everything we can to make sure THEY win
opd> OPD - here's the thing... with 28 ND units and 14 GoW riders either in or on our borders, even with our sizable military, we can't beat THOSE odds unless our luck is in the absolute extreme. We are at the point where we would be willing to basically offer GS what they want for intervention... including becoming a "vassal state" as Togas put it
E_T> Arnie, we will need to make an Embassy with GS to get the RoP
Arnelos> we already have an embassy
opd> opd> Are you saying that you're willing to forgo any chance of winning the game to see ND and GoW defeated?
opd> Arnelos> we can certainly try to bleed away and waste as much of their GA's as possible, but in the end, our GA can't start unless we get a GL for the Sistine (and get lucky) or get Navigation
opd> Arnelos> OPD - yes
opd> ok sorry about that
Arnelos> NYE needs the recap, keep posting quotes if you want
opd> I think thats it
nye> thanks
opd> should this happen it may be possible for RP to strike the killing blow to GoW and ND
Arnelos> E_T> Tell all Arnie
Arnelos> Arnelos> ok... ND has moved 28 military units either into our territory or into the jungle
Arnelos> opd> I'd be amazed if you could get MSS
Arnelos> opd> wow 28!!!!!
Arnelos> Arnelos> given the size of militaries and that we are still "average" to ND, we figure this leaves a skeleton defense in ND's cities
Arnelos> E_T> Arnie, it is a settler
Arnelos> opd> what is the make up of the forces
Arnelos> Arnelos> GoW has now 14 riders on our border, most of which were probably upgrades. This means that most of their money was spent upgrading horses to riders rather than spears to pikes... they probably have a small force of spears defending home. THey're probably counting on their GA funding more upgrades.
opd> if that is something you'd like
Arnelos> we'll see
Arnelos> I don't think that's as important as that the job gets done
Arnelos> we'll cross the bridge when and if we come to it
opd> ok as this is kinda important
opd> Other members of GS must be informed
Arnelos> that's fine
opd> also I gotta go to bed
Arnelos>
opd> So leave you with nye
Arnelos> ok, I've got to log the latest parts of this... my log currently only runs up to when E_T ducked out the last time
nye> oh oh. i am mid turn in isdg.
nye> i have to blast back to work to lock up. i can return between 9.30 and 10.30 or so
E_T> that's o.k., hopefully OPD can get a few more GS people in here
E_T> OPD, can you e-mail them to come here?
Arnelos> ok, log updated
opd> I emailed SR but I guess he's asleep
Arnelos> NYE - Togas should be online later
opd> will try Nbarclay
Arnelos> he's currently driving home from work
nye> better to reconvene a bit later
E_T> We will be here
nye> ok. i will return later
E_T> we aren't going to play our turn for a while atill
E_T> *still
Obviously, should GS actually give us a treaty of such a sort to sign, such a treaty will need to be agreed to by the House of Lords before being enacted and signed by the King on behalf of Spain.
Everyone is welcome to comment on this and our military situation in the forum, of course. This is not final if people have strenuous objections.
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Acampo, CA
Oct 1999
time: 21:25
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Chat with nye of GS; Semi-confidetial:
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Session Start: Sat Jul 19 01:34:01 2003
Session Ident: nye
[01:34] BigFree- hey nye, you busy?
[01:34] nye- i have a moment
[01:34] BigFree- just wanted you intial thought on proposal Arnelos sent you
[01:34] BigFree- I though it was long
[01:35] nye- it is a good start
[01:35] nye- it is being received well
[01:36] BigFree- cool
[01:36] nye- have you played the turn yet?
[01:36] BigFree- you have my personal word that RP will be forever alligned with GS
[01:36] BigFree- no
[01:36] BigFree- tommorow
[01:36] BigFree- we will not be gifting anycites to Lego btw
[01:37] nye- ok
[01:37] nye- we are leaning towards accepting. i did not want to say so. i wanted something more dramatic...
[01:37] BigFree- they have some sort of agreemnet with either GoW or ND about not interfereing
[01:37] nye- 'we are coming'
[01:37] BigFree- LOL
[01:37] BigFree- I will keep it hush then
[01:38] nye- well, feel free to relay it.
[01:38] nye- we have some concerns, but nothing major. i think
[01:38] BigFree- this makes for wonderful role play
[01:38] BigFree- which im sort of blah about
[01:38] BigFree- those guys wear me out
[01:38] nye- i think it does.
[01:39] BigFree- sometimes I wanna talk business
[01:39] BigFree- and al the do is "play"
[01:39] BigFree- *all they
[01:39] nye- i understand
[01:40] nye- all we do is talk, and all i want is a decision
[01:40] nye-
[01:40] BigFree- LOL
[01:41] nye- btw. re defence of Espana
[01:41] nye- can i chat with et and dejon before the turn?
[01:42] BigFree- yes, we plan to play tommorow
[01:42] nye- some things have occured to us. we would like to advise on
[01:42] BigFree- ET has not been that active in RP lately
[01:42] BigFree- cool
[01:42] BigFree- thanks
[01:42] nye- who is moi?
[01:42] nye- as i said, we are leaning towards the alliance
[01:42] BigFree- we willbe adding a worker to Zara
[01:43] nye- excellent!
[01:43] BigFree- WB
[01:43] nye- that was one of the points
[01:43] BigFree- size 7
[01:43] BigFree- yep
[01:43] BigFree- we are tyring to get some for Santiago
[01:43] nye- if the wall still perssists, you gain 50% to the pikes
[01:43] BigFree- yes
[01:43] BigFree- thnaks for thinking of us
[01:43] nye- is toledo threatened in the nest turn?
[01:43] BigFree- I only brought this up to Togas yesterday
[01:44] BigFree- no, Toledo is safe
[01:44] BigFree- Bilbao is threatened
[01:44] nye- no riders within range? good
[01:44] BigFree- actually, Bilbao is doomed
[01:44] BigFree- we have no units there
[01:44] nye- also. is that galley loaded?
[01:44] BigFree- I think not
[01:44] nye- too bad.
[01:44] BigFree- it unloaded it appears to us
[01:44] nye- we might have been able to rush some cats to you
[01:45] BigFree- it migh be, but we think not
[01:45] nye- chessey, but possib;e
[01:45] nye- no. your galley
[01:45] BigFree- ah
[01:45] BigFree- no, our galley is empty
[01:45] nye- ok. too bad
[01:45] BigFree- Im curious
[01:46] BigFree- how the heck would that help?
[01:46] nye- if it had a horse...
[01:46] nye- we tell you where to land
[01:46] BigFree- wait
[01:46] BigFree- you mean the Galley on you side?
[01:46] nye- yes
[01:46] BigFree- oh
[01:46] BigFree- yes
[01:46] BigFree- it is loaded
[01:46] nye- horse?
[01:46] BigFree- two horse
[01:46] nye- would you like to get them home sooner?
[01:47] BigFree- mostdefinately 12:4)1
[01:47] nye- ok. if gs accepts the cheese tactic. which could happen
[01:47] BigFree- LOL
[01:47] nye- we tell you where to land
[01:47] nye- you land
[01:47] nye- we gift a city to you
[01:47] nye- there are a couple of cats parked next to it
[01:48] nye- you accept the city
[01:48] nye- declare war
[01:48] nye- take the cats and go into the city
[01:48] nye- wuthg the cats and the horse
[01:48] nye- you offer peace and the city, accepted
[01:48] nye- we accept.
[01:48] nye- poof
[01:48] BigFree- wow
[01:49] BigFree- I get it
[01:49] nye- horse and cats in pamplona
[01:49] BigFree- NICE
[01:49] BigFree- hehe
[01:49] nye- yes
[01:49] BigFree- that is way cool
[01:49] nye- we are lookingat all ways we can help
[01:49] BigFree- thanks
[01:49] nye- before the main force can arrive
[01:50] nye- we are looking at the treaty arne sent at facevalue
[01:50] nye- most of us
[01:50] BigFree- cool
[01:50] nye- there are still some suspicious few
[01:50] BigFree- do you know arnenlos personally?
[01:51] nye- no
[01:51] BigFree- too bad
[01:51] BigFree- but youknow me and Togas
[01:51] nye- he is a good guy. i can tell form hoiw he is regarded by others
[01:51] BigFree- good
[01:51] nye- i must go.
