25-04-2003 14:23									#121
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Btw, we should man Arashi 2 with two pikemen, to force Voxes central army to leave their high ground. 2 should be enough if on a mountain. They will think twice to attack them.

	25-04-2003 14:25									#122
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Or do they turn around and smack Arashi?

I would love to know whether the embassy trick has been thought of by them.

	25-04-2003 14:26									#123
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OK. Fascinating turn.

They both f*cked up.

NW to SE:

1) GoW at WW

Take'em out with WCs from Arashi.

2) Immortals at Monsoon

Ditto. Don't leave a target for the Immortals at Arashi 88.

3) Arashi / Tempest

I'd like to have 2-3 Pikemen true-fortified in each town the turn after next. The Pike at Tempest 63 should go 84, just to f*ck with the Immortal stack. Don't bother attacking EITHER Immortal stack next to Arashi yet, as we have other things to deal with.

4) Sandstorm

WC at SS8 goes to SS6 (very important).

MedInf at EotS6 goes to EotS87.

5) Threats

Monsoon69: Whatever. Prepared to lose Monsoon anyway.

East Coast: Maybe 2 more Immortals. Either our Galleys deal with it, if not we have good mountain coverage.
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Sorry, don;t have it in me right now to think through production... obviously, immediate military is paramount... consider southern towns / cities for fastmovers... remember to think of Workers as seeds.

If we take some time on this turn (and we should), I can focus more on production tomorrow evening.

Someone needs to address PsyOps.

Vox' strategies? Yes, they are better than expected / planned for. Our bad. But significant flaws in execution... our good.

This is it. We are in good shape. Vox is done, and GoW has signed their own death warrant.

* Theseus goes back to one hour of sleep, and dreams of Vox annhilation.

	25-04-2003 14:28									#124
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Or do they turn around and smack Arashi?

This would be illogical, if we consider their statement about "approaching the capital according to plan". If they do this, a certain suspection would arise again.

	25-04-2003 14:30									#125
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Theseus, any objections to going ahead and rushing the two cats so we can get into the turn proper (if you're still around)?

	25-04-2003 14:32									#126
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If we pull pikes out of Arashi, we make it a lot more tempting target.

	25-04-2003 14:32									#127
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Rush the Cats.

	25-04-2003 14:35									#128
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph This would be illogical, if we consider their statement about "approaching the capital according to plan". If they do this, a certain suspection would arise again.

That assumes the silk tounged one speaks the truth.

Given that they have placed many of their troops into kill zones this turn, they may not be too concerned with appearances, they may be more concerned with winning, whatever that takes.

	25-04-2003 14:36									#129
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quote: Originally posted by nbarclay If we pull pikes out of Arashi, we make it a lot more tempting target.

Well, they don't see how many units are in Arashi, and don't know where the pikes came from. We could use the pikeman SS11 and one from Arashi, this wouldn't hurt much (Btw, how many do we have there? I can't see it from the shot and am unable to open the save at work).

	25-04-2003 14:40									#130
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BTW, can we get screenies of death by death without giving intel away? FP may find them valuable.

	25-04-2003 14:42									#131
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Voxian forces by location:

Monsoon 6-9 (mountains) - a vet immortal, a regular spearman, and two workers.
Monsoon 6 - two regular immortals.

Arashi 9 - An injured vet spear and a regular immortal
Arashi 6 - A vet immortal, an unjured regular immortal, an injred regular immortal (2/3), and a regular spearman. Only one vet unit in the stack.
Arashi 3 - Six vet immortals and one regular immortal. Note that I originally miscounted. Seven units, not eight.

Sandstorm 6-9 - Two veteran and one regular immortals. Vox lucked out: none are injured!

Sandstorm 9-9-9-8 - Two regular immortals. (I moved a galley 8 to spot them. That's the only move I've made so far.)

The GoW horsemen are an elite and a vet.

