24-06-2003 20:14									#121
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You want to PM it over and I shall try as well ?

	24-06-2003 21:40									#122
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ok

	25-06-2003 12:40									#123
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Didn't receive it ..........

Did you PM or e-mailed?

	26-06-2003 00:03									#124
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Sorry it is legal@activision.com and it is the one wombat spell checked for me.

	26-06-2003 00:28									#125
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I also have an address

Activision, Inc., 3100 Ocean Park Boulevard, Santa Monica, CA 90405, ATTN:
Business and Legal Affairs/Privacy Policy.

	26-06-2003 13:46									#126
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e-mailed it to them as well, let's see if I receive something

	26-06-2003 18:57									#127
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good luck

	26-06-2003 19:40									#128
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Is the corrected letter posted? Maybe we should start a petition campaign...

	26-06-2003 20:16									#129
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Send a certified letter by regular post. Since they have to be signed for, people generally act on them.

	27-06-2003 00:19									#130
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yes it is on the last page the wombat posted the corrected version.

	30-06-2003 14:02									#131
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any one got a e-mail back yet

	01-07-2003 12:31									#132
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No

Not even an acknowledgement so far..........

I think I'll have to send it again, with a remark if they could at least acknowledge it.............

	02-07-2003 01:38									#133
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same here I am starting to believe the address does not work.

	05-07-2003 22:59									#134
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So there are now two ways. On the one hand you could send the letter per post, or bother again the the tech support guys and complain that they don't answer, and ask them nicely if they could contact the legal office for you. And I thought the legal department was the place best equipped to talk bullsh!t, but it looks now they are best equipped to talk nothing.

-Martin

	06-07-2003 16:57									#135
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The problem is i thick it would cost a fortune to send a letter that would be filed under b1n. I will try to get back in contact with the man from the help department again

	07-07-2003 18:19									#136
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So if activision doesnt have or doesnt care about the source code does that mean people can start hacking it?

	08-07-2003 12:08									#137
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How about we at Apolyton point out to Activision that we have been providing their customer support free of charge for the past 4-5 years. I have still seen recently an odd copy of CTP2 on the discount shelf in the Games Shops.

	08-07-2003 21:03									#138
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I would think that no company would give it's source code for anything they've produced. They could think you, or other companies, will get ideas for developing games that one day be their competition.

Still it wouldn't hurt to keep trying. If anything, they'll be reminded not let other games in the future go without customer support or produce a game and then let it die. Fitting punishment for not developing CTP2 in a proper way.

	09-07-2003 00:57									#139
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quote: I would think that no company would give it's source code for anything they've produced. They could think you, or other companies, will get ideas for developing games that one day be their competition.

First, companies do give sources for older games. Second, Activision will not make another civ-game at all, ever. Third, source doesn't help others get ideas. You see ideas in the game... source is merely implementation.

	09-07-2003 01:29									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Solver First, companies do give sources for older games. Second, Activision will not make another civ-game at all, ever. Third, source doesn't help others get ideas. You see ideas in the game... source is merely implementation.

I didn't know that companies do give code. It seems strange to me that's all. To show how you do things in implementing ideas. In my work we never show how we do things, and we're economists!

	10-07-2003 01:17									#141
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Tlatoani, the best example of a game with it's source released would probably be Doom. A revolutionary game though it is, id released the source for it.

	10-07-2003 23:11									#142
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Yes but how do we get the source code

Customer support don’t want to know

The legal department is deserted

Any more ideas the managing directs e-mail perhaps would be a good thing

	11-07-2003 03:09									#143
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The activision site lists all the executives and the board of directors....If we could get their addresses and send kindly email(s) to them, maybe someone would be annoyed...um....interested enough to make something happen...Hopefully it would not be a restraing order....

	11-07-2003 03:33									#144
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I know nothing about source codes and the like, but I know a little something about legal departments. I'm sitting in one now. Send a letter through the post. Emails can be ignored, but letters are not thrown away. It may take a great deal of time to respond, but respond they will.

	11-07-2003 05:14									#145
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This is a lawyer talking. Do what he says: he knows what he's talking about.

BTW, TheArsenal, have you had a chance to look at my new mod?

	11-07-2003 17:57									#146
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TheArsenal, yes, reply they will. Something along the lines of "Dear Apolyton, Regretfully, we don't care for CtP series and never did, and we have no more contact anymore with any of their programmers, so kindly go to hell".

Does anyone have any idea how much the source code could cost, to buy it?

	11-07-2003 21:19									#147
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Solver: Oh, I agree with you. As I noted earlier in this thread, the easiest and generally, the "go to" answer in these matters is "no". But one can not assume "no" until they get that as a response. And lack of responsiveness is the issue at hand. Only when Activision gets around to revealing their position on the matter can we move forward with a reconfigured, or entirely different, strategy, such as an offer to purchase the code.

It was a good letter. I would not change it, but would have structured the points of emphasis differently (it may be a good idea to do so if we plan to send it by post). In reality, we have no right to their code whatsoever. So we have to convince them of this right - by way of who we are and what we do - quickly in the first few sentences, then we can flush out the rest of the letter with niceties and details.

Who are we? (Conceptually, not word for word) Apolyton. The people who are the number one user support group for the game in the wake of Activision's non-involvement.

Why give us the code? This concept was explained nicely the middle of the letter "As Call to Power II is no [longer] supported ... by your company we [need the] Source Code in order to carry on the support efficiently" adding the concept (again, conceptually, not word for word) "we are regularly in contact with thousands of game buyers who feel aggrieved that Activision willfully deceived them in production of a game which, it is generally felt, they never intended to support yet was released knowingly flawed. With Activision's release of the Source Code to us, it would be understood that Activision is exercising goodwill toward its product buyers, allowing active support for the product to exist, and is not, or ever did, intend to stick its product buyers with a flawed, unfixable, product. In turn, Apolyton could cite to its [X hundred thousand number] of users this extraordinary act of good faith as an example of Activision's customer support for all its products moving forward."

Last edited by TheArsenal on 11-07-2003 at 21:30

	11-07-2003 21:23									#148
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Peter Triggs: Haven't had a chance to try your mod, but I'm pretty jazzed about it. Sounds very cool. I'm going to try to carve out some time this weekend. I'll report what I think when I have a chance to play.

	12-07-2003 08:01									#149
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I know some effort went into archiving the code and assets. I don't know what happened to that archive. I don't know if anyone who would know what happened to it is still working there either. A lot of the source materials for art and data are probably gone forever if Activision's archive is lost. But I'm 100% certain it's still possible to scrape together enough code to rebuild an exe.

I can't make any promises, and I'm not even sure posting this before I hear back from anyone (I emailed a vice president just for you!) is such a good idea. I don't want you to get your hopes up too much. I would love nothing more than to see the source released, but it's still Activision's property, it'll have to go through them.

	12-07-2003 14:55									#150
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Thank you very much Mr Ogre! Any effort to at least get a definate answer one way or the other is gratefuly recieved from our end(the customer).