[01:51] nye- what i have mentioned is not definite
[01:52] BigFree- we give our out of game promise that will will honor the "end of game" alliance
[01:52] nye- we must chat tomorrow
[01:52] BigFree- cool
[01:52] BigFree- let me get a time for you
[01:52] nye- i accept, bf. gs is another matter
[01:52] BigFree- undserstood
[01:52] nye- i will be up after 2pm msd
[01:52] BigFree- ok
[01:52] nye- bye
[01:52] BigFree- adios
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Reads too many books...
Oct 2001
time: 23:25
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Sir Ralph sent this to me:
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Your Holiness,
please accept a humble greet from your lowly servant Frater Ralphus, missionary of the Holy Catholic Church in the Lands of the Storm. As you know, our warriors are crossing the sea to help fighting the black and the yellow plague, threatening the Holy See and the whole nation of Spain. As their shepherd, I am always with them, to give spiritual assistance in the hardships of the battle. Please forgive them, Your Holiness, that they are heathens and don't yet believe in The Holy Trinity of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They still worship their own deity and call it the Holy Chicken. We will have hard work with them, but are not without hope.
They are mighty warriors and with no doubt will fight bravely for Spain and crush her treacherous enemies. This way, they also do their service to the Holy See and the whole Holy Catholic Church. Albeit nonbelievers, they deserve your blessing. May I humbly ask you to consecrate them and their glorious campaign? I hope, you are pleased with my hard work and may be one day will award me with the title of the Archbishop or even Cardinal of the Storm.
Your humble servant
Frater Ralphus, missionary of the Storm
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To which I responded thus:
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Good and true son of the Church,
I thank you for you kind letter. May God bestow His manifold blessings upon you and your flock!
My good and true friend and brother in Christ, I officially appoint you the sixth Cardinal of the Curia and Missionary Bishop of Egypt. Either I myself or the Archbishop of Spain and Missionary Bishop Polaris Winterius [Nuclear Winter] shall send a private messenger to you with the news on all official polls in the Madrid Curia, and you can cast your vote that way (that is, hopefully, until weve managed to figure out a way to get such things done in the general forum or something to that effect). In this position, you may vote on Papal elections and on decisions of the House of Cardinals. In fact, I am working on plans now to open a thread in the general forum to formerly allow free discussion by members of the Curia from all different countries. I would welcome any suggestions on how this may be effectively done.
As Missionary Bishop, you shall appoint fellow members of your country, trusted disciples of Christ, as priests or bishops of different provinces of Egypt. Also, you shall try your best diplomatically to convert other nations to Christ once the Church is firmly established in Estonia.
Also, let me stress how very pleased the Church by such warm reception in your lands. We shall certainly be very glad to bless and consecrate the forces under the command of Egypt in this campaign, and they shall carry with them the Papal Banner. I have sent along the flag of the Vatican so that it may be flown with the other colors of the bannermen. Even in such a war, God shall be glorified, for the oppressive Arabs and Chinese have long directed aggression towards the One True Faith and towards the True Cross. As such, the joint war of the Spanish and Egyptians armies has been declared by the Curia to be a great crusade.
Finally, I appoint you the third paladin of the Church, and have sent along a burly bodyguard of Swiss Guardsmen.
Thank you again for your letter. Go with my blessings, friend and brother. May God protect you.
I send greetings to my Christian brothers in Egypt and to the King of that fair country.
Pope Calixtus I
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The chicken idolators are coming to the true faith!
Also, Persia has just converted, according to Missionary Bishop Winterius. It's official!
Pope Calixtus I
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History Guy
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Reads too many books...
Oct 2001
time: 23:25
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Theseus sent this to me:
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His Holiness the Pope Calixtus I,
Your Eminence, I am a simple man.
I speak not with the flowery words of the diplomat. I speak most often with the coarse language of the battlefield, and, infrequently, of a rhetoric to stir my men's souls.
For some time now, I have been... distraught. As your Holiness may not know, I lost my two sons, valiant young men, in the battle with Vox at Arashi9. Since that evil day, my life has been an empty shell; even watching the final elements of the Voxodus unfold has brought but a small spark of pleasure to me.
This Grand Alliance between Spain and Egypt, however... it has woken something in me, a desire and growing hunger for the world. I wonder if this is not fate, if this indeed does not mean something more than just politics and war, but if the Alliance, and the exposure to your ways and beliefs, might not have meaning for me personally.
I question my long-held belief in Chickenism, and wonder whether your way, following the teachings of Cathol, might be in my future. I would learn of you and from you...
But while I have had my eyes opened to these new wonders... that they be threatened by heathens such as these Chinese and Arabs, why, my anger BURNS on your behalf, and I will not stand for it!
Simply put, my sword is at your feet, in the hope that you will accept my defense.
* Theseus kneels and bows, holding out sword for blessing and benediction
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To which I responded:
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My dear friend and brother in Christ,
Bow not to me, for after all, I am but a man. It is to the cross that you must bow, for there is ever man's salvation. I only preside over the Church in the place of Christ, before whom ever knee shall bend.
Brother, I am moved by your story. You are clearly and good and honest man, and a true Christian man at that. What does it matter that you speak coarsely to your men? As a soldier, you are expected to do so. Surely, priests of the Church don't speak thus from the pulpits, but no one expects them to. A general speaks thus because his men speak thus, and the men look up to the general and wish to be like him, and likewise, the general wishes to be like his flock so that they will trust him, and when they trust him, there is no place that they will not storm for him. I commend you for your integrity as a man and a soldier. May God shower his blessings upon you and your men!
I deeply grieve over the loss of your two sons. It is a sad time in which we live, when children are buried by parents. But remember that this vale of tears is but a shadow, and that God knows and sees all. Behind a frowning providence He hides a smiling face.
I rejoice at the opening of thy eyes, brother. The Lord does great things, truly. Is there anything that He would not do for sinful man?
Come closer, my son.
*Theseus kneels for baptism. The Pope pours water over his head, and marks him with the Sign of the Cross.
I seal you with the Holy Spirit. Rise, all your sins have been washed away.
I bless you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.
Take with you this banner, my banner. Fly it above thy regiment as you march into battle. Let they who seek to bring this world to ruin know that God will not allow them to win this war.
My son, I appoint you as the second and final paladin of the Church in Egypt. Cardinal Ralphus serves with you as a paladin. You are a crusader of the Church. Know now that you are Paladin Theseus of the Order of St. Michael. I also appoint you a Cardinal of the Church if you wish to have the position. There shall be, in all, five cardinals appointed to the Curia from Egypt, just as there are five in Spain. Will you honor me by accepting, my friend and brother?
God's Will be done!
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Togas
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California
Jun 2002
time: 21:25
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Ah, the joys of public chat...
This little snippit from a conversation with MasterZen and ZargonX. There's some very useful intel here:
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MasterZen> If my money is intact, I'll be so happy I'll probably make peace with Roleplay
MasterZen> (ok..not)
Togas> we could always give you guys a city or two for peace
MasterZen> how about 5 or 6?
Togas> The only way you'll ever get *1* is if we give it to you.
ZargonX> ooh... nasty time!
MasterZen> ah so you'll gift them all away once we get close?
Togas> 
MasterZen> and forfeit the game to GS?
MasterZen> geez, at least give them to Lego..
Togas> Lego were a bunch of *****es (ZargonX excluded)
ZargonX> :P
MasterZen> hahahaha
Togas> Didn't want any cities, were afraid ND would beat their ass.
MasterZen> the Army of The Glory of War will guarantee the security of any city gifted to Lego in our front
Togas> LOL!
ZargonX> that's what I like to hear
MasterZen> and I'm serious.
Togas> Talk to Lego, then.
Togas> Zargon can verify that we offered 'em up to them.
MasterZen> YOU should talk to lego. we already did.
MasterZen> and our offer stands.
MasterZen> I would much rather have Lego get a shot at winning this game than GS
Togas> Vondrack said "sorry, we can't take them .... blah blah blah ...
MasterZen> you should have gifted them TO US then
Togas> hell no
MasterZen> after all, you just didn't want Bilbao razed right?
Togas> you guys get gold if you raze it.
