07-10-2003 02:44									#121
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I opened the turn, and Sunshine sent us IW unaccepted. Nothing we can offer in-game yet.

Also, there's a damaged Sunshine warrior across the water from Big Eater (4-4 of BE). So it would appear Sunshine is at least getting to that area now if they haven't already. I suggest continuing south with Big Eater. Nothing new in Gourmand's area; I'd be fine with either E or SE.

I still support worker in Chow Mein and spear in Buffet; we can get the spear in Buffet in 3 turns, doing +6 spt and +2 fpt this turn, and then working the furs forest for the next two turns (slowing growth by a turn, but it's not a food pump anyway) to raise it to +7 spt. Chow Mein is currently at +5 spt while also getting +5 fpt, so we could build the worker in two turns with no shield waste.

Any more opinions on builds?

Edit: One extra point, in favor of the settler build: We currently have 7 units and 2 towns. Building two more units would put us over our free maintenance, requiring 1gpt upkeep until the next city is founded.

And I also uploaded the save here

	07-10-2003 02:53									#122
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I would agree with BE south and Gourmand SE. I'm still torn on whether I want the settler first or not. What are some other people's opinions?

	07-10-2003 03:01									#123
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One comment: Regardless of what we build in Chow Mein, I don't want to build another pop unit in Buffet. We need some more military, especially if we want to found another city, and the city can grow to pop 5 once the furs are hooked up and another MP unit built.

We really need more workers though. Currently, one tile (a bonus grass worked by Chow Mein) is completely unimproved, and the bonus grass Buffet can now work is only roaded, not mined. This will just get worse as we found more cities and grow Buffet. I think a second worker now will help a lot, and it will allow us to push food through Chow Mein's granary and into pop units as fast as possible.

Edit: BTW, I'm in #tabemono on poly's IRC server if anyone wants to discuss in chat.

	07-10-2003 09:21									#124
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To answer Zargon's question I'm in favor of worker before settler. The workforce is the soul of a good empire. (cliched but true ).

	07-10-2003 21:47									#125
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We're very nearly at the 24 hour mark on our turn, so I'm going to play. Will set builds to worker and spear since that seems to be favored. (By a small majority though... where is everyone?)

	07-10-2003 22:10									#126
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Plans for 2310 BC:
-Buffet citizen on tile 7 of city switches to the furs forest. This means only +1 fpt for two turns (so 1 more turn for growth total) and one less commerce, but means we only spend 3 turns total on the spear and finish it with no shield waste.
-Big Eater N (this one is pretty straightforward, but do we head west or east after this?)
-Fatty W? (After looking at the green at the edge of the FoW more closely, I think those may all be hills, so not worth our trouble to investigate)
-Gourmand S (Continuing to roughly follow the coast)

	08-10-2003 06:51									#127
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Agreed on Buffet WF - though should see if that will change the time to get Mysticism or not.

Big Eater - agreed on N or NW - Gourmand should probably be the one to head east - so Big Eater should probably follow the mountains to the west.

Fatty - west sounds ok - though should head SW the next turn - only other possibility is to move onto that hill to the NW. It does look as though there might be some hills beyond the FoW. Ultimately we need to see where the west coast is and whether this western area connects with the Sunshine area making that water a lake.

Agreed Gourmand S - hopefully we will find out that we are on a peninsula ...

I wonder if that western area would be a good place for a wonder - with all that forest we could build a temple and chop our way to 200 shields easily (just kidding of course)

If we are on a peninsula with no land connection in the west, I have the perfect name for our area - The Croissant subcontinent (of course we couldn't tell that name to the other civs as they would quickly guess what our area looks like ... )

Last edited by Sharpe on 08-10-2003 at 06:58

	09-10-2003 01:37									#128
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The save is with us. I will be in the chat room for at least the next hour or so

	09-10-2003 01:41									#129
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Sorry, but I can't be there. No mIRC at work. Anything special going on?

	09-10-2003 01:45									#130
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My suggestions:

Fatty NW - I'd still like to see what's up that way. Could be a hut
Gourmand S
B.E. NW - Let's send him west. Gourmand should be able to cover east.

	09-10-2003 03:45									#131
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Agreed with those moves. Don't forget:
-Buffet citizen on tile 7 of city switches to the furs forest. This means only +1 fpt for two turns (so 1 more turn for growth total) and one less commerce, but means we only spend 3 turns total on the spear and finish it with no shield waste.

I think we should do it. Shields are more important than commerce right now IMO, and spending 6 shields to get the final 2 shields would be a waste. The game says this won't effect Myst, but with the worker being built and other pop fluctuations coming into effect, I don't know whether that's true or not.

	09-10-2003 06:23									#132
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Suggestions for 2270 BC:
-Chow Mein finishes worker, next build settler
-New worker in Chow Mein to be named "Farmhand the Worker", moved N and ordered to mine (helps get Chow Mein closer to building 4-turn settlers)
-Farmer W onto the furs
-Fatty W
-Gourmand S
-Big Eater N

	09-10-2003 07:56									#133
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quote: Originally posted by Kloreep Suggestions for 2270 BC: -Chow Mein finishes worker, next build settler -New worker in Chow Mein to be named "Farmhand the Worker", moved N and ordered to mine (helps get Chow Mein closer to building 4-turn settlers) -Farmer W onto the furs -Fatty W -Gourmand S -Big Eater N

All sound fine to me.

