25-02-2003 03:51									#121
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Thank you, Milord. I have been very busy, I'm afraid. However, I did send a message earlier this week with the same general lines. I will send another today, but I must say this.

I do believe that the Neu Demogypticans are slowly cutting off contact with us, and this is disconcerting. It is Picahulu, and not I, that is slow to write.

	25-02-2003 05:41									#122
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DeepO's most recent PM to me, included with my most recent to him

quote: My apologies, Ninot, I was going to get back to you, but both rl issues and the discusions on our board has delayed me quite a bit. I sent a small note to Togas, to explain that we couldn't be interested in math, as we were acquiring it that turn too, and were hoping to sell it to you instead. But clearly, someone has been paying attention to Togas diplo lessons, as it came the same turn to both nations, without any possibility to trade it. We were under the impression that you might be interested to trade literature for CoL, it's evenly priced, we will have it very soon, and if we're both the first to receive it, nobody should get a disadvantage in the trade. We're planning on acquiring philosophy as well, so our next research goal would certainly be the republic. Please keep this in mind when setting your tech plans, you should be able to acquire republic from us before it would be possible for you to research it yourselves. (if, nothing unforeseen prevents us, of course, and unforeseen things have a way of happening in this game) If you would be interested in this trade, let me know, so we can start negotiate the details of it. I can understand that upon meeting us, you were eager to sign a deal with us, not only to deprive others from dealing with us (and yes, we seem to be in high demand), but also because most likely the situation on the main continent makes a bit of extra cash more then welcome. If you find yourselves in urgent need of gold due to the crisis, we would be willing to offer you a loan. This offer will stand for as long as we can without compromising our internal security, but details of course have to be discussed, and agreed upon by my team. As to how GS is doing: I'm not sure... I expect everything to still be very well, still happily building towards a superiority on this continent, but as I wasn't able to view all the board discussion the past few days, I can't say for sure. One thing is certain, the amount of posts has only increased with meeting more people, so many possibilities, so many dangers, a truely exciting world! Kind regards, DeepO of Gathering Storm. quote: quote: DeepO, How is Gathering Storm? Are there any new exciting tales from your nation? Out here in Roleplay land, we're just looking for things to do. Reading beeing one of them. We are in the process of researching Literature. And Roleplay is perticularly interested in what Gathering Storm might want to offer in a trade for this technology. This way of keeping documents could help you keep records of your exciting tales, perhaps to better share with your friends, the Roleplayers . Also, is there anything Gathering Storm might like to discuss? I think it can only help the excitement of the game if we increase our frequency of chatting, and share more friendly informations. It will create for more detailed stories, at least

	25-02-2003 05:44									#123
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the highlight of the PM is CoL for Lit, and news on their tech plans

however, despite my prodding, DeepO wont say more than "building towards a superiority on this continent"

	25-02-2003 05:50									#124
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Ninot -- Find out when they'll get Code of Laws. We will likely swap it for Literature, I just want to us to try to trade Literature to many nations at once so that we can maximise our trade options.

--Togas

	25-02-2003 21:48									#125
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The following was received from Darkill

quote: Thank you for your long and friendly note, i have forwarded it to our Ambasador Senor Picahulu. He will answer asap. Maybe you have already received a note from him because our Nation too doesn't want to be at bad terms with great Spain.

Not all that informative. Hopefully Picahulu writes soon.

--Togas

	25-02-2003 22:01									#126
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I had a chat with Nimitz last night, trying to work out a future tech deal with Legoland. Nimitz was (or was acting) utterly uniformed and vague about what his team is researching, but he implied they were working on Literature (they don't seem to give any concern about trading). I gave him a list of our tech and he indicated they wanted only Math, Writing, and Mysticism. They already have writing! My faith in Nimitz's competancy is very weak.

I offered him Horseback Riding, Literature, Warrior Code, etc but he said they didn't need those techs.

About all they can offer is Mapmaking. He can't offer his World Map unless he gets permission. They might have some gold, but we didn't discuss it, he was more interested in getting gossip about Lux Invicta than really working out a deal, and said that he wanted to wait for Vondrack to get online before giving me anything "official."

--Togas

	26-02-2003 05:03									#127
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When are we completing Lit?

quote: Ninot, Good to hear that. We should complete it in a few turns from now (2 or 3, depending of whether we played the turn already). When will you complete literature? DeepO quote: quote: DeepO We are interested in a deal of our Literature for your Code of Laws. When do you estimate that you'll complete research of this technology?

	26-02-2003 05:28									#128
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AMBASSADORS -- Find out if we can trade Literature to your team THREE TURNS from now.

We need to try to get a trade worked out with GoW and Vox.

