30-11-2003 01:18									#61
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To Arrian:

quote: despite the fact, that I posted your offer in our forum, the response of our knights is zero so far. Mainly because I'm the only one who's game-related active at the moment (the others eat ham and jam and spam a lot ... well ... occasionally, at least). Dave (who's the originator of the war effort) has disappeared at all, I hope he'll be back soon, as I need his opinion concerning your proposed changes (of the war route that is). So this is not our official stance yet, but just some thoughts of me: - Don't go too much for cheap units and upgrade. This is not SP, you probably aren't researching at 10% and collect money (at least we hope so) and getting shields will be easier for the foreseeable future than getting money. We're planning to start a 1-scientist research after we discover Currency. We already have Mathematics. Until then, we build units full-price. - Having CoD horsemen attacking and Python foot knights cleaning up is ok for us, although we would like to have a limited amount of horses ourselves, just like you probably would like to have a couple of swords. May be we "exchange" our resources at some point after 1000BC. - The road through your empire is ok with me, but I'm unsure about Dave. Our condition would be a Right of Passage agreement (for the sake of speed). And the road should be kept clean of your units (including workers), because this would slow us down. This would need a careful planning. You should make the base tile improvement right before or right after our workers go through and road, and after this keep the road free. - Your condition not to move is fine with me and as long as the majority in our team will not outcry in protest (doesn't look so ATM) it will remain so. I will contact you again as soon as I have some more response from the others of my team.

	30-11-2003 09:53									#62
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The changed route looks fine.

	01-12-2003 19:06									#63
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From Arrian by PM:

quote: Thanks for the response. I haven't been around for a few days now (Thanksgiving Weekend here in the USA, which may explain some of your team's inactivity, if they're Americans). A couple things: We have ~150 gold, which is either 3+ swordsmen upgraded from warriors or 7+ horsemen upgraded from chariots, or a mixture. So there is some upgrade possibility for CoD. We researched writing at 40-turn pace, remember? A RoP is no problem for the roadbuilding effort. I'd already assumed that was a part of this alliance. We can coordinate things so we don't get in each other's way, I hope. How many workers were you guys going to devote to the roadbuilding process?

	01-12-2003 19:20									#64
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My response:

quote: we haven't researched a 40-turn tech and thus don't have much money at the moment. Of course if you have it, you can spend it as you like. As for the workers, we planned to use 2 of our industrious workers (able to road a tile in 2 turns by step-road-step-road-...) with a third joining them when it goes through jungle and mountains. Should be sufficient. We planned to protect them from barbarians with a spearman and a swordsman, when the route went around your empire. This will not be necessary, if you care for their safety while they are crossing your empire. We would then wait with the escort at the southern border, and found our base city there. Dave returned and approved the war route. Expect two of our workers in 2-3 turns. If you have a preference for the route, send your proposal. Rmember, it would be best if these tiles would be kept free later. Before the war begins, we'll give you notice if there are units crossing. Will be mostly workers, may be a settler in the end.

	01-12-2003 20:51									#65
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Back from Arrian:

quote: Ok, I will have a look at the most recent screenshot and figure out where I think the road should go. Some of it is already built, of course, or under construction (the northern bits, inside our current borders). I noticed the Monkey's thread in the public forum regarding deforestation. Excellent. If they want to give us a causus belli, I'm not going to argue.

	01-12-2003 21:16									#66
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Again, from Arrian, with a proposal for the route...

quote: Ok, here is how I see the road: Starting from the border between our nations, near Castle Loimbard & City of Snakes. Here is my proposed path: CoS 4 CoS 1 CoS 2 (done) Ciao 6 (done in the next turn or two). Ciao, by the way, is new, built 444 of Izzardia. Ciao 33 (the next task for the worker currently roading Ciao 6) Swindon 7 (done) Swindon 1 (hill) Swindon 12 (hill) Swindon 122 (hill) Swindon 1222 (jungle, silk) Swindon 12222 (jungle) Swindon 122222 (hill) Swindon 1222222 (jungle) and so on. We plan a city for Swindon 1122, so it will be off the road to the west, and will not interfere with movement. Ok, important questions, in order to coordinate things properly: Exactly when could your workers be at CoS 4? We currently have a worker on CoS 7, roading. He will finish in 2-3 turns (have to check on that, sorry). His next move, in our worker plan is to move 1, to CoS4, there to irrigate and then road. If your workers can really be at CoS4 in 2-3 turns, though, I'll have him hold off, and come in behind your guys (just to irrigate, and then get him out of the way for the troop movement that will eventually follow). Similarly, our Plan calls for the worker currently roading Ciao6 to move 2 (to Ciao33) and build both a road and a mine. If your workers will be moving through as quickly as you say, he too may need to do something else until your roadcrew is past, and then come back to build the mine. Depending on the exact timing, he may be able to build a road before your guys get there, allowing them to proceed straight to Swindon 1. Ideally, your workerteam moves would look like this: 1) move to CoS4 2) road 3) move to CoS1 4) road 5) move to Ciao 33. 6) move to Swindon 1. 7) road 8) ... 9) move south... and so on and so forth. Alternatively, it may be helpful for CoD for your guys to march around Ciao33 for now (I don't think it will actually waste any turns, since it will take only 1 turn of movement to get to Swindon1 from either Ciao33 or Ciao36). That will allow our worker to build his mine & road normally, which helps Ciao get some production going for its barracks build. We can surely protect your workers until they get down south of the silks. It's probably easiest to send a spearman with them from the start, provided you have one available.

