31-01-2004 23:58									#271
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We have the 730bc save (not 725 as it turns out )

Latins built a new city of "Monica" on their NE coast.

MAST built a new city of "Please move on" north of Temple Mount.

There is a barb warrior N-N of Skewer.

Settler at Chow is complete - where do we send him? I vote for B site unless LL tries to come too close to Kung Pao, then it might be an idea to settle SE or E of Kung Pao.

	02-02-2004 04:02									#272
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710 BC:

Workers:
-Digger NE
-Cropper E
-Smith road

Settlers:
-Settler in the core founds "Char Shu". Build to cat, citizen on the plain SW-SW
-Teaspoon and settler S?

City Stuff:
-Buffet build to a spear (we need a 2-turn project so that Buffet can do a worker on the turn of growth)
-Wonton finishes barracks. Next build horse.

	03-02-2004 02:19									#273
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I will have military orders up after work today. But, if by some chance someone plays the turn first, make sure to offer Lit and 50g to Sunshine unaccepted.

	03-02-2004 04:51									#274
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Military Orders:

Tangy fortifies
Knife N-N-NW
New horse S-SW-S-S-SE-S
Soux Chef S-S-S
Salt W (clearly, LL has that area covered...)
Big Eater E? SE?
Gourmand NE
Butcher N (to hold there)
Poker fortifies
Take Out W
Galley NE-N-NE
BigGut NW
FB E
Busboy W

	03-02-2004 04:53									#275
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Looking at the save, LL has got 3 warriors by our Eastern choke area. I'm guessing those are being called home to be turned into Legions. Unless they are planning to attack us with nothing but warriors, which I believe is what the tacticians call "stupid"

	03-02-2004 07:08									#276
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690 BC:

Workers:
-Planter road if he is protectable for 2 more turns, otherwise move S back to the road network
-Plower road
-Digger chop
-Cropper irrigate
-Fisherman NW
-Harvester N to chop for MGGP

Cities:
-Egg Roll citizen on the bonus SE-SE to the furs forest Edit: And the all important order Kloreep almost forgot! Switch Egg Roll build to The Pyramids
-Chow Mein citizen on the forest to the bonus N
-Dim Sum citizen on the forest to the grass NW
-MGGP citizen on the wheat to the plains SE
-S&S citizen on the plans N to the wheat

Last edited by Kloreep on 03-02-2004 at 09:34

	04-02-2004 08:22									#277
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690 Military Orders:

Knife forts
Soux Chef SW and fort
Salt forts
Big Eater forts
Gourmand: pending barb move
Butcher NW
Take Out W
Galley E-E-E
Big Gut N
FB SE
Busboy forts

	05-02-2004 04:10									#278
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I forgot to send Lit + 50 again. Sorry.

	05-02-2004 04:43									#279
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KLOREEP! Are you trying to put us behind in techs

Cripes... suddenly I feel like Vondrack talking to me :crazy:

	05-02-2004 07:10									#280
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Well, we just say that we forgot again - and apologize, and besides we needed at least an extra turn to get units in place. Personally I wonder if we should wait until after LL gets it, in case our estimate is off and we can get to destroy that northern camp.

	05-02-2004 09:58									#281
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PM'd Togas and told him there was a little mix-up. I told him to offer on their turn to get the ball rolling.

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670 BC:
-Buffet completes Spear, set build to worker
-Egg Roll completes The Pyramids! Set build to a temple for now.

Worker Stuff:
-Miller mine
-Fisherman irrigate
-Harvester chop
-Smith SE

City Stuff:
-Chow Mein citizen on the bonus N to the lake
-Egg Roll citizen on the furs to the bonus SE-SE
-Sweet & Sour citizen on the wheat to the plains E
-MGGP citizen to the wheat

	08-02-2004 07:49									#283
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650 BC:

Settlers:
-Settler in Sweet & Sour S-SE-S, heading to the B site
-New settler in Chow NE-N-N, heading to the N-N-N-N catapult site

Workers:
-Planter SE-SE-SE to chop for a market (chopping cuts the market completion time down to 7 turns, and we can mine afterwards to get the tile to 2 spt again)
-Plower E and irrigate
-Cropper road
-Smith S-S-S

Send a unit in Kung SW and pillage the iron road

Cities:
-Buffet completes worker; set build to a warrior. City should still be at +2 fpt, +10 spt due to the worker
-New Wonton citizen should be on the grass E or the bonus W-SW. If on E, move to W-SW
-New Egg Roll citizen should be on the grass W-SW. If not, move it there. (Old citizens are on the bonuses W, SW, N, NE, E, and SE-SE)
-Chop Suey completes galley. Set to build a harbor? (Or horse; harbor is a more efficient use of the chop)
-Move Sweet & Sour citizen on the plains SE-S to the cattle SE-E (Schez citizen there will need to be removed first)
-Schezuan citizens to the cattle S and the plains W and NW
-New MGGP citizen should be on a forest; move it to the plains S

	09-02-2004 09:09									#284
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Override for Planter and Egg Roll: Send Planter SE-S instead and have Egg Roll keep building a temple. This is assuming we start researching soon of course, but I think that's a given; and since we're going to be researching, no benefit to building the market first, but we can get a little more culture with the temple first.