MasterZen> for humaitarian reasons you could have declared the city an open city
MasterZen> gold is the last thing we need right now
ZargonX> Well Togas, situations in this game are always changing...
Togas> we're intentionally being as vicious and spiteful as possible.
MasterZen> sure but in the process giving the game away to the team NOONE wants them to win?
Togas> Lego had their chance...
Trip> scorched earth! 
MasterZen> hahaha
MasterZen> anyway, like I said cities gifted to Lego will be respected. I leave both of your teams with that though. CIAO..
* Togas looks to Zargon
MasterZen> (at least on our front :P)
Togas> If your team changes your mind, please let us know
MasterZen> please Zargon, change your mind. Don't give the game away
MasterZen> GS with a foothold on Bob... 
Trip> hahahahaaaaaaaaaa
MasterZen> plus, Bilbao with sea access.... DAMN YOU ROLEPLAY! (one more reason for wiping ye out)
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And this little bit immediately after:
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ZargonX> Togas, if the offer is indeed serious, I will take it to the team once again
ZargonX> as I said, situations have changed, and they may be of a different mind, now
Togas> Let me know if you guys change your mind.
ZargonX> democracy is fun, isn't it
Togas> We went to you FIRST with the offer
ZargonX> Yes, and I personally appreciate that
Togas> GS was, basiclly, plan B
ZargonX> well, your plan B seems to have thrown the world into a good bit of disarray
Togas>
ZargonX> I think the situation you've created may make working with the agreement that stopped us in the first place a little easier...
ZargonX> I, for one, am always open for negotiation
Togas> if you guys change your policy, we'll be here
Togas> we RP guys are always online somewhere
ZargonX> Let me do some talking to the boys, as it were
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:25
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My response to Shiber:
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Shiber,
I've only stated in the public forum what was planned ahead of time for public consumption. The problem is that if I'd said NOTHING, GoW would get highly suspicious because it's out of character for me. So I had to say something, but something they would both likely believe and something that would not give away the true nature of the GS-RP agreement.
I did discuss this with NYE last turn, the fact that we'd need a cover story for the city exchange. We're also going to need a cover story for the "brief war", should it Lego and/or Vox notice (though they might not).
I want your forces' arrival on Bob and deployment into the battle to a surprise as much as you do. This is why only pre-planned statements have been asked to be made by RP members.
However, I must warn you that apparently GodKing, of his own accord, told Unortho and MZ in chat that we'd received tech and some money from GS in exchange for the cities. He made sure to mention that GS was insistent on not breaking any NT agreements with GoW, however. I would normally be concerned that this lie would complicate our otherwise straight story to GoW and ND, but it's apparent that GoW has completely bought GodKing's version as truth. So I guess we'll have to work around that.
On your end, OPD told me that Arrian (I think) sent a PM to ND. When we asked NYE about it, he said the PM specifically was written to ENCOURAGE ND to declare war on GS for happiness reasons. While this is good for GS on the happiness front, it would have been nice if we'd known about that PM ahead of time. I might be wrong here, but we were under the impression that the joint hope was that ND would bypass the cities so they couldn't be used as forward military bases in the war (since roads around those cities are now speeding the movement of Ansar Warriors).
It sounds like we need to try to coordinate what we're telling ND and GoW in the near future to prevent further misunderstandings.
As for the save, it has arrived.
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:25
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My Chat with NYE about a number of things this evening:
PART ONE
Session Start: Thu Jul 24 00:09:42 2003
Session Ident: Arnelos
[00:09] nye> hi
[00:09] Arnelos> hey
[00:10] nye> i just read your reply to shiber
[00:10] Arnelos> ah
[00:10] nye> we do need to talk more
[00:10] Arnelos> ok
[00:10] nye> coordinate
[00:10] Arnelos> right
[00:11] nye> i think i gave a innaccurate picture
[00:11] Arnelos> such as?
[00:11] nye> we didn't so much provoke nd into attacking as expect them to, and not discourage that
[00:11] nye> i will let you judge
[00:11] nye> one moment
[00:12] nye> the full pm sent to borc
[00:13] nye> Due to recent events, Gathering Storm has had to make some very difficult decisions lately.
[00:13] nye> .
[00:13] nye> We are sad to have come to this, but we are afraid that cooperation in the matter of your war against RP between our two fine nations does not seem possible.
[00:13] nye> .
[00:13] nye> We believe that our minimal claims for strategic land on Bob were legitimate, but since our concerns were ignored by your representatives, we have decided to switch sides in this conflict. We are informing you of this change ahead of the time that you will receive the save in the spirit of good manners and sportsmanship.
[00:13] nye> .
[00:14] nye> When you take a look at the save, you will notice that the city of Santiago has changed ownership, and its gates now sport Gathering Storm banners. We have promised some limited help to RP in their struggle for survival, and there is yet more to come.
[00:14] nye> .
[00:14] nye> We understand that these new steps may mean that a state of war between our two nations will become inevitable, and we are ready to face the consequences. But please, let us not allow any in-game wars to cloud our personal relations. Let us not hate, let us fight if we must, and share a drink in Valhalla, together.
[00:14] nye> .
[00:14] nye> that was it.
[00:15] Arnelos> interesting
[00:15] nye> inflaming?
[00:15] Arnelos> For ND, yes
[00:15] nye> really?
[00:16] nye> ok
[00:16] nye> we did not mind that they dow
[00:16] Arnelos> From what little experience we've had with them, what we can surmise is that they don't take things like this well
[00:16] Arnelos> Of course, getting them to Declare was indeed good in some ways
[00:16] nye> gow was making noises about 'consequences' if we did it to them
[00:16] Arnelos> "consequences" - like what?
[00:16] nye> we received from them...
[00:17] nye> hint at dow on us
[00:17] Arnelos> woopdie doo
[00:17] nye> if we dow on nd
[00:17] Arnelos> GoW already hates you guys
[00:17] Arnelos> a declaration would only make it official
[00:17] nye> it would be much cleaner if we can send all available troops west
[00:17] Arnelos> true
[00:17] nye> hate us?
[00:17] Arnelos> YES
[00:17] nye> example?
[00:18] Arnelos> They loathe GS as much if not more than RP... the difference is that they fear GS
[00:18] nye> i would imagine we have some entries in the grudge ledger
[00:18] nye> they hate boy scouts?
[00:18] nye>
[00:18] Arnelos> I don't know if Togas was recording the other night in the isdg chat... perhaps he has a log, I didn't bother to take one... but MZ was half toying/half imporing with us not to help GS... because "NO-ONE wants them to win the game!"
[00:19] nye> heh
[00:19] nye> ok
[00:19] nye> i can understand that
[00:19] Arnelos> GoW, in general, still seems bitter over the Vox War junk
[00:19] Arnelos> they really really really don't want GS to win if they have to lose
[00:19] nye> why ever in the world would they be that attached?
[00:19] Arnelos> We might ask the same question concerning ourselves...
[00:19] nye> to vox war
[00:20] nye> true
[00:20] Arnelos> GoW, in general, seems more lead by emotion than most teams
[00:20] nye> it seems to me that the louder gow yells about rp misdeeds, the more apparent it is that they are pot, ketle, black
[00:20] Arnelos> They have grudges primarily against our two teams, not really much against ND or Lego. They downright like Vox.
[00:20] nye> and the one yelling is a deeper shade of black
[00:21] nye> we received many reports, from all over, abour who was scheming for our demise and propping vox up
[00:22] Arnelos> I wasn't around for that, mind you
[00:22] Arnelos> I know only what I've heard
[00:22] nye> vox never got all that upgrade gold from 0 research
[00:23] Arnelos> but the impression I get is that while Beta and Vox personally don't have anything against us, they really don't like how RP didn't really help them (sorta like some on our team concerning Lego)
[00:23] nye> ahh
[00:23] Arnelos> Vox and GoW, on the other hand, get along quite well, despite the GoW backstab
[00:23] nye> we figure there were 2 civs in on propping vox up
[00:23] Arnelos> GoW was definately #1
[00:24] nye> it would help to know how much rp did lend
[00:24] Arnelos> they were also the ones apparently trying to get others to help Vox
[00:24] nye> there are no hard feelings here, btw
[00:24] nye> it was the smart thing to do at that time
[00:24] Arnelos> NYE - what I know is that we never sent any money to Vox... beyond that, I wasn't there and I don't know
[00:24] nye> what wrinkled our shorts were some of the threads
[00:25] nye> ok
[00:25] nye> aidun is one of yours, yes?
