24-06-2004 00:59									#331
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part 2:

quote: [23:31] :DeepO: well, those can become a problem [23:31] :DeepO: if a city is not supported by a FP, there is no happiness [23:31] [11:31pm] :MasterZen: if they militarize, we'll be facing a really tough nut [23:31] :DeepO: so draft all you like [23:31] :DeepO: mobilize you mean? [23:31] :DeepO: we're planning on that [23:31] [11:31pm] :MasterZen: err, yes [23:32] :DeepO: but as long as we can, we won't do it [23:32] [11:32pm] :MasterZen: neither will we [23:32] [11:32pm] :MasterZen: IF however, we suspect they can be conquered completely, we will [23:32] :DeepO: there is no choice for GS, once we can build tanks, we need the production [23:32] :DeepO: and there is a way out for us: RP [23:32] [11:32pm] :MasterZen: ? [23:33] :DeepO: well, in case Lego stays at war [23:33] :DeepO: we can declare war and peace to RP [23:33] :DeepO: so we can end it when needed [23:33] [11:33pm] :MasterZen: I wonder if that wouldn't end up looking exploitish [23:33] [11:33pm] :Krill: bit of an exploit, but screw it. This game is late [23:33] :DeepO: if neccesary, we can always conquer RP :) [23:33] [11:33pm] :MasterZen: lol [23:33] [11:33pm] :Krill: Scond time we would have ivaded. [23:33] [11:33pm] :MasterZen: you are really nasty hosts ;) [23:33] [11:33pm] :Krill: no, wait, third... [23:34] :DeepO: well... [23:34] :DeepO: RP can then live on inside our team [23:34] :DeepO: the whole 1 or 2 members [23:34] :DeepO: if they so choose [23:34] :DeepO: but it's not that far yet [23:34] :DeepO: we can also conquer Vox [23:35] [11:35pm] :MasterZen: well, they'll problably try and manipulte GS into attacking US :P [23:35] :DeepO: :) [23:35] [11:35pm] :MasterZen: knowing Arnelos and Togas of course [23:35] :DeepO: they know they have to behave as long as they're on Stormia [23:35] :DeepO: which probably be forever... :( [23:36] :DeepO: MZ, do you need combustion this turn? [23:36] :DeepO: we finished it [23:36] :DeepO: but, Lego should be 1 or 2 turns behind [23:36] [11:36pm] :Krill: If we conqueror enough of Lego, we could always install RP there... [23:36] [11:36pm] :Krill: On Lego [23:36] :DeepO: so if you can wait.... it would be better [23:37] :DeepO: «Krill» if we do that, we risk that Lego would conquere RP again... [23:37] [11:37pm] :MasterZen: DeepO: no [23:38] :DeepO: so you can wait until after we see Lego getting it? [23:38] [11:38pm] :MasterZen: I will PM one of you guys the turn before we need it [23:38] [11:38pm] :Krill: I was joking... [23:38] :DeepO: okay, great [23:38] :DeepO: anything else we need to discuss urgently? [23:38] [11:38pm] :MasterZen: or I'll just tell your very active FAM, Mr. Krill ;) [23:38] :DeepO: Krill is a good choice [23:39] :DeepO: he is around a lot [23:39] [11:39pm] :MasterZen: who is on IRC every day watching the Euro matches just like me ;) [23:39] :DeepO: otherwise you can always PM me [23:39] [11:39pm] :MasterZen: we're football junkies, what else can i say.. hehe [23:39] [11:39pm] :Krill: io HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO [23:39] :DeepO: yeah... will never understand that :) [23:39] [11:39pm] :MasterZen: lol! [23:39] [11:39pm] :Krill: Even though I should be rivising for me last exam... [23:39] [11:39pm] :MasterZen: Cort Haus isn't active right now? He's usually the one I PM [23:39] :DeepO: CH is also still around [23:40] :DeepO: just not so active as planner anymore [23:40] [11:40pm] :MasterZen: ok [23:40] :DeepO: in case there is nothing else [23:40] [11:40pm] :Krill: he will play the CoD save later tonight. PM hi and he will answer [23:40] [11:40pm] :Krill: him [23:40] :DeepO: I'm going back to the save... [23:40] :DeepO: getting late here [23:40] :DeepO: and those things take time [23:41] [11:41pm] :MasterZen: which means ND won't get the save until tomorrow which means I'll get it sometime in the afternoon... hmm [23:41] :DeepO: yeah, can't be helped [23:41] [11:41pm] :MasterZen: I am just so used to playing this save I do it quite fast. About 30 min [23:41] :DeepO: the moment I took over, all turns took another day to get around [23:42] :DeepO: for me, it's more then an hour [23:42] :DeepO: most of the times closer to 2 [23:42] :DeepO: but we don't have the luxury of wasting any shield... [23:42] [11:42pm] :Krill: DeepO has the respect of all in our forum [23:44] [11:44pm] :MasterZen: our cities are so spaced apart, WF isn't much of an issue... [23:44] :DeepO: yeah... GF's legacy :) [23:44] [11:44pm] :MasterZen: yeah [23:44] :DeepO: sometimes I envy that [23:45] [11:45pm] * MasterZen wonders how strong GoW would be if I had been GoW emepror from day 1 :P [23:45] :DeepO: ;) [23:45] [11:45pm] :MasterZen: the ironic thing is [23:45] [11:45pm] :MasterZen: it was a detriment back then [23:45] [11:45pm] :Krill: what was? [23:45] [11:45pm] :MasterZen: it isn't so bad right now [23:45] [11:45pm] :MasterZen: our city spacing [23:45] :DeepO: we wonder how strong GS would have been if we would have started on Lego's spot [23:45] [11:45pm] :MasterZen: the game would be over :P [23:45] :DeepO: most likely [23:46] [11:46pm] :Krill: Go talk to Theseus, nBarclay [23:46] [11:46pm] :Krill: et al [23:46] :DeepO: or we would have been eliminated long time ago [23:46] :DeepO: but the game would be over for us :) [23:47] [11:47pm] :MasterZen: what's up with the T-man? Haven't seen him in a while [23:47] [11:47pm] :Krill: he has had a rough year [23:47] :DeepO: he jumps in once in a while [23:47] [11:47pm] :MasterZen: ahh [23:47] :DeepO: yeah... [23:47] :DeepO: which seems to be a common GS thing as well [23:47] [11:47pm] :MasterZen: he's a pretty cool guy [23:48] :DeepO: indeed [23:48] [11:48pm] :Krill: Great guy [23:48] [11:48pm] :Krill: remember when SR phoned him when vox invaded? [23:48] [11:48pm] :MasterZen: lol [23:48] [11:48pm] :MasterZen: yes [23:48] [11:48pm] :Krill: at 4am NYC time [23:48] :DeepO: yeah [23:48] :DeepO: we were present in chat right then [23:48] :DeepO: what a night... [23:48] :DeepO: was up to something like 7 am [23:48] [11:48pm] :MasterZen: "When Demo Games go too far" [23:48] [11:48pm] :Krill: imagine telling that to grand children... [23:49] [11:49pm] :MasterZen: I once had a chat with GS coming back from the nightclub and not entirely sober [23:49] :DeepO: :) [23:49] [11:49pm] :MasterZen: it was me and UnO on our side [23:49] [11:49pm] :Krill: oh, gotta go, exam tomorrow. cya [23:49] [11:49pm] :MasterZen: and H_E was hanging out in the gow room too listening up, he started having whiskey shots and by the time the chat was over, he was drunk also! [23:49] [11:49pm] Krill (chris@atomic-21BB0AD1.freedom2surf.net) has parted. «2 people» [23:49] :DeepO: ;) [23:50] :DeepO: I try