30-12-2003 00:14									#241
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from Aggie:

quote: That is good. We were discussing that too in our forum. We should get back to you soon on that. Best wishes and Merry Christmas and happy New Years Aggie.

	30-12-2003 06:25									#242
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from MZ:

quote: We have been discussing the situation with the two cities Barcelona and New Madrid and we are willing to offer GS a free lux deal for them or perhaps a favorable (to GS) tech trade. Tell me what you guys think.

	30-12-2003 15:14									#243
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quote: We have discussed this among our team and have agreed to trade you guys Chemistry once it is researched in exchange for those two cities as well as a lux deal from GS. Also there would be a 20-turn no-trade clause attached to Chemistry.

	30-12-2003 18:53									#244
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quote: MZ, Friends, it seems we have a deal. A twenty turn NDA on Chemistry is cool - and can you assure GS that the cities won't go to ND - who have too many cities atm . We're sure you won't do this but we just need your word. Mechanics: Any advice from your PBEM vets would be appreciated here... Can we (1) send you Barc and NM accepted, and in a seperate deal this turn we (2) send you furs unnaccepted, to which you respond with furs=wines accepted? Or - is there a risk that this might not work and only one of the deals can be done - in which case should we do the lux deal this turn and the cities on the turn after? I'll try set up a test in hot-seat tonight if necessary, to see if both can be safely done in one turn. If not, or we don't wish to delay too long, we could do it over two turns. Regards, Cort.

	30-12-2003 22:50									#245
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quote: Hi MZ, Does this sound right? If we send NM, Barc, Furs unaccepted, and you reply with Wines accepted, then we accept on the start of our turn and all should be in place. Cheerz, CH

	31-12-2003 01:29									#246
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quote: Hi Aggie, MZ's mailbox is full - so I'm sending you this : I apologise for the misunderstanding. If you needed an extra lux too, I don't think we can meet that as part of the city deal. How about a straight lux-for-lux deal this turn though? - we can leave the cities open (literally!) for negotiation if you can assure us that ND can't reach then on their turn, and if you think there is a deal that can be reached. If so, please make us a counter-offer. I can send furs unnaccepted this turn - if GoW wish to trade lux just return wines accepted. Regards, CH quote: I think there was a slight misunderstanding, we were referring to a free lux by GS in exchange for the tech. If you guys want a further tech deal (straight up 1 for 1) we can also negotiate that separately. -MZ

	01-01-2004 00:28									#247
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quote: Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I had the old pop up blocker blocking my PM notice and forgot to check manually. I am really inexperienced about PBEM too(the only games I've played are the demogames, every other game seems to collapse for some reason). I'll discuss the tech deals and lux deal to see what everyone wants(there is quite a bit of opposition to giving chem at all, astonomy also is possible but since that leads to navigation). But certainly a lux deal is ok I'm sure. In the end it might be that the 2 cities might be abandoned. In that case that area will probably be settled by ND. There is very much arguement about whether 2 distant cities where corruption is absolute, are worth a tech like chem that leads to Military Tradition. But discussions will continue. Happy New Years Aggie

	02-01-2004 17:22									#248
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quote: Hi, and Happy New Year, Aggie. I'd have thought that Barca's silks and nearby Saltpeter (you could rush settlers in Barc / NM) would have represented significant value. How about if we offered some gold on top of the cities?

	06-01-2004 01:10									#249
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quote: Hi MZ, Happy New Year . We've suggested to RP that they might like to consider making peace with GoW, and while there appears to be no unanimous militant determination within RP to continue with an endless cold war, there are some sore feelings that aren't in any urgent hurry to offer GoW early favours. GS currently have no formal vassel arrangement with RP - we obviously have influence and can advise them but as it stands they maintain their sovereignty. We think that you at GoW should approach RP directly to negotiate peace - perhaps offering some minor trinket or token - not a valuable payment, but a gesture of peace and goodwill. Perhaps a luxury (which they don't need, and won't do them much good) would seal the deal. After all, GS and RP are gone from Bob, so you can recieve your contractual payment from ND. PS - we sent you furs unaccepted. If you fancy a straight one-for-one lux deal, reply with wines accepted and we'll be in business Regards, Cort Haus cc Aggie

	13-01-2004 00:22									#250
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Greetings Honorable Theseus,

It should interest you to know that my duties within the GoW have been expanded recently to Consul of Foreign Affairs. You have probably heard that MZ also has recently been appointed as our Emperor.