[00:25] Arnelos> I do know that the version of the story I've heard places GoW as the ones organizing support for Vox and others not committing much
[00:25] Arnelos> yes, Aidun is ours
[00:26] nye> ok. btw, many on gs will want to talk more with some on rp about those issues. more out of curiosity
[00:26] nye> aidun is a good example
[00:26] Arnelos> how so?
[00:27] nye> during beta's threads, where he was posing as the vox MoInformation ala Iraq
[00:27] nye> ie, i am lying and this is for fun
[00:27] Arnelos> right
[00:27] nye> people thought that we were lying???!?
[00:27] nye> aidun thought so.
[00:27] nye> he said so
[00:27] Arnelos> lol
[00:27] nye> in chat
[00:28] nye> i told him where to get off, in short words
[00:28] Arnelos> the first casualty of war is the truth
[00:28] nye> heh
[00:28] nye> but, you see. to many on gs
[00:28] nye> that stuff...
[00:28] nye> went too far
[00:28] Arnelos> I wasn't around for it... you'll have to tell me what happened from your perspective
[00:29] nye> well,
[00:29] nye> senior members of gow, rp, lego...
[00:30] nye> all posted supporting vox, when they were trying to weasel out of the consequences of their own back stab
[00:30] nye> beta posted details of a peace proposal that had been discussed 10 or more turns previously
[00:30] nye> prior to our destrying much of their army, and outflanking their positions
[00:31] nye> so, then they wailed for peace, on their terms
[00:31] Arnelos> right
[00:31] Arnelos> THAT part I have heard
[00:31] nye> and people believed that we were the bad guys for saying 'no', that was no longer good enough
[00:31] Arnelos> right
[00:31] nye> and togas, mz, vondrack...
[00:32] nye> were seeming to agree with them
[00:32] nye> and then the bomb...
[00:32] nye> the bomb was that beta had prepared that thread in consultation with the leaders of those other teams who posted in the thread supporting him
[00:32] Arnelos> I'm sure
[00:32] nye> so, they all knew it was coming before we ever saw it
[00:33] Arnelos> right
[00:33] nye> many on gs wanted to quit right there on the spot
[00:33] Arnelos> wow
[00:33] nye> sdome have not returnedf
[00:33] nye> what would you do?
[00:33] Arnelos> it sounds like the other civs just wanted to do what they could to encourage a settled end to the war
[00:33] nye> the game was being played on our reputations
[00:33] nye> not on the results on the map
[00:34] nye> if anything, that thread resulted in voc totally leaving stormia, or being extinguished
[00:34] Arnelos> hmmm
[00:34] nye> we would have accepted no other outcome after that
[00:34] Arnelos> right
[00:34] nye> before it, we could have left them in the north if we gained a key city
[00:35] nye> elipolis
[00:35] nye> which beta did not want to give up
[00:35] nye> so the thread
[00:35] nye> and during the coursee of it, we were rightfully enraged
[00:35] nye> it was head games. pure and simple
[00:35] Arnelos> So here's the question... if the other civs had done a "Congress of Europe" style meeting with you guys, would you have accepted a jointly agreed upon outcome where you got Elipolis and the war was settled?
[00:36] Arnelos> where the implication exists that if you didn't settle, it meant world war on GS?
[00:36] nye> no
[00:36] Arnelos> because it sounds like that was their aim
[00:36] Arnelos> though it wouldn't work
[00:36] nye> we would have destoryed any forces that landed on stormia
[00:36] nye> we were well able to
[00:37] nye> and we would have picked one civ and totalled them before any joint action could be mounted. most likely
[00:37] Arnelos> perhaps
[00:37] nye> but that did not happen
[00:38] Arnelos> right
[00:38] nye> what did happen, is that the head games were very unhealthy for one, target team
[00:38] nye> and no other team should ever be subjected to such crap
[00:39] Arnelos> the thing is... the other civs had a concrete interest in not allowing GS to get stronger if they could avoid it. That they shielded this interest in "helping Vox survive/live" is not terribly surprising to me.
[00:39] nye> np.
[00:39] nye> but the weasel words. accusations of us lying
[00:39] nye> given the views of many on gs about honour and such
[00:39] Arnelos> right
[00:39] nye> it nearly drove us berzerk
[00:39] Arnelos> I'm sure
[00:40] nye> we were looking at where the galleys could get, how fast, and how much damage we could do quickly
[00:40] Arnelos> The thing is... no amount of reputation building will protect you from the fear of hegemony which all other civs will have of any growing hegemon.
[00:40] nye> we were po'd very much
[00:40] nye> np
[00:41] Arnelos> You could be the most honorable guys on the planet, but they'll STILL dislike you for being powerful
[00:41] Arnelos> Hegemons are never loved
[00:41] nye> what it boils down to, arne, is that the threads got personal for a team
[00:41] nye> the targets
[00:41] Arnelos> right
[00:41] nye> and that was not good
[00:41] Arnelos> I can see how it would upset you BEYOND the game, however
[00:41] Arnelos> that can get ugly
[00:41] nye> because the targets were slandered on the point they were most sensitive to
[00:41] Arnelos> right
[00:41] nye> honour
[00:42] nye> as i said, aidun believed beta
[00:42] nye> because togas supported him, no doubt
[00:42] Arnelos> I guess he did
[00:42] Arnelos> well... Togas didn't REALLY support him, it sounds like
[00:42] Arnelos> from the version I've heard
[00:43] nye> maybe it is subject to interpretation.
[00:43] nye> i suggest you look it up. it is not that long ago
[00:43] Arnelos> The version I've heard is that RP Team was trying to have it both ways, it sounds like. Togas "publicly supported" Vox and RP attended the joint chats, but no actual aid was sent because the perception was that it:
[00:43] Arnelos> 1 - wouldn't matter
[00:43] Arnelos> 2 - would be a waste
[00:44] Arnelos> 3 - would just further enrage GS... which we might need later
[00:44] nye> well, i am talking about that one thread, not the whole war
[00:44] Arnelos> right
[00:44] Arnelos> I don't know about that
[00:44] nye> and, this is a long way from nd and rp
[00:44] nye> nd sent us...
[00:44] Arnelos> knowing Togas, however... he participated on the offchance it might lead to a peaceful settlement to the war... which was in RP's interests
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:25
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PART TWO
(starts with NYE posting the contents of a PM from Borc to Shiber)
[00:45] nye> The Santiago Incident
[00:45] nye> .
[00:45] nye> Hi Shiber.
[00:45] nye> .
[00:45] nye> Next turn you will find Santiago is in our Hands. This does not need to mean war.
[00:45] nye> We can give you back what you payed Spain for it. Let us remain reasonable. The citys on Borconia will be poisoned for you in the form of corruption.
[00:45] nye> .
[00:45] nye> The strategical insurrance for GS against an Invasion from us is not necessary. We are ready to give you a MPP in case GoW should try something stupid.
[00:45] nye> .
[00:45] nye> You have a big continent all for you alone. I understand it if you tell us you want to conquer Borconia and want to start an invasion anyway. O.K. then we can't do anything to stop you but this war against RP has nothing to do with you. Please stay out of it.
[00:45] nye> .
[00:46] nye> comments?
[00:46] Arnelos> interesting
[00:46] nye> you know them better than we
[00:46] Arnelos> They're spooked, that's my take on it
[00:46] Arnelos> They know GoW eventually plans to backstab them... they've been betting on the same thing GoW has... damage RP first
[00:47] Arnelos> if GS gets involved, it messes things up
[00:47] Arnelos> the other thing about ND...
[00:47] Arnelos> they seem to have a very big emphasis on "fair" distribution of land... that's why they've been after RP since the start
[00:48] nye> why then did they sink any hope of us ever joining them against rp, by being greedt about land?