	09-02-2004 10:26									#285
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650 BC Military Orders

Thirty Minute Delivery S-SE-SE-SE
New Galley "Banana Boat" E-S-S
New Horse "Domino's" S-W-S-S-S-S
Spoon fortifies
Salt NW
Maitre D' fortifies
Take Out NW
BigGut NE
Galley S-SE-S
FB E
Mounted Hunter SW-pillage iron road-NE

	10-02-2004 04:11									#286
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630 BC:
Settlers:
-Northern settler N
-Southern settler S-S-E

Workers:
-Farmer: Normally I would say road, but with barbs about it may be best to withdraw him to the road network SE
-Gardener road
-Planter road
-Fisherman road
-Smith road

Cities:
-New Sweet & Sour citizen should be on a forest; move it to the plain N
-Schezuan finishes catapult; set build to worker

	13-02-2004 04:11									#287
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630 BC Proposed Military Orders:

-New Catapult "Rock Salt" W-NW-W
-New warrior "Pepper" to Chow and fort.
-30-Minute S-S-E-S-SE-S
-Salt NW-N-N
-Mounted Hunter fortify
-Unnamed horseman SW and fortify (Papa Johns?)
-BigGut S (barb camp sighted at the southern end of the mountain range)
-Fast Food W-W-W (to help with the camp)
-Galley2 ???
-Galley E-E-E
-FB East
-Take Out SW
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	14-02-2004 03:47									#288
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Zargon, you have Take Out listed twice in the turn report...

610 BC:

Settlers:
-North settler N
-South Settler E (Military Proposal: Spearmint join NE)

Workers:
-Miller road
-Farmer E-SE, roading while waiting for the barbs to be killed
-New Worker from Moo-Shu to be named "Baker" and moved SE, roading while waiting for the nasty barbs under the bed to go away
-Plower NE
-Cropper SW-SW, to mine and road for S&S

Cities:
-Buffet finishes warrior, starts another one
-Egg Roll citizen on the bonus SE-SE move to the grass NW
-Chow Mein citizen on the furs move to the bonus N
-MGGP citizen on the wheat move to the river plains S
-S&S citizen on the cattle to the wheat
-Schezuan citizen on the plains NW to the cattle N
-Moo-Shu finishes worker, starts another one

	14-02-2004 12:58									#289
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quote: Zargon, you have Take Out listed twice in the turn report...

Clearly, I think he is very important

	15-02-2004 21:16									#290
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610 Military Orders:

Rock Salt S-S-S
Salt N-N-E
Fast Food W-SE
Butcher NW
New warrior "Ham" S-SE-SE
Shrimp Boat S-S-S
Galley E-E-S
Rhoth fortifies
BigGut S
Take Out S
FB NE

	16-02-2004 04:33									#291
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Hi guys,

I started to play the 610bc turn - starting first with the most crucial issues - moving Butcher NW to see if barbs are around and the galley E-E to see if we see anything (still 1 move left on the galley) (both moves were as per Zargon's instructions btw).

Butcher revealed 2 barb horses NW of him on a hill and 10 more barb horses on a mountain NW-W of Butcher.

Moving the galley E-E, I think that I may be seeing sea beyond the ocean NE-E-E and NE-E-NE of Galley's E-E movement (ie perhaps the other continent or an island) but I am not completely sure . I recall there is a graphics mod that might show this for certain, or if someone else can confirm or deny what I think I am seeing (of course we would still need to move S to get back to the coast this turn).

I have talked about this situation with Unorthodox already as he came in the chatroom soon after I saw these things.

I wonder if we could have a team meeting tonight (Sunday Night in North America) so we can discuss the situation.

I stopped playing the turn after moving those 2 units so the rest of the turn remains unplayed so as to give us maximum freedom to deal with these situations.

Last edited by Sharpe on 16-02-2004 at 04:39

	16-02-2004 05:43									#292
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Not good...

Rhoth (currently in Pot Sticker) should certainly move S-E, and Tangy (currently in Wonton) should move to Moo-Shu ASAP. Perhaps Pointy too, though that would strip PS of defenses.

I'm worried about Butcher... he'll survive this turn certainly, but I don't think he can survive the larger stack, and I don't think he can outrun it either.