Neu Dem has yet to write us back ...

Ninot-- Tell GS that we will have it in a "couple of turns" and ask them to offer us Code of Laws when they get it. We will respond with Literature.

--Togas

	26-02-2003 05:41									#129
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I sent another letter to Picahulu:

quote: Picahulu, History Guy tells me that his letters to you go unanswered. Now my letters seem to go unanswered. Last time I checked our nations were the best of friends, celebrated by the very cute Valentine's Day animation your team prepared that showed our two leaders together in peace and friendship. Why now the sudden change? --Togas p.s. Please, when you write back, address some of the issues and questions I asked in my last PM.

	26-02-2003 07:07									#130
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Let’s hope they’re just sleeping off the big meal they just had, couscous, tabouleh, German (yet non-pork) sausages, Turkish delight, and all, else the next message will be likely be the traditional “I divorce thee, I divorce thee, I divorce thee.”

Perhaps you should send HistoryGuy as an emissary with a big pot of paella

	27-02-2003 01:05									#131
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Received from Darekill:

quote: in reply of your pn a few days ago First of all i bring greetings of ND and some spices which taste great to your squid. My Ambassador the well known Picahulu is sad to be unable to answer your friendly note since there is so much other things he has to attent to. So i have to do the job which isn't that good because i'm not a good diplomat. We have almost completly destroyed the evil vilains of Lux Invictica there was no other choice because wittnessing them burning down theire very own citys and destroying the ver valuables of theire own people was just to much for us. If they had fought like men in the Field of honor maybe an honorable peace would have been possible but just running away and burning the houses of innocent people wasn't tolerable. If you should see one of their settlers be warned! Handle them with all the carefullness you can muster. Just tell us where he is and we take care of it. Maybe we could arrange some exchange of Literature for a thing called Code of Law if you are interested the sad thing is, we don't have that technology yet but would be probably able to give it to you, as soon as we get Literature from you. Arne has no interests of the spanish roads that are very comfortable but he prefers the hard stone under his feet. and since he is aware of what happened to his mate Thor he has sworn never to use roads if there is any other way to pass a land. Last but not least i'm proud to tell you that we can prolonge the NAP without further ado until 1000BC it can be possibly prolonged then again but that is something i can't garantee yet though i'm sure that the future looks peacefull upon our Lands. so if you wish just tell me and i will officialy declare the NAP between Spain and ND prolonged till 1000BC. your friend Darekill, Governor of Neu Demogyptica

	27-02-2003 01:43									#132
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We might have time to get that iron connected if we hurry

	27-02-2003 01:43									#133
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Sir,

Because Senor Picahulu is so busy, should I commence contacting Senor Darekill regularly instead? I am sure that if he had prepared no response to my many letters by now, Senor Picahulu shall never do so.

H.deH.G.C.

	27-02-2003 01:53									#134
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quote: Originally posted by pikesfan We might have time to get that iron connected if we hurry

Yes, I agree. Darekill wouldn't "dare kill" us if the NAP was extended

It seems omenous that he termed it as "prolonging" the agreement to 1000 BC, though

	27-02-2003 02:08									#135
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quote: Originally posted by History Guy Because Senor Picahulu is so busy, should I commence contacting Senor Darekill regularly instead?

History Guy -- Contact Darekill and send a CC to Picahulu. Tell him that we agree to extend the NA Treaty to 1000bc. Make sure to toss in some flowery and friendly language about how Togas and all of Spain wish to proclaim our friendship and extend our peace accord with our great neighbors to 1000bc.

Let him know that we have an agreement already to aquire Code of Laws with another civilization, but we would be happy to trade Literature with Neu Dem for another technology. Ask them to make us an offer.

--Togas

	27-02-2003 02:57									#136
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quote: Great, Ninot, I'll pass this note on to our players, so they don't forget... Do you have any plans for future research yet? DeepO quote: quote: DeepO, We should have Lit within a couple of turns. When you get CoL, offer it to us, and we should be able to respond with our half of the deal by then.

	27-02-2003 03:32									#137
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This message was attached to the save from GoW:

quote: We will have Mapmaking in 5 turns would your team be interested in trading world maps?

	27-02-2003 12:19									#138
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quote: Originally posted by ruby_maser Yes, I agree. Darekill wouldn't "dare kill" us if the NAP was extended It seems omenous that he termed it as "prolonging" the agreement to 1000 BC, though

It is likely that English is not Darekill's first language and he meant nothing ominous by the term "prolong". It was simply a word he knew to mean "extension of."

	27-02-2003 15:48									#139
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quote: Originally posted by Togas This message was attached to the save from GoW:

I would agree to exchange Territory Maps, but not World Maps.

