16-04-2003 23:16									#61
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Now we've descended into pure nonsense.

	16-04-2003 23:16									#62
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Many of em in old unit get a kick out of it, and find it high sactisfactory, much, I'm sure, to your dismay Sandman.

	16-04-2003 23:17									#63
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quote: Originally posted by rah You're assuming the majority are uniformed because you don't agree with them. Then throw around the normal generalizations of how stupid americans are. I can see why you're fed up. It must happen often.

Easy way out. Ran out of arguments?
But I understand that americans are generaly ignorant, your school system sucks and its concentrated on the U.S. and the U.S. only. But I can understand why, it's easier for the leaders to control their peoples opinion that way.

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	16-04-2003 23:19									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Chris 62 First, the French, as was there right, refused to agree with an ultimatum, BUT THEN went out of their way to ensure any vote would fail, even if they to veto it.

The U.S. di that kind of **** so many times I cant even count them on my fingers and toes! Dont get me started on that.

SPec.

	16-04-2003 23:21									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman The US troops in Iraq must surely be heartened by the duty and sacrifice of the folks on the home front. The courage to boycott French products must surely stem from an inexhaustable reserve of bravery in the heart of every American.

OMG please stop posting in this thread...you are just making it too easy for me.


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	16-04-2003 23:25									#66
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NO, run out of things to argue against. Your whole quasi arguement is that all americans are stupid. It's hard to argue against broad sweeping generalization based on bigotry.

Do you think the americans that post here are stupid?
The school my daughter goes to is a fine school, are you calling her stupid? Isn't it general knowledge that Canadians are bigger hicks the Americans? If you answer yes to all of these questions, then we have no common frame of reference to argue. If not, maybe there's hope.

	16-04-2003 23:26									#67
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Man, he got RAH upset...that ain't easy!

	16-04-2003 23:27									#68
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No, just tired of his bigotry.

	16-04-2003 23:29									#69
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Spec, I agree with Rah, your generalization was wrong. Many Americans are stupid, not all of them

BTW the United States has the most UN Vetos since 1998. Something like 237. I think France has 2. So who's the "little brat"?

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Does French wine come in boxes? If not, then I've been boycotting it for years, and didn't even know it!

	16-04-2003 23:30									#71
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quote: Another reason was attempting to bully NATO, an organization they don't contribute too militarily, by sabotaging protection for Turkey. A third reason is that many insiders say France applied presure to several key Turkish ministers, using the club of "no possibility of EU admintance" to get them to refuse US troops to be stationed in Turkey, making the war more difficult, and possibly more costly in lives lost. If France had simply said we want inspections, and then allowed a vote, without strong-arming African nations on the SC and threatening Veto, I doubt people would have boycotted. Quite simply, France went to far.

I love this, attack France for everything that the US itself was doing. Oh no, France applied pressure to Turkish ministers, what do you call promising billions of dollars in US aid? Strong arming African nations. Threatening veto, sure because they couldn't match the US dollar for dollar in bribery.

I understand the boycotters viewpoint, because France flew in the face of the US's valiant attempts to start a war. Its completely hypocritical.

	16-04-2003 23:31									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Spec, I agree with Rah, your generalization was wrong. Many Americans are stupid, not all of them BTW the United States has the most UN Vetos since 1998. Something like 237. I think France has 2. So who's the "little brat"?

You're wrong Sava, the US is the big brat.

	16-04-2003 23:31									#73
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quote: Its completely hypocritical.

somebody gets it!

	16-04-2003 23:32									#74
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Spec, I agree with Rah, your generalization was wrong. Many Americans are stupid, not all of them

yes, agreed, but the same thing could be said about any country on the planet. So singling one out and calling them uniformed and stupid seems kind of silly.

	16-04-2003 23:32									#75
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To be fair, I think the ratio of stupid people is higher outside of North America.

	16-04-2003 23:33									#76
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quote: Originally posted by rah No, just tired of his bigotry.

You should be used to it by now.

You know they don't have a clue about the real world, as Bill told me so MANY times, why let it bother you?