	25-04-2003 14:43									#132
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I forgot to switch Hurricane to a WC. Oops.

	25-04-2003 14:44									#133
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FP: Thanks!
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	25-04-2003 14:45									#134
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Where did they get an injured reg Immortal from at Arashi 6?

	25-04-2003 14:46									#135
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In my view, the fact that Vox's forces at Arashi 6 are mostly regular and one of them is injured makes them too good a target to pass up. If we don't do something about them, they can be at EotS just as quickly as any other Voxians can.

	25-04-2003 14:49									#136
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Where did they get an injured reg Immortal from at Arashi 6?

I've been trying to figure that one out myself.

	25-04-2003 14:50									#137
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Sorry if this was already said and I missed it: if we're going to use the WC 8 of Sandstorm to attack the immortals 77 of Sandstorm, can we move 7 first and then attack? If we win or retreat, Vox will have a choice next turn: to either go after a (probably) wounded WC in open terrain but move one immortal away from our cities, or to spare the WC. Either way, I think we gain something.

	25-04-2003 14:50									#138
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I agree, destroy them while the getting is good.

	25-04-2003 14:51									#139
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither BTW, can we get screenies of death by death without giving intel away? FP may find them valuable.

I would indeed find them valuable. It might be too much to ask for, though, it's annoying to take screenies in the middle of playing a turn. I sure would appreciate a couple of good battle pics, though. Anything you can give me is helpful.

	25-04-2003 14:51									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Shiber Sorry if this was already said and I missed it: if we're going to use the WC 8 of Sandstorm to attack the immortals 77 of Sandstorm, can we move 7 first and then attack? If we win or retreat, Vox will have a choice next turn: to either go after a (probably) wounded WC in open terrain but move one immortal away from our cities, or to spare the WC. Either way, I think we gain something.

I'd rather attack with him last and then scoot away to EotS to heal for the final battle.

	25-04-2003 14:53									#141
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I think the Pike SS11 needs to head to SS6 or H8, along with our Med Inf on that side of the river. The Vox units in the W are more of a threat to sack a city, but Hurricane is really our 'must hold' city. Those two units get us to critical mass in the E, and we can then start to focus more on the W.

I don't know if I like moving Pikes out of Arashi this turn, 1 at the most. We should have 4 new Pikes (Bolderberg, EotS, Tempest(next turn), and Arashi(short rush next turn) that can make it to Tempest before Vox's stack. That would give us 9 Pikes between the two, with enough leftover units hopefully to hold against 8 in either (the one with 5 almost certainly holds).

	25-04-2003 14:53									#142
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I misremembered our number of Arashi WCs by one: there are six vets in the city and one elite just outside. Aside from that, we do have two regular medival infantry, two regular swords, and a vet sword.

	25-04-2003 14:54									#143
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Are we moving tomorrow? If so, I really need sleep before the sun comes up.

	25-04-2003 14:55									#144
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quote: Originally posted by nbarclay The GoW horsemen are an elite and a vet.

GoW have sent an Elite on this suicide mission? How strange....

	25-04-2003 14:58									#145
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The plan is to reconvene at about 7:00 P.M. tomorrow (later today?) Apolyton/U.S. Eastern time to finish the turn.

	25-04-2003 14:59									#146
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The injured reg Immortal must have been a ZOC hit? Or maybe he just fell off the mountain...

	25-04-2003 15:01									#147
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quote: Originally posted by nbarclay The plan is to reconvene at about 7:00 P.M. tomorrow (later today?) Apolyton/U.S. Eastern time to finish the turn.

Well then, g'night.

	25-04-2003 15:04									#148
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither Where did they get an injured reg Immortal from at Arashi 6?

ZOC maybe?

	25-04-2003 15:06									#149
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Could you send the save Nathan?

	25-04-2003 15:30									#150
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Could we move the galley near the east coast northwards to see if there are any Voxian galleys to sink?