02-03-2003 00:48									#151
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada Do we have any preference as to which to give em, or should we let em have their pick (by admitting we can give em either)? Is either tech widely available, or are they both still rare? -- adaMada

Let 'em pick.

--Togas

	02-03-2003 03:37									#152
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from Trip:

quote: I'd prefer that you not post this message at your forum, for the contents remain rather sensitive. I've been trying to get into contact with 4 teams at once, none of which are available, none of which I can track down, and all of which have sucked up my time trying, so I apologize for the delay in responding. I would rather keep the knowledge of Lux's whereabouts a secret for as long as possible. The fewer people that know, the better. If your team figures out the puzzle, then more power to them, but I'd rather them figure it out than them being told. This is a very delicate issue, and the longer that GoW and ND are running around looking for us the better, and the more time you'll have to build up while their forces remain scattered. I've been in discussions with many teams regarding Writing, and we don't have a definite agreement with anyone yet. Currently we have offers for Writing at and below 40 gold, so RP may or may not wish to conduct a trade at this price, but let me know. Right now, Lux is looking for the smallest offer, since our financial resources are quite strained. I look forward to seeing what you think of the deal that BFM has suggested regarding our free scientific tech. Yours, Trip, King Lux Invicta

	02-03-2003 03:38									#153
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My message to Trip and BFM:

quote: First I'd like to say that the secret of Lux's escape will stay with my team should they figure it out. Right now we have spied GoW and ND troops scattered all over your former territories trying to hunt down your last city. It's a joy to watch and the longer they flounder about searching the more time my nation has to prepare. Second, trading with your nation is a win-win situation. Whenever we give technology to another nation we risk the possibility of it being used against us, however, with your nation we have no such risk. We only hope that you will return one day and reclaim your old city sites and take your final revenge on Neu Dem and Glory of War. We also hope that you can remain an ally in our efforts to survive their cunning and treachery. Third, and most importantly, we have grown very unhappy lately that our tech deals have gone unanswered and techs that are primarily Spanish are being sought for from swindlers and enemies. Lux Invicta should aquire Writing and Literature ... two Spanish acheivements ... from Spain. Not from some second or third rate nation overseas. The fact that you have not asked for either of these technologies leads us to believe that some swindlers are trying to pass off our knowledge behind our backs. You have a very clever proposal, and I am certain that you plan to obtain innumerable techologies from the free one you discover. Spain is merely a pawn in this scheme, and while I admire your cunning, I will agree to participate if you will agree to the following: 1) You will buy Writing from us for 50 gold. 2) We will give you 2 of the following: Philosophy, Construction, Currency, Literature, Polytheism, 50 gold, World Map ... OR we will give you Monarchy OR Republic ... in exchange for the free technology you discover. Do note that if we do not participate and everyone else does, we will be able to get quite a bargain from those who have the "free tech" as there will be an abundance of it to go around. Also note, if we already have the "Free tech" this deal would be void. --Togas

	02-03-2003 03:51									#154
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Message just sent to Panzer: (Thought I'd put a bit of roleplay in there to hide the lack of real content aside from the two technologies and the request to trade maps )

quote: Panzer, Greetings, and good to hear from you . Speaking with our wise men, I've learnt that we have two new bits of knowledge that could play a part in such a deal -- "Literature" and "Code of Laws". Perhaps your wise men have heard of them? I still struggle to understand this "map" concept, though our scouts are giddy with glee over the concept. I've been asked to tell you that we'd be interested in trading world maps with you, once we've both got the appropriate technology. Thank you for your time. I hope your wise men can make some sense of this information -- mine have driven me mad with explanations of these (apparently wonderous) new maps you speak of. Perhaps I'll understand better once I've seen these so-called Maps for myself, as I trust I will be able to soon. -- adaMada Togas' Ambassador to Glory of War

	03-03-2003 10:03									#155
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New message from Trip re: trade

quote: I'm afraid to have to tell you that we cannot trade with you to acquire Writing. It was my wish to do so, but - please keep this quiet - Vox has, for all intents and purposes, blackmailed us into dealing with them for Writing and Map Making, and we have no opportunity to disagree with this situation. I still hope to do as much trade with RP as possible, and hopefully this won't hurt our future trade situation, as it was not my desire for this to occur. I apologize for any inconvenience or sour feelings this may cause. Trip King Lux Invicta