	16-04-2003 23:34									#77
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Chris, who are you referring to by They?

	16-04-2003 23:35									#78
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quote: Originally posted by gsmoove23 Chris, who are you referring to by They?

Probably Canadians... or anyone not American.

	16-04-2003 23:42									#79
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quote: Originally posted by rah NO, run out of things to argue against. Your whole quasi arguement is that all americans are stupid. It's hard to argue against broad sweeping generalization based on bigotry.

Where did you get that? Not all americans, MOST. And most are not stupid, ignorant, ignorant is the word.
They follow what leaders say ALL THE TIME!! After the war started 51% were convinced that Saddam was responsible for the WTC, 68% dont know their continents, GEORGE BUSH thought that Toronto was an american city, in your weather report on TV the map is of the US only, here in canada we have Canada AND the US eventhough they dont give the weather down there, the average american cant place france, germany, spain, turqui or even Iraq on the globe, most americans dont know where Montreal is, most americans think that american beer is strong beer when it's really water, most americans think that they won the war in Vietnam, most americans think that they really go to war to make or keep peace when it's 95% of the time for economical reasons, and I could go on and on and on and on...
Now if you are offended by this is probably that you consider your self within "most" americans, which I never implied.

Face it, it's the truth.

Spec.

	16-04-2003 23:46									#80
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Don't know about French, but there sure is plenty of Canadian whine in this thread.

	16-04-2003 23:47									#81
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Dumbest case of french boycott i heard was a french restaurant closing in NY because of lack of costumers. And the ****ing restaurant wasnt even owned by a french-american!

	16-04-2003 23:49									#82
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I hope that every last one of the pussified, beret-wearing, garlic-munching perverts is run out of America, taking all his stinky cheeses with him. We don't need your white flag and poodles here, mister!

	16-04-2003 23:54									#83
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman I hope that every last one of the pussified, beret-wearing, garlic-munching perverts is run out of America, taking all his stinky cheeses with him. We don't need your white flag and poodles here, mister!

Point proven.

	16-04-2003 23:56									#84
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T'was sarcasm, Spec.

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Yes, I must admit that the American school system has focused more on the math and hard sciences and less on the social sciences. It's a shame.

You throw around all these percentages based on survey research. I laugh at that. I work for a survey research firm. There is crap research and good research. We can make the numbers say anything through biased or crappy sampling. Which one do you think will be sensationalized. Actually you're showing your own ignorance by blindly believing all of those statistics. Hmmm, is that different than other people believing what they've heard.
You'd do better to base your beliefs on things you've experienced.
Do you know any americans personally. If so, were they ignorant?
How about the american posters here?
That's all I'm asking, don't believe everything you hear. Experience it yourself.

Granted, there are certain areas of the US where I have experienced truely ignorant people. But the majority have been the exact opposite.


on another note
I don't think it's hypocritical. And I agree that France was doing nothing different than the US has done, time and time again. But does that really make a difference. If the French want to boycott American products because they don't like what we're doing. Fine, vote with your wallet. It's the best way to make yourself heard. We have that same right. The motives are really immaterial.

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quote: Originally posted by Sandman T'was sarcasm, Spec.

Sorry, I didn't caught on.... Got caught up in the moment, you know, defending my point and all...sorry man.

	17-04-2003 00:02									#87
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I would have kept it going longer, but I was afraid that it might get picked up and used by a genuine fracophobe.

	17-04-2003 00:02									#88
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Rah, I agree that surveys can be crap, but I go with the average...again. Most surveys point to what I stated before, let's assume that 50% are crap, then 50% are right.

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But you havne't answered my question.
How about americans that you know personally.
How about the american posters here. (most of them anyway )
What is your opinion of their level of ignorance?

	17-04-2003 00:10									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Spec Rah, I agree that surveys can be crap, but I go with the average...again. Most surveys point to what I stated before, let's assume that 50% are crap, then 50% are right.

Dear lord. Are you really optimistic, or really idiotic?

edit Nevermind, I remember the rest of the thread. Next question!