to avoid typing drunk [23:50] [11:50pm] :MasterZen: that was before the war [23:50] :DeepO: in our forum it's okay [23:50] :DeepO: but a couple of my posts in the public forum have been made like that [23:50] :DeepO: not so good... [23:50] [11:50pm] :MasterZen: I occassionaly pop up after getting home a bit buzzed [23:50] [11:50pm] :MasterZen: somehow I manage to type... [23:51] :DeepO: the same here... the day after I'm both ashamed, and proud of myself [23:51] :DeepO: ashamed for what has been said [23:51] [11:51pm] :MasterZen: yeah sometimes I write really stupid things [23:51] :DeepO: proud that something has been typed after all [23:51] :DeepO: don't we all... [23:51] [11:51pm] :MasterZen: sometimes I volunteer for demo game executive spots... like in the PTWDG II ... [23:51] [11:51pm] :MasterZen: I agreed to be the current leader of the latin lovers in a drunken state :D [23:51] :DeepO: for me, this is oing to be my last spot [23:52] :DeepO: I like being in a team [23:52] :DeepO: but doing it every day is too much for me [23:52] :DeepO: I've got too much of a life outside Civ... [23:52] :DeepO: but anyway [23:52] :DeepO: I'm gonig to leave you [23:52] :DeepO: let;'s try to meet again soon [23:53] :DeepO: probably after the econ break down [23:53] [11:53pm] :MasterZen: yeah [23:54] [11:54pm] :MasterZen: I actually have an active social life [23:54] [11:54pm] :MasterZen: or rather.. night life [23:54] :DeepO: same here [23:54] [11:54pm] :MasterZen: but most of my spare time is with these demo games. Don't mind it at all, they're fun and you learn alot from them [23:54] [11:54pm] :MasterZen: dealing with people, negotiating with other teams, etc. I think these skill could very well help one day [23:54] [11:54pm] :MasterZen: in real life [23:54] :DeepO: it's not a drag, it's just that you have to be available all the time [23:55] [11:55pm] :MasterZen: it's the diplomacy aspect I like the most [23:55] :DeepO: bah, we're bad at that... always have been :) [23:55] [11:55pm] :MasterZen: you've gotten much better [23:55] :DeepO: perhaps... but there are fewer teams to focus on [23:55] [11:55pm] Cort (null@atomic-23031202.cable.ubr03.camd.blueyonder.co.uk) has joined. «3 people» [23:55] [11:55pm] :Cort: hello [23:55] :DeepO: hi there! [23:55] [11:55pm] :MasterZen: well, WE get along quite well i'd say [23:55] [11:55pm] :MasterZen: hello Cort [23:56] :DeepO: okay, that's true... and we better do as well [23:56] [11:56pm] :Cort: sorry, I expect I've missed everything [23:56] :DeepO: but it's not that we are very active in diplo... [23:56] :DeepO: CH, do you need a log? [23:56] :DeepO: I was about to leave... [23:56] [11:56pm] :Cort: yes please [23:56] :DeepO: one second [23:56] [11:56pm] :MasterZen: to be honest we got along better with GS than with ND during their last administration [23:56] :DeepO: I'll mail you one [23:56] [11:56pm] :Cort: ta [23:57] [11:57pm] :MasterZen: we've been talking for almost an hour now [23:58] [11:58pm] :MasterZen: [15:51] :MasterZen: hello DeepO [23:58] [11:58pm] :MasterZen: [16:59] :MasterZen: we've been talking for almost an hour now [23:58] [11:58pm] :MasterZen: more than an hour [23:58] :DeepO: one sec... [23:58] :DeepO: CH, could you give me your addie again? [23:58] [11:58pm] :Cort: Tough on Italy, eh? [23:58] :DeepO: Somehow misplaced it... Further on, it was mostly about football...