In short, this will mean that all discussions will need to be copied to the both of us if at all possible, and with any luck we will have an opportunity to speak with one another soon.

Let me know if your team desires that I should appoint an Ambassador to oversee discussions with your team, for I am aware that at least some may have hostile feelings towards myself.

Cordially,
UnOrthOdOx

	13-01-2004 18:31									#251
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quote: Cort Haus wrote on 13-01-2004 13:29: Hi UnO, We now have Astronomy - would you be interested in a tech trade? If you're near to completing Chemistry, we would be very interested in a possible trade. We have the turn, so if you're up for trying to do a deal this turn (we don't want to start researching something if we can trade for it), please let us know. Many thanks, CH cc MZ

	22-01-2004 13:28									#252
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quote: Hello Cort, First of all apologies for my late reply, I've been having some very nasty conection problems and some days can't even access Poly, I hope to have them solved by today. Regarding a trade with Chemistry, we already have Astronomy, however we would be very i nt erested in trading Chemistry regardless. What tech is GS researching now? We can perhaps make a deal on that and should costs be different, compensate them monetarily. Best regards, -MZ

	24-01-2004 20:13									#253
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quote: First of all, allow me to apologise. My home PC has been on the fritz lately and I've been a bit inactive of late. That should be taken care of by the endo f the weekend, though. As for Banking, we already have made a deal for Banking elsewhere, unfortunately. However, perhaps we can make a trade based on a future tech? What were your next plans? We are currently researching Metallurgy, but I don't know the ETA at the moment. Perhaps a deal with an eye to the future would be the most beneficial to both parties anyway? - UnOrthOdOx

	24-01-2004 20:14									#254
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quote: Hi UnO, How about Physics then? If you send us Chemistry on your turn we can start Physics on our next, while you are working on Metallurgy. Later you could trade us your Metallurgy for our Magnetism. Perhaps we could work together on Industrial techs. Our position is this : we seek a tech partner for the march into the Industrial Era, but we don't wish to trade any tech that could find its way into Legoland. The faster Lego progress in tech, the closer they move to victory. So, assuming the details of NDA's and some price balancing would be resolved, are GoW interested in a research partnership with GS along these lines? If the longer term arrangement does not suit you, are you up for a deal on Chem 4 Physics? Current devalued beaker cost for Chemistry is ~1100, and full cost for Physics is ~1500, but we may be able to concede some of this difference for a deal on Chem-Physics this turn. I should be available for chat this weekend if you like. Regards, Cort.

	26-01-2004 13:01									#255
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quote: Hey Cort, Sorry it took me a little to get back to you. I'll be frank as always. I am not really an expert at tech trading so I had to confer with the others before responding. Anyway, GoW agrees in principle to the arrangement. As such, we will be sending Chemistry along this turn accepted, but understand that further compensation still needs to be negotiated. Sorry for being unavailable for a chat this weekend. I got too involved with one of the many other demogames that I'm involved with. Reguards UnOrthOdOx

	27-01-2004 14:57									#256
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quote: Hello Cort Funny, UnO did not post in the forum that the deal was officially on, I guess that was a bit of misunderstanding on our part. Unfortunately I already played the 510 turn so I can't send it until the next. Also one more thing, have you guys agreed on both Chem-Physics AND Metallurgy-Magnetism? I think that would be a good trade. Also, if you ever want a quick chat my MSN is raguil AT hotmail DOT com. Or if you prefer AIM my screen name is Raguil 79. Of course you can also find me in the #GoW_CoFA room I'm usually in there in the afternoon/night or on the weekends. Regards -MZ quote: Hi MZ, I got a PM from UnO saying that the Chem-Physics deal was on, and that Chemistry was being sent this turn. However, we didn't recieve it so we're a bit unsure where we stand and can't start the research on Physics. If we hold off research for another turn, we run the risk of not recieving Chemistry next turn either. We have made several attempts so far to do a deal for Chemistry - all of which came to nothing - so you will understand our concern. Regards, Cort

	28-01-2004 18:05									#257
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quote: Hi MZ, We can't hold off on Chemistry any longer, so we've had to start researching it ourselves. We'd have liked the Chem-Physics and Metallurgy-Magnetism, but we needed Chem last turn at the latest for that. It's a shame, as UnO's message to us agreeing the deal arrived 3 hours before you played 500AD, which would have been the right time for you to send us Chemistry. I think the only way you can now get something for your Chem is to take some cash/incense from us for the remainder of our research, but that would likely be hard to agree on and arrange. So the next likely deal is Physics for Metallurgy. What do you think of that? Regards, Cort