	05-03-2003 05:19									#156
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A message I sent to Betahound of Vox Controli

quote: Betahound, This is a delicate matter that I felt would be better addressed with a letter from one leader to another. I don't want to funnel the message through a few ambassadors, as it might not be communicated very well. My nation and yours have no formal relations and other than a few talks I had with Jon Miller ... back when he was your leader, we really haven't talked. We have not completed any deals with you, nor have we received any offers. Furthermore, it seems that when we do make offers, they are ignored. On Sunday I received a message from Trip of Lux Invicta telling me that he was sorry, but that he could not go through with the deal we had made regarding Writing, because he "has to" trade with your nation instead. When I pressed him in chat he was evasive, couldn't explain it much further, but kept insisting that in his curent situation he had "no choice" but to trade with Vox instead of Spain. Now, I wouldn't want to seem too paranoid, but it does seem to us that Vox Controli is acting in a very hostile mannor to Spain. We'd like to understand why it is that Vox is so disinterested in maintaining a friendship with Spain and why you would threaten Lux in such a mannor that they would cancel a deal they had with us. I think that our two nations should sit down and discuss this very soon, at least before the cold shoulder turns into a cold war. We have relations with your rivals, Gathering Storm, and we trade with them. We would like to also trade with you. Please contact me soon so that we can personally discuss this. --Togas

	06-03-2003 04:30									#157
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message from Dissident

quote: Greeting fair nation of Roleplay. I have no idea what deal you have with Lux. And I'm not sure why they cannot carry this deal through. I am beginning to be concerned how difficult Lux is to deal with. Has this been your experience? They are ruining our relations with other nations it seems. What would you propose we do? I am having second thoughts about having any diplomatic contact with Trip. Our controller Betahound has been very busy trying to patch things up with Lux and other nations we are in contact with. We will try to sort this out.

	06-03-2003 04:31									#158
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message from Betahound:

quote: Togas - my apologies that it has come to this. We meant no offence. And trust me on this one when I say that if you are frustrated by recent events, we are many times more so. Our good intent is clearly not what has come across through Lux, and as you can guess, the story is somewhat different than is being relayed to you. Hostility towards you has never been one of our intentions. We had little idea as to what was being presented to the international community, and I regret that I have not contacted RolePlay earlier to set the matter straight. We value RP's early friendship. We also value our reputation, which appears to getting dragged through the mud without our knowledge, and based on incorrect information. I appreciate you writing me. We have some serious deliberations at Vox. I will touch base shortly with you for a longer conversation. For now, you have Vox's apologies, and our best regards. Sincerely ... Beta

	06-03-2003 04:44									#159
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Orders for diplomats:
Nuc Winter -- We offered Literature to Vox Controli. Try to get a deal worked out with them. Read some of the above PMs I've received, reply to them ... thank them for writing us back, tell them that I'll write them personally as well. Talk up how we want to try to create a stronger realtionship with their team and would like to discuss a research pact whereby we agree to research different things so as to not compete with each other.

History Guy -- Try to see what ND will trade us for Literature and ask them what they're researching now ... and next. Chat a bit about the war with Lux and ask if they're going to leave Lux with 1 city or try to kill Lux off. Oh, and Get another copy of the Stone of Spain done!

adaMada -- What is the timeline for mapmaking? Ask to trade Lit for Mapmaking AND trade WM for WM. Also ask to chat with Ghengis about the Lux issue and find out if they're going to leave Lux with 1 city or try to kill them off. Ask about how things are going with ND and who's going to settle in Lux's old land.

Godking -- Find out how much it will cost us to get Philosophy and if GS wants Horseback Riding from us.

Thud -- Write Nimitz to find out what his big news is. He sent me a short message "Chat with me in Civ3dem for big legoland news" ... but wasn't there to chat.

--Togas

	06-03-2003 05:45									#160
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Orders for diplomats: adaMada -- What is the timeline for mapmaking? Ask to trade Lit for Mapmaking AND trade WM for WM. Also ask to chat with Ghengis about the Lux issue and find out if they're going to leave Lux with 1 city or try to kill them off. Ask about how things are going with ND and who's going to settle in Lux's old land.

Togas,
They never replied to me about map-making -- I'll go ahead and get up with them and propose the trade above, since it doesn't seem like they're anxious to do it.

Though I think we've all guessed where Lux is, what does Ghengis know about the deal? I don't want to give anything away that shouldn't be... should I just pretend that I'm assuming that Lux has one last city hidden someplace?