	24-06-2004 04:28									#332
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I was just in chat with MZ again (not about GS) and he told me that Legos' shield output is 729spt.

	29-06-2004 18:22									#333
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quote: Hi MZ, A Lego Galleon is parked within landing range of our coast. We asked them to move and they said 'No'. It's probably an advanced picket looking for naval buildups, able to move in and out of our territorial waters during their turn. They say it will be replaced with a destroyer in due course. We will probably respond by posting our own advanced scouts adjacent to their boundaries, but are very keen to avoid a naval arms race, so do not wish to start waving too many boats around. Are Lego doing a similar thing on your side? If so what has your response been? Regards, Cort

	02-07-2004 03:40									#334
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quote: Hi Cort Lego has a number of pickets around our coast, 3 of them actually plus 1 Voxian. Of course, GoW has like 6 ships around Lego/Vox of which 3 are right beside their borders too We have never said anything to them precisely because our own ships are also aisde their sea borders so it's kind of "de facto" acceptance that each side can spy around the other as long as it is outside the borders. They are replacing them with Ironclads that I can guarantee you. At first all 3 lego ships were caravels, now 2 of them are ironclads and the caravels moved back home. Before I forget, we will need Combustion on 1050 AD so please send it accepted next-next turn (not this turn because we still have 3 galleons to crank out on 1040 AD). We also sent you 3000g this turn as an initial payment, any techs which lego already has which are part of the deal, please start sending them our way. -MZ

	22-07-2004 04:20									#335
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quote: Hi MZ, Have you started research on either Flight or Amphib? Flight has the advantage of defensive bombers over offensive marines as an immediate priority (Lego can have Marines in a few turns now). D-day for both of us should be 19 turns from now, with the first dismissal of picket line ships in 17 turns (so in 238). Are you OK with this? Lego will have both flight and tanks in 16 turns. We could consider moving up the schedule a bit, to limit their ability to field tanks. Finally, could you send us Rubber-accepted in 2 turns (so in turn 223, the turn you're about to play is 221). Regards, Cort

	22-07-2004 05:05									#336
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quote: MZ, I forgot to say - if you're doing Flight now, it'd be best not to accept the Mass Production that we sent you unless you'd got specific builds planned that are dependent on that tech, to stop it devaluing for Lego if possible. -Cort

	22-07-2004 22:41									#337
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quote: Hi Cort We will not accept Mass Production this turn since we do not need it yet. We are currently working on Flight and it will be done in 6 turns. And rubber will soon be on your way Also, I got ND to collaborate with Espionage with us, they will research the tech, build the Intelligence and spy on Lego. Some of their cities have also started military production. Cheers -MZ

	23-07-2004 01:33									#338
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quote: That's good news, MZ Are you able to confirm that invasion date's gonna be OK with you, as we need to plan accordingly. Many thanks

	24-07-2004 00:39									#339
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quote: we have 10 cities doing military builds now, 11 next turn, and I think we'll max out at 12. We'll try our best to make the schedule. Right now only our transport fleet is ready and our infantry base should be ready by the time we get Flight so we can start on bombers.

	27-07-2004 13:57									#340
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quote: HI MZ, We're mobilising next turn - could you send us the rubber on your turn please? Thanks -Cort

	31-07-2004 19:43									#341
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quote: Hi MZ, Thanks for the Rubber Lego have Sci Meth, so are presumably advancing on the southern branch of the tree. Let us know when you'll need Mot Trans so we can send you the prereqs in time. Lego will be hoping to enjoy some devaluation on this branch, so there's no point you getting Atomic Theory before you need it. It's your call. Regards, Cort

	11-08-2004 03:08									#342
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- but his mailbox was full. I'll email him too.

quote: Hej MZ! Hope you're well, couple of quick questions if you don't mind. 1. When do you want Mot Trans & pre-reqs? 2. When can you make available the rest of the cash? We've got plenty more Rifles to upgrade Cheers, Cort.

