21-07-2003 15:28									#211
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Sorry... Double Post.

Last edited by Tamerlin on 21-07-2003 at 15:35

	21-07-2003 15:32									#212
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I am just back from hollydays and there are good news to read. Fingers crossed...

Unfortunately I know nothing of C++ and won't be of much help. I suppose this is rather a difficult language to learn.

	21-07-2003 17:01									#213
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Let's hope we'll get it at all

But I think if we all throw our (un)knowledge together, we'll get somewhere

	21-07-2003 17:23									#214
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quote: Unfortunately I know nothing of C++ and won't be of much help. I suppose this is rather a difficult language to learn.

If you have any programming experience already and are somewhat good at it, you can get the hang of C++ in a few days of learning - and the experience in a few weeks .

	21-07-2003 18:08									#215
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Solver, the only thing close to programming I have done is HTML. Though the learning process was easy I doubt it can be of any use for C++.

	21-07-2003 18:27									#216
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Yep, Tamerlin, HTML is hardly real programming, and it surely IS easy.

If you feel like helping us, though, I suggest that you start learning something now, you may then have ome knowledge by the time we get the source. If you are skilled, then you will not find the learning too compliciated, although I would usually not recommend C++ as a language to start with.

	21-07-2003 20:04									#217
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Thanks Solver, I have already spotted Dale's links to C++ tutorials. I will have a closer look at them and I will see very quickly if it is not too hard for me.

	21-07-2003 20:16									#218
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If anyone needs some more ideas we could do with the source code here are some. Looks like the guys at Firaxis weren't the first guys with the idea of civ attributes like extra move points for units, etc. And looks like some of the stuff is not to difficuilt.

-Martin

	21-07-2003 21:32									#219
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quote: If you have any programming experience already and are somewhat good at it, you can get the hang of C++ in a few days of learning - and the experience in a few weeks .

Dammit, Solver -- if you quote someone, at least include the original author

	21-07-2003 22:18									#220
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Hmm, I wonder who is it ?

	22-07-2003 02:10									#221
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C'mon Activision, Rah, Rah, Rah :-)

	24-07-2003 19:27									#222
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With the source code will we be able to have the game use graphics other than sprites and TGAs? Or perhaps other refinements to make modding easier and improve the modding community...

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quote: Originally posted by E With the source code will we be able to have the game use graphics other than sprites and TGAs?

Of course this is possible, but I think we have to do other stuff first and actual Civ3 graphics are not of very high quality, take the terrain well Civ3 quares are bigger but only 8bit instead of 16 bit that is also true for all the other graphics format, well the flicks are another also a 16bit format but every flick has a different color palette so a hybrid of 16 bit and 8 bit. But the biggest problem of Civ3 units is their small size. So you need additional work to make Civ3 units look good in CTP2. Easier would it to write a program that do all the stuff like upsizing, changing the background, seperate the shadows from the rest of the graphics automaticly, so that only the painting of the details and adding the transparencies with the alpha channel is left.

quote: Originally posted by E Or perhaps other refinements to make modding easier and improve the modding community...

Of course this is a goal like adding civ specific stuff, opening the text files more, etc...

-Martin

	25-07-2003 03:08									#224
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still no word from orge

	25-07-2003 03:13									#225
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C'mon Activision, Rah, Rah, Rah.:-)

	25-07-2003 19:36									#226
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I'm not to picky about upgrading civ3 graphics, the size and quality would be fine for me. The source seems very promising I hope everything works out. Maybe a good CTP2 editor could be fashioned from it.

	27-07-2003 03:40									#227
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http://apolyton.net/ctp2/

Hearty congratulations to everyone involved

	27-07-2003 03:51									#228
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Direct link: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=93116

	27-07-2003 16:47									#229
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So hell DOES freeze over on occasion! There's still the issue of the license under which it will be released (PD, GPL). But that'll eventually be sorted out.

In the meantime, as a Civ2/Freeciv player, I welcome CtP2 to the club!

	27-07-2003 17:58									#230
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Is it time to write down all bug fixes that need to be made in order of importance, for when the source finally comes through?

	27-07-2003 18:18									#231
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Is it time to write down all bug fixes that need to be made in order of importance, for when the source finally comes through?

That's a good idea - though I don't think in this thread. I'll start up a new one and put down what people have mentioned here so far.

	27-07-2003 18:31									#232
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Yes, yes, YES!!

The best birthday present apolyton could get.

	27-07-2003 20:43									#233
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway That's a good idea - though I don't think in this thread. I'll start up a new one and put down what people have mentioned here so far.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=93172

Contributions welcome.

	27-07-2003 20:51									#234
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The Source code is coming soon.

Well John just posted a storm of ideas in Solver's thread, looks like he was fatser, but I like your thread better, because it breaks the problems down to one line, feel free to copy my ideas.

-Martin

	27-07-2003 20:58									#235
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Keeps Solvers thread for ideas and stuff and John's for the official document type thing.

	27-07-2003 21:04									#236
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quote: Originally posted by Maquiladora Keeps Solvers thread for ideas and stuff and John's for the official document type thing.

Yeah I also thought of this. Maybe the titles should be edited so that this is reflected clearly.

-Martin

	28-07-2003 00:09									#237
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I'm away for one evening and find this bombshell

Well Activision is now , better go shopping

Well done everyone in getting this result

	28-07-2003 14:33									#238
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quote: Originally posted by Martin Gühmann Yeah I also thought of this. Maybe the titles should be edited so that this is reflected clearly.

I've appended "list" to my title to this end.

Locutus - if you could alter the apparent thread title to match, that would be good. Thanks.

	28-07-2003 15:15									#239
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I edited the titled, hopefully to everyone's satisfaction and understanding (I'm open to suggestions if not).

John,
In your thread, I think a good way to categorize the list would be by type of issues, as well as content: is it a bug fix, an improvement of an existing (more or less) working part of the game and or a completely new feature? Examples:

- Fix the sea sprite bug
- Improve AI naval usage
- Add PBEM diplomacy

This because, as a rule of thumb, bug fixes involve relatively little work, improvements somewhat more and new features the largest amount of work. And although there are plenty of exceptions, the order of priority should probably also roughly be just that: bug fixes first, improvements second and features additions last.

	28-07-2003 16:58									#240
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* Solver wants to make a sacrastical coment about Locutus but can't think of one

Hey, people, I think that all of us should go out and buy an Activision game now...