-- adaMada

	06-03-2003 06:40									#161
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quote: Originally posted by adaMada Though I think we've all guessed where Lux is, what does Ghengis know about the deal? I don't want to give anything away that shouldn't be... should I just pretend that I'm assuming that Lux has one last city hidden someplace?

Yep. We should just assume that there's 1 Lux city left somewhere and that we're just waiting for GoW or ND to find and destroy it.

--Togas

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Had a chat with Nimitz today about his 'big news'. As it turns out, they discovered that there is an island north of Legoland, and that island is next to .... Glory of War. They are going to sail there first and make contact within 6-7 turns. Nimitz figures GoW will sell us contact with Legoland, but says that if not they will travel down the coast to get contact with us on their own.

Nimitz told me that he cannot tell me what techs they have and do not have as his team won't allow it. I gave him a guilt-trip about how we should be working together and not distrusting each other, and he replied that they probably will once we've met. He doesn't want to make any deals now because they may not be obsolete when we meet.

He said that they will probably tell what they have when we've met so we can trade ... and he also hinted that things will be different when he becomes FAM of Legoland.

--Togas

	06-03-2003 08:58									#163
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Lord Togas,

I bring sad tidings. My father, Hernan de History Guy Calamari, died this day of natural causes. His last words were: "Hide the secret of my father until the day comes that it may be revealed, my son...and by the way, the new squid recipe is pretty good. You know, in fact, I'd go so far to say it's great. Nothing keeps off competition like cheap squid that is far superior to the garbage variety." Whereupon, he died.

I am too busy now for ambassadorial position, I am loathe to report. No time is free. All I have the ability to do now is to take care of my thriving business, raise local militia, and donate money to the cities, as well as preside as new assistant High Priest. Perhaps I shall be in future a great help to Spain. I hope so, but do not know. My father was a great man, I believe, and will surely be missed...

Fernand de History Guy Calamari
Squid Baron
Son of the late Hernan de History Guy Calamari the Younger

	07-03-2003 04:09									#164
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sent to Neu Dem:

quote: Picahulu, My ambassador to your nation has a family emergency involving his father, and he has requested a leave of absence from his post. Until I find a suitable replacement, I will have to take care of his duties myself. Our nation has Literature and we'd like to establish an exchange with your nation. What are you researching now and would you like to trade that knowledge to us for Literature when you have completed it? --Togas

	07-03-2003 04:19									#165
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sent to Betahound of Vox

quote: Betahound, Wow... hard to comment on the demise of Lux Invicta. Seems ironic that it was your nation that destroyed them, with everyone else on my nation so rabbidly anti-Lux. They would have been dead quite a while ago if not for your team's very costly gift to them of a city. Trip had come to me with a similar proposal and I turned him down immediately. My team doesn't have extra cities to give away, I doubt yours did either. Any chance you'll ever go public with why things turned out so bad? I can't help but wonder if my own PM to you about Trip's comments sparked some sort of change of heart by your nation. If that were the case, I would feel horrible. But back to business, we would like to trade you Literature. We'd like to know if you have anything to offer in exchange for it. If not, we'd like to find out what you're researching now and possibly trade you Literature for it when you're done. Please get back to me soon on this. Lastly, my Ambassador, Nuclear Winter, has returned and should be contacting you shortly. If you hear from him and me, please feel free to contact him first. Thanks! --Togas

	07-03-2003 10:41									#166
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SrWIA enters the palace and prostrates himself before Togas El Magnificente Imperio de Oro

My most enthusiastic yet humble salutations to you, lider Togas. I have much to thank you for, both for introducing civilisation to our lands and to the benifecence of your rule. It has long been my dream to make supplications before you in person.

I have received word that there are postes gone begging in your enlightened Government. I am here hoping to persuade you to give a poor Iberico a chance at satisfying one of these roles as a thank you for all that you do.

	07-03-2003 11:39									#167
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Senor WhereItsAt,

You have come at a fortunate time. Our former ambassador to Neu Dem has died, and there is no one suitable in his family to take on the role.

I would be very pleased to give you the new title and responsibility of Ambassador to Neu Demogliptica, our neighbors to the north and the most important foreign relations position that exists in Spain.

If you accept this role, please send a Private Messanger to myself and Picahulu, the representative of the Arabs, to introduce yourself and get aquainted. I will send you further information in a Private Message about the history of our relations and your current tasks.

--Togas

	09-03-2003 21:51									#168
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Special Note: If Ghengis asks you about "military maneuvers", please tell him that we are "discussing it in the forums". Full reasoning listed below, but for any lazy/busy people who aren't going to read the whole post

Between today and yesterday, I've gotten five PMs from Panzer, most of which have contradictory/revised information. I've got all the information sorted out now, however, and I can make a report for the general public.