	27-02-2003 17:31									#140
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quote: Originally posted by astrologix I would agree to exchange Territory Maps, but not World Maps.

ND and GoW have explored our part of the continent; we have much more to learn from them than the contrary.

	27-02-2003 17:50									#141
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quote: Originally posted by DAVOUT ND and GoW have explored our part of the continent; we have much more to learn from them than the contrary.

Agreed. ND most likely has virtually our entire area mapped. GoW will know our lands when they trade ND maps, if we don't trade them world maps the only one to lose is us.

	27-02-2003 18:17									#142
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DAVOUT and Thrumble,

I agree, I was wrong

	28-02-2003 20:05									#143
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THe conversation between Shiber (GS) and Vondrack was intercepted today. I then was talking to Vondrack about some more things and then when to ISDG stuff. Here is the transcript:

quote: [vondrack> I have some tough time in Lego these turns [Shiber> how come? [vondrack> membership growing a bit nervous [vondrack> about our lead diminishing [vondrack> that pay too much attention to the scores, I think [Shiber> i'm not sure i understand [vondrack> I mean [Shiber> what do you mean by 'membership growing a bit nervous'? [vondrack> they start to worry about the way we play [vondrack> our members [vondrack> fellow Legos [Shiber> who pays to much attention to scores? [vondrack> well, they do [vondrack> but seriously, with all the jungle here, it was something to be expected [Shiber> still having trouble with barbarians? [vondrack> yeah [vondrack> loads of them [vondrack> razed one camp two turns ago [vondrack> one on this turn [vondrack> and there is one more [Shiber> wow, so you must be getting a lot of gold and veterans [vondrack> nah [vondrack> gold, yes [Shiber> i wouldn't be so worried about the wretched jungle then [vondrack> but veterans? [vondrack> nope [vondrack> well, me neither [vondrack> but I am having difficult times keeping my teammates determined [vondrack> they start to panic a bit [vondrack> looking at the scores, they feel like we must be doing real bad, losing that nice lead... [vondrack> not the majority [vondrack> but several of them [vondrack> requires a lot of explaining, analyzing, and posting... [vondrack> anyway [vondrack> it's not that bad [vondrack> just that it used to be a bit easier to run the team [Shiber> must be fascinating, being isolated like this [Shiber> i think of all the opportunities... [vondrack> hehe... everything has its upsides and downsides [vondrack> just think of how much behind we must be in techs [Shiber> you'll be behind in tech, for sure, but all that gold from the barb huts will let you buy your way into the top [vondrack> do you think so? [vondrack> I'd think money would not be that highly valued... [Shiber> i'm positive [vondrack> I heard all the teams over there are now researching Tier 3 techs... [Shiber> it's true [vondrack> hmmmm [vondrack> sigh [Shiber> where are you in tech? [vondrack> just finishing Iron Working [Shiber> OMG [Shiber> well, if it improves your feeling, i'm sure that GS will cut you fair prices for techs if we're the first to make contact with your team [vondrack> thanks, appreciated [Shiber> we've played fair so far and we intend to continue this way until the end of the game [vondrack> I understand, glad to hear that [E_T_Waiting> Reminds me of when I was in the SPDG City Planner, I had to spell everything out and still had peopleclambering for more information [vondrack> hehe, yes [Shiber> [E_T_Waiting> the good thing about being so far behind in the techs, is that they will be cheaper to buy [E_T_Waiting> or research [E_T_Waiting> Like IW, you just started that and now have it done. You'll Probibly do the same with the Wheel [vondrack> hmmm... I do not think that techs are getting cheaper [vondrack> unless we MEET civs that know them [E_T_Waiting> That Way, you know were all of your resources are and can start building those units [vondrack> at least IW is exactly 144 beakers for us, no discount [E_T_Waiting> well. If anything, your research base is a lot more than everybody esle has [E_T_Waiting> *else [E_T_Waiting> and that is want you need to emphasize to your people. [vondrack> hmm, let's hope you are right... even though I would not be so sure... especially you, RP’ers seem to be catching up on us quite nicely last turns... [E_T_Waiting> It all depends on how you lood at the numbers [E_T_Waiting> *loog [vondrack> [E_T_Waiting> *Look [vondrack> I know [vondrack> it's not me who's losing faith... ) [E_T_Waiting> then, just slap them around with a wet noodle.... [vondrack> oh, I'm slapping like mad... )) [E_T_Waiting> Then don't worry about it, unless the rumbles are enough to get you thrown out of the lego leadership [vondrack> [vondrack> it's not that bad yet [E_T_Waiting> try to make a few of your most outspoken people start doing some number crunching or something, so that he gets a fell for what your talking about [E_T_Waiting> *feel [vondrack> oh... get Sharpe do some number crunching? that's impossible... [vondrack> he just has feelings and concerns [vondrack> no number crunching [vondrack> ) [E_T_Waiting> like your F11 Productivity, it must be #1, right [vondrack> yes, I think so [E_T_Waiting> then make him feel Important, give him a flashy job and let him get distracted by that... Remember, when you can't dazzle then with your brilliance, baffle them with your bullshit.. [vondrack> LoL [vondrack> good idea [vondrack> just that when he was asked to run for some post [vondrack> he said he did not have time enough [vondrack> but then was the most often posting member... [vondrack> go figure [vondrack> I mean - he is often right that this or that could be done in a different way [vondrack> but we canùt do everything [vondrack> can't [vondrack> resources are limited [vondrack> Trip did right burning his own cities, IMHO