	29-01-2004 01:40									#258
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quote: Ok, some last minute negotiation: To be honest we were (are) very interested in keeping the original two trades that we had planned. To GoW it will be very inefficient to end up having to research Magnetism in the same way that GS will find it innefficient to do Chemistry. I understand that GS has now spent 1 turn researching Chemistry so we would like to propose the following. We will send GS Chemistry accepted this turn (I currently have the save) in exchange for Physics once GS finishes it. To compensate for the 1 lost turn of research, GoW will, when finished with Metallurgy (in 5-6 turns IIRC) will dedicate one full turn towards taxes and send to GS the monetary equivalent of the research that GS spent last turn. That should compensate the lost turn for GS and enable both of our teams to obtain a tech which it would otherwise have had to research separately. I hope this agreement is satisfactory and can rightfully make up for this lost turn. Thank you and apologies for this whole damn mess. Regards -MZ

	29-01-2004 02:36									#259
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quote: It is good, as always, to hear from you, MZ. Your offer appears spirited and principled, and perhaps some indication that this is a genuine mistake, and not another example of GoW's famed skill at manipulating GS during negotiations that, we are interested to note, is now a matter of historical record. There is a slight balance issue. Chemistry is 60, Physics 64 =100 beakers on this level. We've used our gold to research Chemistry at deficit, spending 300 beakers. Even disregarding the depreciated cost of Chemistry, we would therefore seek 400g to compensate. This might be more than one turn of your max gold, but it would enable the first deal and pave the way for the second. One other thing - Lego mustn't get hold of Physics unless they research it themselves. 20 turns should be enough. I think that's mutually understood, and we'd respect a reciprocal NDA on Chemistry. Regards, Cort.

	30-01-2004 22:36									#260
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quote: Cort Haus wrote on 30-01-2004 12:16: Hi MZ, We have the turn. Let us know what you can top up the Chem-Physics trade with and we'll see if we can get a deal, so we can crack on with Physics. btw - are you guys OK for Iron? Let us know if you need any help there. Regards Cort cc UnO

	31-01-2004 03:17									#261
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quote: Hey, MZ! Thanks for the message - excellent news! No, I didn't recieve the earlier PM, but I got this one, OK. Looks like we're in business then. The payment arrangements are fine, and we look forward to sending you Physics in a few turns time. Chem NDA starts this turn (T128 : 530AD for 20 turns), Physics NDA starts on delivery to GoW for 20 turns. Tonight the nation of Gathering Storm will raise their glasses to our friends at the Glory of War! Cheers, MZ :clink: - Cort quote: Hmm, did you get my last PM? I said we could send you 300g 2 turns after we get Metallurgy and then the other 100g when we complete both deals (as well as the difference for Magnetism which would be another 100g). At the most I guess we can give you 400g upfront but it would have to be 3 turns after metallurgy instead of 2. quote: Hi MZ, We have the turn. Let us know what you can top up the Chem-Physics trade with and we'll see if we can get a deal, so we can crack on with Physics. btw - are you guys OK for Iron? Let us know if you need any help there. Regards Cort cc UnO

	04-02-2004 18:39									#262
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quote: Hi MZ, You might have accidently sent us a map-accepted on your turn. Don't worry, we didn't take it. Regards, Cort. PS : When's Ironville gonna expand its borders?

	05-02-2004 14:04									#263
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quote: Heya I was talking with some RPers the other day who were asking if we could set up some tech trade and I was surprised that GS hadn't offered them Chemistry. Then I remembered that you didn't get the next-to-last PM I sent you when we sealed the tech deal. Anyway, in summary, in that PM I was telling you that we could get the 300g in 2 turns if another civ helped us out, obviously you guys don't want Lego to get Physics so we asked ND if they were willing to help and they said yes as long as they could be traded that tech by us with a reduced NTA (say, 5 or 10 turns for example instead of 20). Obviously the NTA with other teams would apply to both GoW and ND. In that PM I mentioned this and said that it would only be fair if we offered GS the same limited NTA with regards to Chemistry (so you can trade with RP). Well, it's your call. We actually might even scrape up the 300g only one turn after Metallurgy, instead of 2, with ND help. btw, amazing how fast the save is being played... I might actually get to see the end of all this -MZ P.S. As for Irongard, very soon quote: Hi MZ, You might have accidently sent us a map-accepted on your turn. Don't worry, we didn't take it. Regards, Cort. PS : When's Ironville gonna expand its borders?