	09-10-2003 16:36									#134
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And what did you do witrh the tech-slider? 0%, 10% or 20%?

Aidun

	09-10-2003 22:26									#135
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10%

I think it's in the turn report, maybe I forgot.

	11-10-2003 07:37									#136
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Suggestions for 2270 BC:
-Chow Mein finishes worker, next build settler
-New worker in Chow Mein to be named "Farmhand the Worker", moved N and ordered to mine (helps get Chow Mein closer to building 4-turn settlers)
-Farmer W onto the furs
-Fatty W
-Gourmand S
-Big Eater N

Sounds fine with me too - but we really did to find out if we can trade with Sunshine for Iron Working before we finish our turn (unfortunately the gamesave is already with us...).

	11-10-2003 07:50									#137
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I assume they're willing to trade since it keeps getting put up on the diplo screen. We will need more money though I'm sure.

BTW, I'll be mostly to totally off-line on saturday, and may be gone to some extent on sunday too; all depends on how I do in an out-of-town tennis tournament.

	11-10-2003 08:04									#138
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If someone can post the gamesave here that would be great.

Oh, by the way, if any of you are still having problems with all of those error messages that Poly has been having recently, some people in the Community forum figured out to switch to Light-Ultra Special style (any one of them) and the error messages should go away.

	12-10-2003 06:25									#139
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Edit: next turn should be 2230 BC:
-Gourmand SW
-Big Eater NW
-Fatty W
-Farmer roads
-Buffet citizen on wheat switches to roaded bonus 1 of the city
-New Chow Mein citizen works wheat

BTW, we went over 24 hours this turn. We might not have gotten a chance to change WF to maximize food if Panzer had been on and played the turn. I suggest we place playing the turn under the limit above getting more input on the turn.

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	12-10-2003 10:50									#140
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Hmmm, I was on and saw that the turn was ready this morning, but neither you, ZargonX or Aggie were on. I thought about PMing CoD to get them to send me the save so I could play it, but decided not to overstep my authority. If you want me to I would be fine with being a back-up turnplayer if you want to add me to CoD's email list. My email is rhothaerill AT comcast DOT net

	13-10-2003 05:03									#141
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Sounds good. The more turnplayers the better.

	13-10-2003 06:39									#142
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Maybe we should do like Legoland and find out who wants the save. While I don't want to play the turns, I am curious to see the saves.

So, I wouldn't mind getting added to the save list. sarnott AT mountaincable DOT net

	14-10-2003 02:32									#143
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So does anyone have any problem with me being a back-up turnplayer? If not I'll go ahead and PM Arrian and Frustrated Poet to add me to their email list.

	14-10-2003 05:39									#144
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I don't have a problem with it, Rhoth We should go ahead and add you and Sharpe to the list. I'll also start a "who's playing this turn" thread so we don't have any double-plays.

	14-10-2003 09:01									#145
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Sounds good Zargon. Turn orders will be even more important with more players, but I think it'll help speed up our turnover time. I only plan on playing the turn if I'm the first to see it.

	14-10-2003 22:02									#146
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I PMed Arrian and Frustrated Poet as well as posting in the main forum to add Sharpe and myself to the email list. Both have responded that they will add us.

My next question is...who do we send the save to if one of us plays the turn? Apologies if there is a thread about this already.

EDIT: never mind, I found it.
jimmy_h_13 ( at )yahoo ( do t) com and
dwyerowen( at ) hotmail (d o t) com

2nd EDIT to add Panzer: panzer32 AT hotmail DOT com

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	15-10-2003 03:30									#147
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Oops wrong button.

	15-10-2003 05:23									#148
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quote: Edit: next turn should be 2230 BC: -Gourmand SW -Big Eater NW -Fatty W -Farmer roads -Buffet citizen on wheat switches to roaded bonus 1 of the city -New Chow Mein citizen works wheat

Agreed with Gourmand, Big Eater Fatty and Farmer orders

Just looked at the turn, with the current situation (in which Buffet has the wheat):

Buffet will grow in 2 turns to size 4 and finish the spear in 1 turn

Chow Mein will finish the settler in 4 turns and also grow in 4 turns (to size 3)

If we switched the wheat to Chow Mein, it would grow in 2 turns to size 5, but the furs won't be connected until 3 turns. So I would keep the wheat on Buffet for now as it seems optimal to keep what is there now - at least for this turn.

	15-10-2003 05:41									#149
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I think we might have the lux in time to prevent disorder, but I can't be sure 1-turn remaining workers finish before city calcs.

Since we can put Chow back on +5 fpt soon, I suggest moving the Chow citizen 8 of the city onto the furs for an extra shield. There isn't a difference between +3 or +2 fpt this turn for Chow, but the extra shield may help.

	15-10-2003 06:33									#150
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-Buffet finishes spear. Next build spear
-Chow Mein citizen on unmined bonus grass switches to furs forest (only +2 fpt needed to make the +5 fpt turn after this generate growth). Change settler build to a temple before popping hut.
-Fatty NW to pop the hut
-Gourmand SW
-Big Eater W? (The view to the NW of N is blocked by a second mountain)
-New spear in Buffet to be named ? and fortified