[00:49] Arnelos> The way ND sees it, Western Spain is, in "fairness", THEIR land
[00:49] nye> they wanted to have us help kill rp, and get no cities from it
[00:49] Arnelos> land that Spain arrogantly claimed for itself near the start of the game and prevented ND from entering via an MPP with Lux
[00:49] nye> strange
[00:49] nye> ahhh
[00:49] nye> The ghost of Lux, once again
[00:50] Arnelos> so when YOU claimed the cities... it didn't help
[00:50] Arnelos> they want the CITIES
[00:50] nye> they did not want to see us have the cities togas would have agreed to give us in a heart beat
[00:50] nye> the east coast
[00:50] Arnelos> The way they must see it is that GS is being as arrogant as RP was to claim those cities, closer to ND's original capital than RP's and certainly than GS'.... the emphasis on corruption is part of this
[00:51] Arnelos> as for the EAST coast... I don't konw
[00:51] Arnelos> It's probably that they think you guys are "big enough already"
[00:51] Arnelos> you don't need more land
[00:51] nye> the east coast is closer to EotS than nd cap. or very close
[00:52] Arnelos> Our impression of ND is that they place a very large emphasis upon an "equitable" disribution of land... meaning ND must have as much land as anyone else
[00:52] Arnelos> If ND does not have as much land as another Civ, ND must take more land until they are equal.
[00:53] Arnelos> THAT part is reasonable
[00:54] Arnelos> So the idea of GS, the "largest civ" claiming even MORE land is anathema to them. They simply can't allow it.
[00:54] Arnelos> However, they'd rather not fight you guys if they can avoid it, of course
[00:54] nye> well. they sealed their fate in one chat
[00:55] nye> when we heard from you shortly after...
[00:55] Arnelos> right, when they wouldn't negotiate where you could have any of Bob
[00:55] nye> yes. they demonstrated that we could not coexist
[00:56] nye> gow would still like to ressurect those discussions
[00:56] nye> but, it is too late
[00:56] Arnelos> GoW is only now willing to resurrect that because they are AFRAID of you
[00:57] nye> yeah
[00:57] nye> of course
[00:57] nye> they don;t want us involved
[00:57] nye> they do not dare dow, cause they have land and cities 2 tiles from stormia
[00:57] Arnelos> GoW's primary interest in this war is as much emotional as rational... they want RP Team out of the running. They also want RP Team damaged before they take on ND, even though RP was willing to HELP with fighting ND.
[00:58] nye> i can see that in the threads
[00:58] Arnelos> part of it is an internal division inside GoW
[00:58] nye> bob must have been a hostile place those many years ago
[00:59] nye> it is now, too. sorry
[00:59] nye> internal division?
[00:59] Arnelos> The place where GoW-RP relations went sour was a very long spat between Togas and GhengisFarb... they were enough pissed at each other before Panzer32 threw gasoline on the fire... things have been tense ever since
[00:59] nye> what did panzer do?
[01:00] Arnelos> Unorthodox is far more rational than most of his team... he believes his team is walking into more than they can chew off... he's the one I worry about realizing what is really up
[01:00] nye> i agree re UnO
[01:00] nye> message from UnO
[01:00] Arnelos> Uno was the one who came to us and offered an offensive alliance against ND
[01:01] nye> when?
[01:01] Arnelos> we're sure part of it was just role-playing good cop/bad cop, but I also believe Uno is actually worried... no-one else in GoW was even slightly worried until those cities went to GS
[01:02] Arnelos> when? I don't remember... was probably around the same time GS wouldn't help or before that...
[01:02] nye> mesage from UnO
[01:02] nye> News from GoW
[01:02] nye> Greetings zeit, nye,
[01:02] nye> .
[01:02] nye> Im afraid that I have some unfortunate news. My home computer is suffering from some malady or another, and it has cost me all internet access for some time. I will be unable to chat until such things are fixed, however.
[01:02] nye> .
[01:03] nye> In the meantime please talk to Master Zen or Panzer32 if you need to communicate through chat.
[01:03] nye> .
[01:03] Arnelos> Uno *told us* that he believed GoW was committing suicide with this war... that the obvious move was to attack ND, not RP Team. He's right, of course, but the question is whether he was at least partially just playing a role.
[01:03] nye> .
[01:03] nye> It is our understanding that ND has declared war and taken Santiago despite our resistance to such an idea. While we can understand how and why they came to that decision, our intention is to remain neutral during whatever future conflicts arise between ND and GS.
[01:03] nye> .
[01:03] nye> This being said, we wish to somehow come to an arrangement that would be mutually beneficial to both our teams. I don't see that our respective positions need to hamper such a thing from comming to pass at present.
[01:03] nye> .
[01:04] nye> I have several ideas, and am polling our forum at present to get a feel on how the team will react. That being said, I must ask, is GS devoted to keeping RP in the game? What are your goals in this conflict? Perhaps there is a solution to be had by concluding our current contract as swiftly as possible, allowing us to work on a different one, perhaps?
[01:04] nye> .
[01:09] Arnelos> when your forces arrive... will you attack GoW if they keep heading south?
[01:10] nye> we will attack if they violate our cultural borders
[01:10] nye> we cannot have 14 riders running around your rear
[01:11] Arnelos> right
[01:11] nye> thgat is why bilbao is so important. it is the northern block
[01:12] Arnelos> hmm... when GoW realizes what is up, let us hope they attack ND
[01:12] nye> we hope so
[01:12] Arnelos> that would help a lot
[01:12] nye> they have demanded access to bilbao's area
[01:12] nye> we will say no
[01:12] Arnelos> right
[01:12] nye> that will be the trail by fire
[01:12] nye> trial
[01:12] Arnelos> I got your meaning
[01:12] nye> if they do not attack they never will as far as can be seen
[01:14] nye> have you had any official contact with gow or nd since the invasion stack turn?
[01:15] Arnelos> no
[01:15] Arnelos> only the chats in the ISDGFAM channel
[01:15] Arnelos> with MZ
[01:16] Arnelos> where war-related stuff is mentioned... but it's really only each side trying to mine the other for information and nothing really being shared
[01:17] nye> what were nd's demands? did you ever find out?
[01:18] Arnelos> ND never demanded anything
[01:18] Arnelos> nothing was ever sent other than a private apology for lying to us about planning to attack us
[01:19] Arnelos> and letting us know it wasn't personal
[01:19] Arnelos> They want our land, we know that
[01:20] nye> ahh. they are not all bad. just no finesse
[01:20] nye> btw, any thoughts? advice?
[01:21] Arnelos> Just do what you can that you think will get GoW to attack ND
[01:21] Arnelos> that's the bottom line
[01:21] Arnelos> if we can put off the GoW problem for a while, that would help
[01:26] nye> will do. that is our plan
[01:36] Arnelos> my machine crashed, lost the log
[01:36] Arnelos> you have one?
[01:39] nye> yes
[01:39] nye> you want me to send?
[01:39] Arnelos> please
[01:40] nye> be back in a sec
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Nuclear Winter
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Talk I had in Legolandīs room, I told them they had forgot their password and they told me to to go there and caht with tehm a bit , a non-oficial just-for-fun talk. MRmitchell joined teh fray later.. nothing really important, but the only bits of disinfo true here are what togas told me to say
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Session Start: Thu Jul 24 17:41:17 2003
Session Ident: #legoland
* Now talking in #legoland
-vondrack> hello
-NuclearisWinterius> Spannish Invasion of LEgoland!!!GRAA
-NuclearisWinterius> j/k
-NuclearisWinterius> heya ll
-NuclearisWinterius> Redddie invited me
-Kloreep> Hi
-redstar1> hey
-redstar1> trei tequila por favor
-redstar1>
-vondrack> beer for me, please
-redstar1> so hows madrid?
-NuclearisWinterius> 4All said here represents nothing but teh mad ramblings of a crazy spaniard, this freak holds no position in rp and thus speaks not for the team
-vondrack> understood
-vondrack> ramble on
-NuclearisWinterius> Tree tequillas, Seņor?
-NuclearisWinterius> Si seņor!
* NuclearisWinterius throws 3 tequillas for redstar
-redstar1> hehe cheers!
-NuclearisWinterius> Seņor Vondracko, Eo believo que sú nacion must have better beer than mine
-vondrack> LOL
-vondrack> true ))
-redstar1> san miguel!
-NuclearisWinterius> Spaniglsih
-redstar1> theres the most fantastic spanish restaurant here
-NuclearisWinterius> San Dyego!!!
-NuclearisWinterius> Here were?