	11-08-2004 03:10									#343
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- emailed

	13-08-2004 14:15									#344
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message resent on Poly (MZ mailbox still full though) and resent by email too. Not much more I can do that that, except go to Mexico!

	15-08-2004 16:04									#345
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quote: Hey CH Sorry I haven't answered, I've been rather busy and was away for a week also, and yeah, silly me keeps on forgetting to purge my old PMs... We are 1 turn from Flight now. So I guess we would start needing the Pre-Reqs now to continue with Motorized Transport. However, we are currently short on cash which means we would need 1 turn of 100% research and another turn of partial research to get extra 1000g (plus we need some upgrades ourselves, mostly our remaining Galleons -> Transports.) GoW mobilized last turn btw. We should be able to build a sizeable force of bombers for the invasion. I still have my doubts about the time schedule, I have really not done any estimates due to lack of time but I think we'll be barely making the deadline at the best, hopefully our mobilized economy will change that. Right now we only have Infantry and Galleons/Transports up to schedule (or should I say, done), Artillery is behind and Destroyers are looking good. Anyway, I'll try working on a more thorough estimate before I get worried. I would love to chat one of these days, tell me if and when you guys can. -MZ

	17-08-2004 20:18									#346
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quote: Thanks for the message, MZ. MP and Atomic Theory have been sent. I could try catching you tomorrow night (Wednesday) for chat - early evening for you. Maybe DeepO can make it too. If you need a few more turns than the 13 scheduled, that should be OK. Each turn is another 8 tanks for us, but Lego could be making more units than that per turn if we delay too long. The important thing is that we strike on the same turn. Regards, Cort. ( BTW MZ- pleased to hear you'll be spending some time in Europe - let me know if you're in London, we'll go for a beer! )

	19-08-2004 02:39									#347
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Chatting now with MZ in #gow_CoFA ...

	19-08-2004 02:51									#348
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damn... can't get in again.

CH, would you mind migrating to another server?

DeepO

	19-08-2004 02:53									#349
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OK, hang on ...

	19-08-2004 02:58									#350
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how about the irc.atomicchat.net #GoW-GS ?

	19-08-2004 02:59									#351
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one sec

	19-08-2004 03:03									#352
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hum, didn't work either...

I've joined a dalnet server ( irc.eu.dal.net ), and I'm in #GoW-GS

Sorry for this, One of these days I'm going to re-install my pc, so these things shouldn't happen

DeepO

	19-08-2004 03:17									#353
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I'll see if MZ can get in there ...

	19-08-2004 03:19									#354
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CH, just go ahead without me. It's too much trouble otherwise. I'm sorry I missed the chat, but I'm too tired to figure this one out

DeepO

	19-08-2004 04:50									#355
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I'll have to wait for MZ to send me the full transcript (I was on the Java window) but basically ..

1. They have Flight. I said we wanted to hold off that for a bit.
2. They have Amphib in about 4 turns.
3. He's going to send me a spreadsheet to calculate enemy strength on on the turn we passed Lego. I've have the numbers of how many units and how many fortified, and we'll see what the spreadsheet offers.

	19-08-2004 10:12									#356
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When is GOW supposed to get Motorized Transport?

Seems to me like them being able to build Tanks ASAP would be an important part for their role for the invasion, delay or not.

	29-08-2004 14:23									#357
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quote: Hi MZ, Could you send us Flight this turn please? Thanks -Cort

	29-08-2004 19:49									#358
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quote: MZ, Looks like the ND bug got fixed OK We have sent Incense unnaccepted. If you add Gems to the deal and accept, we should have a clean lux-for-lux deal going. Could you send us Flight please this turn too, as indicated in the previous PM. Many thanks. -Cort

	31-08-2004 13:53									#359
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quote: Hi MZ, Did you send us Flight? It didn't arrive, could it have, er, flown off-course somewhere? Cheerz, -Cort

	13-09-2004 14:00									#360
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New thread openened for GoW's war plans and discussion here .