Diplomatic deals (potential and concluded):

• We will be trading Literature + WM for Map Making + WM as per Ghengis' negotiations with Togas last night. We will also be trading maps again if and when we get them from Vox/GS.
  
• They are offering contact with Lego and Philosophy (once they get it form Lego) for us to make a deal on. Remember that we will soon acquire contact with Lego assuming their boat arrives, though it sounds like GoW got exclusive rights to Philosophy, a deal which Lego may or may not be willing to break.
  
• Ghengis wants to stage some "War Maneuvers" -- an opportunity for both sides to kill off some of the other's warriors and (as a result) to try and get some GLs. We're telling him that it's being "Discussed in the forums", but it sounded like it was discussed by a larger body yesterday and it was decided that it wasn't a deal we were all that interested in. Doing some math, it seems like it'd take a ton of warriors to do it, so I'd probably have to agree, though I wouldn't mind using such "Maneuvers" as a ruse if we ever were to attack ND -- declare war on GoW, come together and attack in the middle (where ND can see us fighting), kill a few warriors that way, and then suddenly turn around and attack an ND city instead of GoW. Might catch em off guard... Anyway, unless Togas decides otherwise, right now we're "dicussing it on the forums", and I'd suggest citing "prohibitive costs" whenever Ghengis mentions it. I'd also suggest telling him that we "may be able to afford it in the future" -- as long as we don't give him a specific time frame, we can just delay and delay with excuse after excuse until he no longer wants it or it's no longer practical.
  

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	09-03-2003 22:34									#169
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The deal that Togas had worked out with Ghengisfarb

quote: [15:35] [Togas> sending the following agreement to GF to ratify: [15:35] [Togas> Roleplay agrees to: [15:35] [Togas> Give our World Map to Glory of War in exchange for their World Map [15:35] [Togas> Not try to sell or trade Mapmaking for 10 turns. [15:35] [Togas> Give Glory of War our World Map again on the first occasion of us receiving the World Map of Vox and Gathering Storm. [15:35] [Togas> Glory of War agrees to: [15:35] [Togas> Give our World Map to Roleplay in exchange for their World Map [15:35] [Togas> Give Roleplay our World Map again on the first occasion of us receiving the World Map of Vox and Gathering Storm. [15:36] [Togas> Give Roleplay our World Map on the first occasion of us receiving the World Map of Legoland. [15:36] [Togas> Agreed to by: [15:36] [Togas> Togas of Roleplay

Also, we should be having a summit with Vox today at 2AM GMT (I think that's 9PM EST). We will be discussing our relations with them and trying to set up better lines of communications with them.

E_T

	10-03-2003 03:45									#170
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PM sent to Vondrack

(note: in my private conversation with Vondrack he mentioned that Legoland would help pay for 1/2 of the contact price for their nation, as I was rather concerned that they were not going to contact us and that GoW would charge us a large sum of gold for contact).

quote: Vondrack, We have successfully negotiated with Glory of War to aquire contact with your nation for 40 gold. We feel that contact with your nation is worth paying this amount (we probably would have paid more, and are glad we didn't have to!), and we are happy to have arranged it. We would like to ask that Legoland help pay for 1/2 of the cost of contact you. Please let us know as soon as you can.

--Togas

	10-03-2003 10:36									#171
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LEGOLAND CONTACT TRADE

If you didn't catch it, we negotiated with Ghengis Farb of GoW this afternoon for contact with Legoland.

This is in addition to our previously arranged trade for Mapmaking & WM for Literature & WM.

GoW gives:
Contact with Legoland, Philosophy.

RP gives:
40 gold
Agreement not to sell or trade Contact or Philosophy for 10 turns.

......

SUMMIT WITH VOX CONTROLI

In our "summit" meeting tonight with Vox Controli a lot of things were discussed, but it was mostly a friendly chat designed to bolster relations between our two sides and get them to consider us for future trades. Dissident, Betahound, and Jon_Miller were all there ... pretty much their whole "active" team.

We nearly made a trade deal for Mapmaking as GoW was asking a hefty sum but Vox decided at the last minute that they couldn't because they had agreed to buy it from GoW, and didn't want to break that agreement. Vox seemed truely interested in trading with us in the future or at least contacting us in the future as we were offering to bid lower than GoW.