-NuclearisWinterius> In legoland?
-redstar1> belfast
-redstar1> no
-redstar1> lol
-NuclearisWinterius> You live in belfast? Cool!!! SO they Exist!!
-redstar1> who exist?
-NuclearisWinterius> Oh He Who Lives In Belfast!!! Bring Me A Cup of Black Beer Please
-redstar1> ewww
-redstar1> nasty stuff
-NuclearisWinterius> RP has an agen.. err a friend near your operational position (home) right now
-NuclearisWinterius> Aidun, he is out for hiking in Ireland
-redstar1> ahhhh
-redstar1> nice weather for it
-NuclearisWinterius> Hey somebody, bring me some blockbeef, or backed block, or even fried Blocksticks!!
-redstar1> ???
-NuclearisWinterius> Food legoman eat, eh?
-NuclearisWinterius> I give you Tequilla and you give me Legofood, right?
-redstar1> oh i see
-redstar1> lol
-Kloreep> Maybe afterwards we can play some Blockball. I recovered from my hernia from the last match this week, so I'm good to go.
-redstar1> hehehe
-NuclearisWinterius> Something usefull for you legoman to know, right click over the text screen of any room, registered or not and click on the option īīSecretīī to make the room secret, and choose a key also if you feel like (not now, or Iīd see teh password, though you could practice with a fake)
-NuclearisWinterius> Blockball!!!
-Kloreep> NW: Yes, redstar set a password just after you left, but he took it off again so you could visit.
-NuclearisWinterius> Right now in Spain weīve cut down sports for a bit... the government required the waterfalls we use for Waterfall-forced-diving to throw dead Arabs in tehm
-NuclearisWinterius> Okee Dokee, just some friendly hints here
-vondrack> this room is usually well protected (access list) - but the Poly IRC server crashes so often that it no longer is worth recreating the security...
-NuclearisWinterius> yeah, I can see teh machineguns dropped around
-NuclearisWinterius> heh now thatīs a nice anti-tank gun!
-redstar1> lol
-NuclearisWinterius> no no I donīt want to see how it works... No please vondrack, turn it the other way... THE OTHER WAY!!! FOr GOD`s SAKE!!! AHHHH
-NuclearisWinterius> hehe
-NuclearisWinterius> Silent legos...
-redstar1> we're building...
* redstar1 gives NuclearisWinterius a few blocks...
-redstar1> we need a temple
* NuclearisWinterius starts roleplaying teh blocks
-NuclearisWinterius> I am a block
-redstar1> feel free to use your artistic licence
-NuclearisWinterius> I cannot speak
-NuclearisWinterius> I donīt have an artistic license, mr, were can I get one?
-NuclearisWinterius> Ah, BTW, togas and teh RP tema told me to send you a īīHey guys, wazzup?īī to you all
-Kloreep> Careful, NW; if you seem dead around here, you'll be carted away to be part of that new Library over there.
-NuclearisWinterius> hehhehe
-NuclearisWinterius> So you donīt bury your dead, jsut builįd over tehm?
-redstar1> you aint smelt the pyramids then....
-NuclearisWinterius> 
-NuclearisWinterius> Oh my Sweet god, thatīs an undead library!!!
-Kloreep> Quite dead, actually.
-NuclearisWinterius> hehehe
-NuclearisWinterius> btw legomen, you are all evil!
-Kloreep> Yeah, it's a quite efficient use of the dead, and a great way to honor them too. The only downside is the smell. That's a major project for our scientists right now.
-NuclearisWinterius> Why didnīt you accept our gift?
-redstar1> gift?
-Kloreep> Evil? I beg your pardon? ;p
-NuclearisWinterius> the cities back then
-redstar1> oh the cities
-redstar1> i beleived we were concerned about the response from your neighbours
-NuclearisWinterius> non-oficial talk, just a puzzled spaniard and yadda yadda yadda
-Kloreep> It would be violating a treaty, too.
-NuclearisWinterius> ;(
-NuclearisWinterius> We were forced to gift them to heathens
* mrmitchell has joined #legoland
-redstar1> we noticed
-redstar1> feel free to offer any more gifts you might have laying about
-NuclearisWinterius> hey you, watch out!
-NuclearisWinterius> if godīs on our side we wonīt need to ceede anything more
-redstar1> thats good
-NuclearisWinterius> now it is officially a spanish invasion 
-redstar1> god good with a bow then?
-NuclearisWinterius> better, god good with a sword
-NuclearisWinterius> he even borrowed us his sling!
-redstar1> good stuff
-Kloreep> So his arm is feeling better then? j/k
-NuclearisWinterius> I guess so
* NuclearisWinterius notices he hasnīt refilled the Legosīs cups of tequilla
-NuclearisWinterius> pardon me!
* ZargonX has joined #legoland
* NuclearisWinterius refills the cups of tequilla
-NuclearisWinterius> Hey ZargonX
-ZargonX> whoa... party in here!
-NuclearisWinterius> me and mrmitchell bailed off of RP
-ZargonX> sweet
-ZargonX> welcome to the builders
-NuclearisWinterius> We are now a neutral party
-NuclearisWinterius> Joke
-NuclearisWinterius> Donīt talk secret stuff
-NuclearisWinterius> We are not
-ZargonX> oh, so I shouldn't mention the floating fortress?
-NuclearisWinterius> We were invited here to talk and party in legos maior
* mrmitchell has quit IRC (Quit: )
-Kloreep> Yeah, don't talk about the ICBM project Zargon.
-ZargonX> check
* mrmitchell has joined #legoland
-NuclearisWinterius> ICBM ha, Our words are backed by Nuclear Winter 
-ZargonX> nice
-redstar1> the intercontinental banana machine?
-NuclearisWinterius> InterContinentalBuildingMAchine
-Kloreep> Err, yeah, building, right.
-NuclearisWinterius> It cna build a library anywhere in the world, in no time!
-ZargonX> we launch it into space, and then it drops libraries on other people's cities
-ZargonX>
* Kloreep whispers "Psst, Zargon, he knows too much. We'll have to kill him."
-Kloreep>
-mrmitchell> all the tabemono guys are on lego
-ZargonX> I'll take care of him...
* ZargonX slaps NuclearisWinterius around. What are you gonna do about it?
-mrmitchell> all the sunshine guys are on roleplay
-mrmitchell> (just random rambling)
-Kloreep> Actually, I was looking at the Tabemono membership, and Legos are only a minority of Tabemono.
-NuclearisWinterius> Donīt slap me... ;(
* NuclearisWinterius threatens Legoland with a small-5year old child
-ZargonX> yeah, Tabemono has a good mix
-NuclearisWinterius> MwahMwahMwah
-NuclearisWinterius> I was forced into sunshine!
-Kloreep> Yep, most of the PTWDG teams are represented in Tabemono.
-ZargonX> everyone but ND, I think
-NuclearisWinterius> ND is evil!
-NuclearisWinterius> They are.. *NW whispers*Krauts...
-mrmitchell> Lux isn't are they?
-NuclearisWinterius> Lux is past
-mrmitchell> hey, ND isn't evil, glory of wuss is
-Kloreep> True, I don't think we have a Lux on Tabemono.
-NuclearisWinterius> They are both evil
-NuclearisWinterius> and GS is the ringleader
-NuclearisWinterius> eh I mean our righteous savers
-NuclearisWinterius>
-ZargonX> True... no luxes... but, they are the past
-NuclearisWinterius> ALrilalaririlalarilarilarilarira
-NuclearisWinterius> I give a candy to anyone who finds out what is this song I sung
-NuclearisWinterius> 4 Kloreep,vondrack and redstar, OP ZargonX!!!
-ZargonX> yes, let me be in the club!
* Retrieving #legoland info...
-mrmitchell> ooh, voice us, too
* Kloreep sets mode: +o ZargonX
-mrmitchell> we're diplomats from a friendly land
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Spain Invades LegoLand!!!'
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Spain Invades LegoLand!!!Proverbially!!!|MAdre Teresa sighted nearby Madrid!'
-mrmitchell> sssh!
-mrmitchell> they aren't supposed to know that right now!
-Kloreep> Well, I suppose you have diplomatic immunity from moderation then.