Eta Tamali

	01-03-2003 05:09									#144
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latest from DeepO

quote: Ninot, I'm sorry for the delay, but as not all our diplomatic contacts were as quick as you to respond to our proposals, we needed to delay the trade one turn. We noticed you discovered literature, and hope you're not waiting anxiously for CoL to build courthouses. Our team considered it wiser to delay the trade, instead of risking upsetting teams on the deminished value of the tech. I hope you understand, and don't take offense in this delay. If you want to speed the deal up, you could offer us literature in your turn (if it hasn't passed already), but please know that for us it makes no difference, we'll gladly be the ones offering CoL first. DeepO quote: quote: DeepO, We should have Lit within a couple of turns. When you get CoL, offer it to us, and we should be able to respond with our half of the deal by then.

	01-03-2003 06:30									#145
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I sent a note to Vox with the save file asking them if they'd like to trade us something for Literature.

I imagine we will shortly trade Literature to Gathering Storm, and I'd like to have a chance to trade it to Vox at the same time ... if they get back to us. They're probably one of the least organized teams around.

--Togas

	01-03-2003 06:59									#146
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quote: Originally posted by Togas They're probably one of the least organized teams around.

Why, are the Big Mouth’s teeth falling out? Maybe we should trade them a dentist instead

	01-03-2003 09:37									#147
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Just got the following message from GoW. Let me know what to tell them and I'll get on it.

-- adaMada

quote: Greetings, adaMada of Roleplay! Glory of War scientists have been working tirelessly to discover a new technology. We call this "map making". It allows different civilizations to share maps with each other, thus sharing their knowledge of geography. The Glory of War is working on finding a suitable deal with the Roleplay team in which Glory of War will trade map making to Roleplay for something in return. I was hoping that you would supply us with the information about what you would be willing to trade for map making. By the way, the Glory of War will aquire map making in 5 turns. Thank You, Panzer32 Foreign Affairs Consul for the Glory of War

	01-03-2003 11:46									#148
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AdaMada -- We can offer them Literature or Code of Laws in exchange for MapMaking. Tell them that we are also interested in trading world maps.

--Togas

	01-03-2003 20:17									#149
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quote: Originally posted by Togas AdaMada -- We can offer them Literature or Code of Laws in exchange for MapMaking. Tell them that we are also interested in trading world maps. --Togas

Do we have any preference as to which to give em, or should we let em have their pick (by admitting we can give em either)? Is either tech widely available, or are they both still rare?

-- adaMada

	02-03-2003 00:47									#150
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I received the following PM from BFM:

quote: Hello Togas! We have not talked since some time. This should change, is my opinion. RP is the only Civ on the continent we can really trust. I sent a message to jdjdjd, but he told me I should speak to you personally. Much has happened since our last posts. The evil ND people, who speak a strange language, have attacked us and we were forced to burn our cities to the ground. A pity. We really hope that they'll not be able to find our last Settler, otherwise, we will be doomed. But we have taken precautions to keep it hidden from them. In the meantime, we may be able to do business. We learned the secret of Mathematics, which you already know, and will soon be getting Writing and MapMaking. Yes - we are still a nation of traders, as you can see. As you might know, we are a Scientific Civ, meaning that we'll get a Free Tech once we have all mandatory Ancient Era techs. That is why we want to strike a deal with you. If you can provide us with two of the following techs: Philosophy, Construction or Currency (or one such tech and an amount of Gold, or one such tech and either Republic or Monarchy), we will give you our free tech in return, once we reach the Medieval Era. Remember that this tech is free for us, but quite costly for you - the research needed is considerably higher...! I hope to hear from you soon! BFM of Lux Invicta

I wrote him back saying we'd consider their offer however, I was somewhat annoyed that our two requests to trade them Writing have been ignored and I'd like to first know why they haven't responded to our attempts to sell them writing before I consider this deal.

--Togas