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quote: Sorry. MZ, Irongard I've posted your message on our Forum and will try and get back to you soon about your suggestion of reducing the NTA times on Physics and Chemistry.

	05-02-2004 19:28									#265
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quote: Hi there, hope all is going well. First of all this is a PM is strictly Aggie's opinion. Metallurgy is coming and next will be Military Tradition. To avoid the unfortunate mistakes of the past, I want to have the Tech deal decided ahead of time. This deal is momentus in the sense that it will put us almost(or perhaps all the way) into a new era. So lets gets this one ironed out. coordinating research helps us all and I look forward to working with Gs on research well into the modern era. Like I mentioned earlier I am only a concerned citizen, however I am determined to get this right. So unofficially I suggest you PM MZ,unortho with tech proposals and I'll do my best to get a good deal worked out. If I can be off any other assistance please just ask. Best wishes as always Aggie

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quote: Hi Aggie, great to hear from you. GS is ready to hand you Physics when you've got the first 300 bucks, and will hand over Magnetism for Metallurgy and the other 200 whenever you're ready. I'm assuming (and hoping) that MZ has posted our correspondance on your forum so you know the story. We're not keen on you guys selling on Physics to ND to raise the cash, as MZ suggested. The offer of reciprocally lowering the NTA on Chem for RP isn't tempting for us, I'm afraid. We don't mind waiting a little longer for you to raise the cash. Oh - and the map. We refused it the first time, thinking it an error, and advised MZ accordingly. It appeared again, so we took it, thinking you might be offended if we turned it down again. I hope we're not going to hear that in the PM we 'never recieved' it was suggested that the map would represent part-payment on the trade. Regards, Cort.

	05-02-2004 19:50									#266
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quote: Cort Haus wrote on 05-02-2004 14:47: Hi MZ / UnO, GS is ready to hand you Physics when you've got the first 300, and will hand over Magnetism for Metallurgy and the other 200 whenever you're ready. TBH, we're not keen on you guys selling on Physics to ND to raise the cash quicker, as was suggested. The offer of reciprocally lowering the NTA on Chem for RP isn't tempting for us, I'm afraid. We don't mind waiting a little longer for you to raise the cash. It may be good for us to look ahead to the Industrial Era, and consider further research projects that we could work together on. After all, at this rate, it'll be here in a fortnight! Regards, Cort

	05-02-2004 21:55									#267
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Same ****, different deal, with GoW.

I wish we were dealing with Aggie instead of MZ.

-Arrian

	09-02-2004 04:29									#268
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quote: We established an embassy with Lego, and would like to share the Intel with you. It may not be news to the GoW, but we were very surprised to see that ND are apparantly supplying Lego with FOUR luxuries. Also, Lego is going at 90% tax. That raised some eyebrows too.

Uno replied : "Certainly news to me, personally."

Another, unnamed, unofficial GoW Source, spoke of the possibility of 3-way alliance against Lego with a very small window, between Magnetism and Nationalism/Steam Power".

	10-02-2004 05:26									#269
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quote: Hi MZ, First, sorry to hear about the trouble you're having with the save. Let's hope it can be fixed, the game's too interesting to stop now. So, by virtue of our mutual and enlightened trade dealing, we are both rapidly approaching the Industrial Era. Have you considered yet the possibility of our civs doing a deal on Industrial Tech? Perhaps a 3-way arrangement with ND would be possible. Let us know what you think. Regards, and good luck with your turn. Cort. cc UnOrthOdOx

	10-02-2004 14:52									#270
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quote: Cort, sure thing, we are looking forward to that ourselves. I wonder if you guys would be interested in setting up a chat one of these days. We would very much like to discuss tech stuff and the pic you sent us of the Lego capital. We are having a chat with ND on thusday at 3 PM EST (which is -5 GMT I belive), if you want you can tag along so all three of us can talk. If not, we can set up another date for us 2 alone. If not, try and find me at the #GoW_CoFA room as I am usually online at night or at my MSN: raguil@hotmail.com