* mrmitchell changes topic to 'Legoland'
* Kloreep sets mode: +vv mrmitchell NuclearisWinterius
-NuclearisWinterius> eh, hmm, sorry
-ZargonX> it's all fun and games till we drop a library on you from space :P
-mrmitchell> lol
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Legoland - Our words are backed by Libraries!!!'
-Kloreep> Uber's the only one who recognized the danger...
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Legoland - Our words are backed by FLying Libraries!!!'
-Kloreep> Now it's too late. We are moving Library-launching satellites into position even as we speak.
-ZargonX> brb
-mrmitchell> topic #legoland Breaking News: Legoland Detains, Arrests Topicwarring Diplomat
-NuclearisWinterius> *Darth Vader-like voice*Begin Operations when ready... Literate BOB!
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Nuclear Winter and Mrmitchrell arrested at LEgoland; punishment scheduled at 12am at the chopping blocks'
-NuclearisWinterius> I guess Iīll leave folks
-NuclearisWinterius> let you discuss important matters
* NuclearisWinterius changes topic to 'Legoland Team - GO Legos!!!'
-vondrack> ok, take care
-Kloreep> Okay, bye!
* NuclearisWinterius slaps mrmitchell around a bit with a large trout
-NuclearisWinterius> thx
-NuclearisWinterius> Elts go mitchell
* NuclearisWinterius slaps mrmitchell around a bit with a large trout
* NuclearisWinterius slaps mrmitchell around a bit with a large trout
-mrmitchell> no, thats not the plan
-mrmitchell> you leave and i act like zargon
-mrmitchell> er
-mrmitchell> damn
-NuclearisWinterius> mwahmwahmwah
-NuclearisWinterius> letīs go!
-NuclearisWinterius> BYEEEEE!!!
* NuclearisWinterius paradrops form plane
Session Close: Thu Jul 24 18:27:38 2003
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Reads too many books...
Oct 2001
time: 23:25
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Theseus sent this:
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To Him, who from evil is able to bring forth good, I render thanks for having mercifully inspired you to extend to me your blessing and your banner.
I am but a military man, Holiness, and must with all humility cry out my unsuitability for the vaulted position of Cardinal of Egypt.
Within your beneficience, I would instead extend upon my role as Paladin of the Order of St. Michael... I propose to create a Knights Templar, dedicated to the corporeal health of the Holy Church and its ministrators, and guide and protector to those in the world who may wish to explore the beauties of Spanish churches and cathedrals.
Until all threats are removed, praised be to God and his son the Lord Jesus, all of the Knights Templar shall take vows of poverty, humitility, and abstinence; we shall live together in martial training and in prayer until all are safe. Ecce quam bonum et quam jocundum habitare fratres in unum - Behold how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity.
Already, there has been eggregious loss for the God-fearing folk of Spain. We Knights Templar shall ensure that the heathens make fitting reparation for the losses and wrongs inflicted upon the Church: while my kin and brethren may put down a heavy boot upon seized lands, know that in my heart all of the territory taken shall be under apostolic suzerainty.
I fear, Holiness, that this must remain a private matter for the nonce... but, oh the Glory and Rapture for all of Christendom when we make our intentions known and take the battle to the enemy!!
Humbly,
Paladin Theseus
Nautonnier, le Prieure de Sion |
To which I responded:
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Beloved son of the Church,
I understand. Archbishop Ralphus may look for other candidates. Please inform him to send me some suggestions if he has any. I am very interested in our missionary activities in Egypt, and I am most anxious to see all men saved. I believe that God has shed His light upon Egypt as He has also done upon Spain. Truly, God has shown the countries of Egypt and Spain His favor! May that we earn it by sharing His Word with the entire world.
The idea for the Knight's Templars is a rather good one, I think. You have my full permission to see to its creation as a Paladin of the Church. I've sent along a group of Swiss bodyguards to assist you in its formation. I thank you, my friend. The Church needs such talented members such as yourself.
It shall indeed be a great day when the idolators see your troops carrying the banner of the Church on Bobian soil!
You may go to your troops with my blessings, my son.
His Will be done,
Pope Calixtus I |
Pope Calixtus I
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Arnelos
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of the Free World
Sep 2002
time: 00:25
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My sincere apologies if I'm stepping on toes here, but I notice that absolutely no diplomatic activity has taken place between RP Team and Lego in a while and our relationship with Legoland is approaching a critical point with GS siding with us against ND and GoW... so...
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ZargonX,
Now that most of my work with GS seems to be done and there seems to be no activity in RP-Lego relations of late (Aidun is still inactive and BF is heading out of town), I'm switching gears and seeing if I can help here again just like old times.
Speaking of that, are Nimitz and Spiffor still around at all? Any of my other DIA buddies from the SPDG? I've been gone for months and I haven't seen hide nor hair of those guys since I got back. I'd love to just talk to them about old times or something if they're around at all (which unfortunately doesn't seem to be the case ).
As for RP-Lego relations, we need to have a chat. With GS entering the conflict, the odds have evened up a bit, but are still uneven. We are still facing two civilizations on our own continent with tall stacks of 3-move UU's and in their GA's. We lost a considerable number of units to ND last turn, though we did damage most of their Ansars, forcing them to take it slow for a bit.
We're thinking that Legoland is probably best served by building like crazy while the rest of the world burns and we certainly respect that, but perhaps you'd also like to keep RP Team from being wiped out to at least keep the conflict good and bloody longer (giving you guys a long-term advantage because you can keep building).
In terms of a builder strategy, this war is the best thing that could have happened to you guys, but if it ends too quickly in an RP defeat because GS can only help us so much, then attentions will inevitably turn toward the ever-growing Lego at some point (sorta like the ISDG).
Please let me know times you or others from Lego might be available for chat and I'll see if I can get something together with Togas and myself, at the very least.
Let me know.
Thanks.
- Arnelos
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Nuclear Winter
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Talk I had with legoland today, about they sending tech and money and info:
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Session Start: Thu Jul 31 15:32:31 2003
Session Ident: #Castle
* Now talking in #Castle
* Retrieving #Castle info...
* NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +ts
* NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +k medievalset
* redstar1 has joined #castle
* NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +o redstar1
NuclearisWinterius- Welcome
redstar1- thank you
NuclearisWinterius- can we wait a bit until togas comes?
NuclearisWinterius- hehe the name of the room is an homenage to legoland
redstar1- lol we are honoured
redstar1- sure no probs
redstar1- i think vondrack is a bit busy atm ...
NuclearisWinterius- call whoever you feel like
redstar1- i'm sure he'd like to talk to you too
redstar1- well i can only get a response from myself
NuclearisWinterius- though i donīt think calling ghengisfarb a good idea, really
redstar1- lol
NuclearisWinterius- Are you the current leader of legoland? I am a bit un-updated regarding your team, sorry
NuclearisWinterius- I think actual is zargon, right?
redstar1- oh no, Zargon is the president
redstar1- i hold no ministerial post, I am shall we say, the Cabinet Secretary
NuclearisWinterius- Well, anyway you can surely bring the topic to your forum later on
* Togas has joined #castle
NuclearisWinterius- Hello togas
* NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +o Togas
Togas- hello
Togas- I'm currently at work right now
NuclearisWinterius- Well, are you waiting someone from Lego redstar?
Togas- so I won't be extremely talkative, trying to get some files finished before lunch
redstar1- hiya
redstar1- no, go ahead
redstar1- i'll post log anyway
redstar1- so guys, what can we do for you
redstar1- NW mentioned a strong need for gold...
NuclearisWinterius- We are really in need of gold, but we could use techs too
NuclearisWinterius- We need something to allow us to make up for the productivity disadvantage we are facing, so maybe techs could help
Togas- let's be frank. I don't believe a tech or two is going to stop the Ansars hordes from sacking yet another city.
redstar1- right, i'm not aware of the tech situation to be honest. what are or were you researching?
Togas- researching nothing. All of our gold goes to rushing units
redstar1- what sort of help are GS giving?
Togas- more help than Lego.
redstar1- to be frank we aren't in any position to help militarily
Togas- we know.
redstar1- so what that leaves is gold and tech
NuclearisWinterius- So, you can always lend a hand gold-wise, eh?