We chatted a bit about politics and our future fears. Vox confirmed that they had a strong relationship with Gathering Storm and did not forsee any future wars on their continent. They talked a bit about the Lux situation and seemed very burned by the whole Lux affair, not wanting to go into details other than they wish Lux would have simply "gone into hiding" for several turns after the deal was made, instead of talking to everyong. Dissident described Lux's problem as a "diplomatic problem" in that Lux's agressive Diplomacy put Vox on edge. They confirmed that no Luxians have asked to join Vox yet, and they later expressed interest in BFM and sent him a PM. They all seemed rather unhappy with Trip and expressed displeasure at the thought of him joining our team.

They are not interested in selling or trading their maps at this time.

They are likely going to research Currency, and they have recently finished Philosophy. We told them we were working on Polytheism.

They agreed to our proposal for a NON-AGRESSION PACT, and we agreed to a term of 50 turns for the pact. We need to send over an official PM/treaty for them to post and ratify.

All in all it was a pleasant chat and I urge members of this team to small talk and chat with members of Vox Controli whenever possible. We need to start creating new and building new friendships.

--Togas

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	10-03-2003 10:39									#172
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Nuclear Winter -- You are to IMMEDIATELY write up a Non-Agression Pact and send it to Dissident of Vox Controli ( Krusher3X@yahoo.com ) for their approval. We agree to a Non-Agression Pact for 50 turns with them. If we get the pact signed before they play their next save, it will be ratified on Turn 70. If not, it'll be turn 71. I'd prefer Turn 70.

If you have any questions, drop into our chatroom.

--Togas

	10-03-2003 10:54									#173
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PM received from Vondrack of Legoland:

quote: Togas, I am happy to hear that we now have an ingame contact. I have posted your PM in our forum and asked for the approval of my teammates. But as I sort of pre-discussed the compensation with some of our members over IRC yesterday, I do not expect any objections. I have also asked them about if they agree to make the deal for Republic (+those 20 gold, paid immediately) for Polytheism and Currency. As you indicated you'd be happy with such a deal, it may expedite things to know what they think and possibly get their authorization in advance... (again, the early "unofficial" responses during our private Lego chat were positive). I will get back to you later today - probably around the same time we talked yesterday. Cheers, Radek aka vondrack

Note: As many have pointed out, this isn't a good trade for us ... we have no use for Republic unless we can aquire it and trade it to Vox & GS.

However, as it will likely take Legoland nearly 40 turns to research the tech, we may change our mind down the road or we may discover an excuse later on to not follow through.

At this time I believe we should be very supportive of Legoland, give some positive feedback to any tech trade discussions, but not commit to any trades or sales that far off in the future.

--Togas

	11-03-2003 16:59									#174
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Most venerated and dominant Don Togas, he who is referred to as Lo Mas Grande by the maidens of the valleys, just how often will it be necessary to journey to the lands of Neu Demogliptica and engage in witty banter and hob-nobbing?

Moreover, how active do I need to be and when (time, not date)?

From he who has travelled far on elbows and knees merely to be touched lightly by the holy saliva of Lo Mas Maravilloso Togas that showers when he speaks his sagely words to impart divine inspired knowledge to his nobles,

SrWIA.

	12-03-2003 06:27									#175
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I'm reporting here for NuclearWinter. He askes someone in Chat to please Report this:

quote: [NuclearisWinterius> well unfortunately I´m not here for long, [NuclearisWinterius> school is taking my post time away, so if you can please tell someone that I´ve sent the non agrssion deal to Dissident, but no answer until now. Tell ´em I sent it yesterday.

E_T

	12-03-2003 06:54									#176
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To All Ambassadors:

Do not feel that you may only act when given a mandate or instructions from me. I urge you to be proactive and to contact and communicate with your nations on your own, and to bring back information to us that you have learned from them.

Should you have any questions about what is OK and no OK to offer, post it here and I will answer it. You should be seeking out FUTURE tech trade options (but not full fledged deals, those need to be discussed first), future peace and cooperative deals, and keeping an eye out for possible deals and schemes.

Our Goals for each nation:

Glory of War -- A closer relationship that borders on an alliance, agrements to share information learned about our common enemies, and we should consider talks about a possible alliance in the event that Neu Dem goes to war with one of us. We should also negotiate future tech deals. All in all, GoW is our rival and a dangerous competator in all areas from military to technology, however, we both share a common rival that cannot be ignored and that overshadows our other competitive interests. Good relations with GoW are a high priority, especially as we move into the Middle Ages.