	16-02-2004 06:02									#293
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I am guessing that there is a 50-50 chance at worst that Butcher will die - probably much less.

Should we consider waiting a turn , then poprushing a spear at Moo-Shu? Admittedly it would only be a regular spear unfortunately.

One alternative might be to keep Butcher alive is to keep him on the hills/mountains and send him towards the camp - maybe he can bypass the barb horde (yeah I know - unlikely).

We should definitely move a worker to the iron near KungPao in case we need swords or if LL attacks.

	16-02-2004 21:43									#294
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I'm at work now, but I'll look at the situation when I get home tonight. I have faith we can handle this with minimal losses

	17-02-2004 09:31									#295
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590 BC:

Settlers
-Southern Farmer settles "?"; set build to worker, citizen to the grass NE
-Northern Settler N

Workers:
-Farmer road
-"Worker" to be named "Baker" and ordered to road
-Gardener mine
-Planter mine E and chop
-Plower irrigate
-Digger road
-Cropper mine (Yes, mine! This and the forest by S&S will be used to max shield production at size 6 while going 0 growth)
-Fisherman S-SW
-Smith SW to road

Cities
-Dim Sum citizen on the furs forest to irrigated plains
-Schezuan citizen on the cattle N to the plains W; citizen on the forest to the plains NW-NW
-S&S citizen on the plains E to the cattle E-SE
-Kung Pao citizen on the forest to a grass
-Pop rush the temple in Pot Sticker
-Moo-Shu: If things are going badly, feel free to switch to a spear & poprush it. But if not, let's save the pop for something else and keep on the worker.

Last edited by Kloreep on 20-02-2004 at 05:09

	20-02-2004 03:59									#296
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590 BC:

Rock Salt S-SW and fort
Spearmint fortifies
Shrimp Boat S-pick up Salt-SE-S
Salt E to board SB
Warrior "Cumin" S-S-S
New Warrior "Tarragon" S-SE-S
Tangy forts: pending where barb stack heads
Rhoth SW-S-W
Pointy... SW-S-W? Or to Won Ton?
Butcher forts (he could attack, but I think he'll be more useful on defense)
Galley NE-NE-NE be brave!
BigEater N
BigGut S
Take Out S
FB E
The Three Eastern Horses: I say they can go back to KP, but other may digress...

	20-02-2004 05:12									#297
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Made a few changes and additions to the plan. Yeesh, what happens when you plan while sick... then again, I'm editing while still sick.

BTW, interesting development: iron popped up right under Port Sushi. I'm not sure where it expired from.

Edit: LL still has their source and I think that's the only one that's connected. So it came from the other continent.

	20-02-2004 09:29									#298
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570 BC:
Improvement Completions:
-Egg Roll finishes temple; starts a market.
-Kung Pao finishes walls; set build to barracks
-Pot Sticker finishes temple; set build to a worker

Settlers:
-Northern settler founds "?"; set citizen to the grass that Digger just roaded, set build to a catapult
-New settler in Chow W-N-W in anticipation of a triumph over the barbs?

Workers:
-Miller E, to road
-Harvester road
-Fisherman chop
-Smith road
-New worker in Port Sushi to be named "?", and move NE to road

Cities:
-Chop Suey citizen on the bonus S to the bonus SE
-Buffet finishes warrior; set build to a warrior. (Sharpe pointed out we have just enough tiles for Buffet to grow to 7, and this would free up another bonus for other cities, like Char Shu or Chop Suey, to use. The downside is less frequent workers out of Buffet - every 10 turns instead of every 5 turns, and 15 turns for the first. But on the other hand, that leaves a little more room for military.)
-Citizen on the bonus SE-SE to the bonus NE-E
-Chow finishes settler; starts another one. WF on Wheat, cattle, and bonuses E and E-NE
-Egg Roll citizen on the grass W-SW to the bonus SE-SE
-Wonton finishes horseman; set build to a warrior.
-Port Sushi finishes worker; set build to a settler?
-Sweet & Sour WF to the plains NE, E, N, and SW-SW
-Schezuan WF to the plains W and NW and the two cattle
-MGGP WF to the plains S and SE and the wheat

	21-02-2004 21:54									#299
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570bc turn has arrived:

Good news - Galley hasn't sunk and we lost no units to the barbs last turn it seems

Bad news - We see a LL galley E-E of our galley meaning they have likely contacted Python first (and have a head start to contact the other civs there) and the barbs have moved 7 horsemen and 1 warrior into attack positions near our 2 spear, 1 sword stack - with another 7 horsemen nearby.

	21-02-2004 22:32									#300
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That's strange... I didn't get the turn Well, our galley made it, and even if LL beat us there, at least we have the contacts now to, so they won't have a monopoly.