NuclearisWinterius- Does Lego have Navigation?
redstar1- no, not yet
NuclearisWinterius-
redstar1- navigation aint gonna help you though
Togas- Conqustador would allow us to at least get a GA started, maybe boost production, narrow the gap a little.
NuclearisWinterius- it takes us nearer to our UU, wich is what we seek
redstar1- oh yes, i understand
redstar1- you obviously haven't had a Ga yet then
Togas- nope
NuclearisWinterius- not yet
redstar1- having a look at our treasury, we have a little over 100 gold
NuclearisWinterius- more than we have, surely
redstar1- i imagine so
redstar1- you rushing units?
Togas- I'll be frank -- any gold you give us we'd be exceptionally grateful. It will go to rushing pikes and giving us a better chance to hold out agains the Arab hordes
NuclearisWinterius- not only but also
Togas- however, more than just gold, we could really use intelligence help.
redstar1- ahhh intel we most likely have
NuclearisWinterius- We are taken to believe lego ahs a large navy, right?
redstar1- what exactly are you looking for?
redstar1- if by large navy you mean a galley then yes
NuclearisWinterius- screenshots from both of the beligerantsīs territory
Togas- nuc -- hold on a sec.
Togas- I'll lay this out.
NuclearisWinterius- ok
redstar1- cool
Togas- Lego knew the war was coming and never hinted about it to us. Signed pacts with ND that forbid you from getting involved.
redstar1- i don't think thats fair
redstar1- we had no indication of a move against RP
Togas- it is.
redstar1- and our treaty with ND forbade any lgo presence on Bob
redstar1- lego
redstar1- that was signed a long time ago
Togas- there is obviously politics going on in the background, talks between the teams.
redstar1- and to that end we have proceeded with a policy of not going overseas
redstar1- of course, all teams talk to each other
redstar1- but i'm not aware of any indication given of an attack on spain
redstar1- the first we knew was the official announcments
Togas- I don't know the whole of it, I don't claim to, I know that you guys are intelligent guys and are more keyed into what is going on with our enemies than we are
redstar1- we like to think we have good relations with all the teams
Togas- we also thought the same thing, but what teams say to your face and what they say behind your back are two different things.
redstar1- well thats been true in this game before
Togas- in any event, I'm sure Lego knows that this war is quickly becoming a world war. With GS cities we gifted to them being attacked by GoW, they are now at war with GoW.
redstar1- all i can tell you is what has been reported in our public forums and discussed in the chat rooms
redstar1- and to my knowledge we weren't aware of it
redstar1- to be honest we would have expected ND to look North
redstar1- yeah, it does concern us
Togas- What is going to happen in the next few weeks is clear -- GoW is going to try to get you guys involved.
redstar1- we have no wish to get involved in a conflict, but at the same time our friends are in need
Togas- GoW and ND are going to talk to Lego. Sides are being drawn up
redstar1- no doubt GOW will come calling
redstar1- as far as i know we haven't been officially asked
redstar1- but i imagine they have been testing the waters
redstar1- in the same way, i imagine GS have been doing the same
redstar1- we are concerned about GS gaining cities on bob
redstar1- but i understand they are to be handed back
redstar1- ?
Togas- Frankly, we were going to give the cities to you.
Togas- We first came to Lego. Offered the cities, were rejected.
redstar1- i know
Togas- We then went to GS
redstar1- our initial reaction was that we didn't want to break any treaties
redstar1- but i don't think we thought GS might become involved or that things were quite so serious
Togas- things are very serious. We're being attacked with the UUs of two nations who are both in their golden ages.
redstar1- as it turns out, they were attacked anyway
Togas- it doesn't get any more serious or desperate for us
redstar1- ok guys so tell me, what do you need from Lego
redstar1- what do you request from lego to put it another way
redstar1- and i would imagine we would certiainly do what we can
Togas- Tech and gold will help, that is a given. I know my people will be extremely grateful to receive any such help.
redstar1- remembering we don't want to get dragged into a war
Togas- however, more than tech and gold, in my mind, is information.
Togas- we know you can't get involved, so we won't ask it. But I'd like to know what GoW and ND are secretly saying ... see if they show any signs of weakness or concern.
Togas- see if we're making a dent at all, or if anything we do seriously worries them. Anything that worries them is good for us
redstar1- ok, tech and gold are things that we have
redstar1- intel is a bit more tricky, do you guys have a map of all of bob?
Togas- anything you give us will be used solely to defend ourselves. If you'd like we will agree to a permanent No-Trade on anything give to us by Lego
Togas- we have maps of the continent, yes.
redstar1- ok
redstar1- so theres nothing we can give you there
redstar1- communications... i imagine we could try and find out some information for you
redstar1- what the plans are etc
Togas- any intelligence you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
redstar1- no problem
redstar1- you don't mind me posting the log of this?
Togas- that's fine.
redstar1- it will all have to go through the FAM and all that crap
redstar1- else he might get stroppy
Togas- I know that Lego is concerned about us getting GS involved. I just want to make it clear that they were our last choice, our only hope at trying to slow down the invaders. Thus far, we're not even sure it'll work, GoW is sacking GS cities now.
redstar1- yeah, how much hardware are GS supporting with?
Togas- GoW has a stack of 14 Riders stomping through eastern Spain. GS is sending units via galley, all we can see are their ships, all of East Spain is in their custody so we can't see their #s
redstar1- yeah
redstar1- i imagine they have plenty of ships anyway
Togas- they seem to.
redstar1- well lets hope they can protect you
Togas- we just hope they can protect themselves right now ... fighting that monster stack is going to be a major challange
redstar1- jees, where they get the time to build 14 offensive units!
Togas- horsemen upgrades, mostly
Togas- or so they say, GoW doesn't build much of anything
redstar1- hmmm, thats prob all they have,...
Togas- we pray that's all they have
NuclearisWinterius- if they have more, or even ND, weīre pretty much scrapped
redstar1- will GS intercept?
Togas- who knows
Togas- we just hope that GS will try to protect those cities and kill some/most of the GoW stack for us.
redstar1- well i suppose thats the least they will do
redstar1- meanwhile i'll push this and see what we can do for you
redstar1- oh, who told you we had a large navy?
Togas- I need some food. So I'll summarize and then go idle:
Togas- yes, we really could use gold to help us get mil units.
NuclearisWinterius- As you may know, time is against us, so please be fast wiht that aid...
Togas- I know all of Spain will be overjoyed to receive any gifts from Lego.
Togas- We would be more overjoyed if we could somehow get a Conquistador on the field and win a battle with him.
NuclearisWinterius- Much happier than to accept help from GS, thatīs for sure ...
Togas- If Lego could assist us that way, it would be like an early Christmas for Spain
redstar1- i think lego would be overjoyed if we can help avert another tragedy...
NuclearisWinterius- What is lego researching?
Togas- but lastly, any help and information you can give us will also be extremely helpful.
Togas- Even harmless sorts of alliances and pacts and comments can reveal quite a bit
Togas- GoW loves to talk, and (if nothing else) knowing what they know and what they are asking can be very helpful clues to their true thoughts
Togas- I need to get some food. I'll bbl.
NuclearisWinterius- have a nice lunch, togas
* Arnelos has joined #Castle
Arnelos- hello
NuclearisWinterius- Hello Arnelos!
Arnelos- I'm going to be idle while I'm packing out my apartment - go on
* Arnelos is now known as ArnIDLE
* NuclearisWinterius sets mode: +o ArnIDLE
ArnIDLE- my firewall won't let me do that
ArnIDLE- just e-mail it
ArnIDLE- arnelos at aol dot com
NuclearisWinterius- aol
NuclearisWinterius- Redstar, you there?
redstar1- yeah
redstar1- sorry
redstar1- phone
NuclearisWinterius- no problem
NuclearisWinterius- do you have an estimate of when youīll get an answer from your team?
redstar1- oh
redstar1- i should imagine its normally pretty quick
redstar1- its unlikely to come from me though
NuclearisWinterius- OK, just asked, cause so to say our belts are tight right now, and time is in ND and GoWīs side...
redstar1- yeah i understand
NuclearisWinterius- Well, you have any more questions?
* ArnIDLE is now known as Arnelos_is_Packing
NuclearisWinterius- well folks, i must take my leave, and Iīll be back later... My sister demands to use the fone and she has a sharp pencil sharpner there...
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