Neu Demogliptica -- Our biggest threat, our only neighbor, our interests are to maintain peaceful trade and to maintain long term peace deals with their nation. Our diplomatic goals are to convince Neu Dem that we are not a threat nor a competator, and to convince them that we can be trusted so that they will look to their north for conquest.

Legoland -- Their blinding self-intrest has made it very hard to play "friend" to an isolationist Legoland. They continue to research technology we do not need and continue to seek relationships with other closer nations. Our ambassadors (and other team members) must work overtime to gain the trust and friendship of Legoland ... a Legoland that looks to be pulling away from their duties to us. They agree we have a "tech alliance" however they don't seem to want to actually use it.

Vox Controli -- Small and also isolationist, we have just started to try to create a friendship with this nation and our efforts must continue to gain their attention, respect, and trust. They have never completed a deal with us, and have a tight relationship with Gathering Stom that we need to undermine. Future tech deals and alliances with this nation may be in our best interest depending on how relations with Gathering Storm turn out.

Gathering Storm -- Logical and careful, we will get no where with witty banter and chatter, we must instead make well reasoned deals and be sure to include no-trade clauses as they are nearly as opportunistic as GoW. They are fair traders, but we must strike early deals as it takes them time to consider them. Should they ever make a move on their continent or to move to another continent, we must get involved at some level to ensure that their power does not expand too rapidly.

--Togas

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quote: Originally posted by Togas Senor WhereItsAt, You have come at a fortunate time. Our former ambassador to Neu Dem has died, and there is no one suitable in his family to take on the role. I would be very pleased to give you the new title and responsibility of Ambassador to Neu Demogliptica, our neighbors to the north and the most important foreign relations position that exists in Spain. If you accept this role, please send a Private Messanger to myself and Picahulu, the representative of the Arabs, to introduce yourself and get aquainted. I will send you further information in a Private Message about the history of our relations and your current tasks. --Togas

As I imagine the diplomatic residence with Neu Demogliptica ahs been vacant some time, I imagine that it is urgent to set a new ambassador to work there.

Please answer my questions above and I will start work whenever I am needed.

	12-03-2003 11:19									#178
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Senor WhereItsAt,

There is no easy answer. You will be called to travel to the embassy we have established (the ONLY Embassy Spain has built ... consider yourself very fortunate you have an established quarters) in the north as the needs of your nation compel you to. I would like to see you make this journey at least once every 10 turns, but you will be required to urgently contact Neu Dem as soon as asked regarding any number of matters.

I may require you to meet in chat with members of Neu Demoglyptica on occasion, and you may also arrange for such meetings on your own at times that work for you, but if there is an emergency and you are not present I will try to arrange for a chat myself.

The job of an ambassador is to maintain good relations and contact, and to be available for important diplomatic affairs. My hope is that in time you will also become our resident "expert" on their civilization, to lend your opinion on what they may do, should asked.

--Togas

	13-03-2003 07:25									#179
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Sent to Neu Dem:

quote: To Our Northern Friends: Arne has spent several lifetimes in Spain, he has been to every corner of our great land. We believe now would be an excellent time for him to return home. As you know, there is only one way out of Spain and our cultural borders will soon swell to close even that route off. Arne's scouting mission is complete, he serves only to watch us and report back to you on our activities. Frankly, many of the powerful families of Spain have brought compliants to me, calling Arne a spy, worrying that he is watching us to pick the right time for an attack. I don't want to give any credit to their fears, but I worry as the complaints seem to only grow in number ... and I do not want the people of Spain to grow in their suspicions of our good friends from Neu Theben. Please, for the good of my people and for the good or Arne, send him home. It will greatly reduce suspicions within my people and help to keep the peace between our nations. I urge you to do this for the benefit of both of our nations. --Togas, Lord of Spain

	14-03-2003 20:21									#180
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quote: Hello Togas, we have read your pm concerning Arne and i must sa that we were mildly surprised. Arne did never block in anyway yout troops or settlers or anything else. He never entered your cultural borders and if he wnat's to we will ask for your permission to do so. If you don'T want to give these permission Arne will enter a ND Vessel that will be there on time if he want's to come home. You own scouting warrior's are sightet far in the north and at our south borders time after time. We don't mind and we do not call them spy's. So what is bothering you? Do you have Things to hide? Are you preparing an attack? We hope not because we allways thought that you would be a friendly and peaceful nation though your setteling policy is debatet among our ranks. So leave Arne be. He'll come home exactly at the time he want's to not sooner but not later also.