	01-12-2003 21:34									#67
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... and back to Arrian. Lots of diplomatic traffic today:

quote: thanks for the road description. We will have to road either CdL-2 or CdL-3 first, and can be at CoS-4 in three turns from now: 1400 BC - move to CdL-2 or -3 1375 BC - road CdL-2 or -3 1350 BC - move to CoS-4 etc. Yes, we have a Spearman who babysits the workers, as there's also the Monkey warrior Cheetah running around. We will send him together with the workers then. If there are problems or other suggestions, let us know. Hope we can nicely synchronize all tile improvements. As for the casus belli: I'm sure, Monkey has chemical weapons! In fact, one of the swallows, who bring us coconuts from the tropes, made an air photograph, which clearly shows mobile laboratories on the roads through the monkey forests. At least 2 of our knights, Sir Colin and Sir Powell say so!

	01-12-2003 22:40									#68
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From Arrian:

quote: Sigh. Anyway, So you will enter our territory in 1350bc (which I call T67), at CoS4. Ok. I will order Englebert Slatiback (worker near CoS) to wait until your team passes, and then he can irrigate behind you. By my calculations, you will hit Ciao33 in 7 turns (T71). You guys move first, though, so we will have to make sure that tile is clear on T70. We have workers completing jobs near there, and will be able to move on T66 (two turns from now). I'm going to have 1 of them move to Ciao33 and road. He will finish that on T70, and move away. Perfect, I think! Then he and his teamate can come back and quickly mine Ciao33 after they're done developing an adjacent tile. Moving further ahead, you will reach Swindon1 on T72 (1225bc?). If you can add a third worker, they can build those hill roads in 1 turn, but 2 will get it done pretty fast anyway. The road will be done long before the troops it is designed to transport.

	02-12-2003 00:37									#69
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To Arrian, after playing the turn (there was some other PM exchange regarding game mechanics inbetween, without common interest):

quote: I just played our turn. Our 2 Workers are at CdL-3 now, will road there next turn and enter your territory at CoS-4 one turn later. There's Monkeys scouting Cheetah approaching. In order to prevent her from seeing the 2 Workers, can you please move a military unit to the forest tile at CoS-41 in exactly 3 turns (1325 BC)? We will cover CoS-44 with our guarding Spearman. It would look foul if we (or you) blocked both tiles, but this way it just looks as if we're watching each other. It's only for a few turns, then our workers will be well inside your territory and the units can be withdrawn.

	02-12-2003 04:46									#70
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Arrians answer:

quote: I think we can manage that. Ok so "now" which is T65, your workers are at CdL3. On T66 they road. On T67 they move to CoS4. Hmm. The only problem here is now they can reach Ciao33 sooner than our worker can be out of the way. My suggested fix for that is to have your guys move a little closer to Izz (I'll tell you the exact tile once I have a look at a screenshot). They can still get to Swindon1 in 1 turn, due to roads and RoP. Which reminds me, we need to sign a RoP. I'll ask that we offer you one in-game.

Later added:

quote: Ciao33 is only 2 tiles away from Swindon1. The options are these: allow CoD's worker to move in and road Ciao33, which will complete on T71, or I can allocate him to a different task. If we go with the first option, your workers can either stop at Ciao6, or move to Ciao63 on T71. On T72, they can get to Swindon1. Your workers would move to Ciao33 on T71 road it on T72, and move to Swindon1 on T73. So, as you can see, option #1 gets your road builders to Swindon 1 a turn earlier.

	12-12-2003 23:19									#71
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From Arrian:

quote: FYI - we are now 10 turns from republic (as of 1275bc). Monkey has finished Literature. I asked them to send it to us so we could do a CoL <-> Lit trade, but when I got the turn, there was no diplo offer. So I offered CoL to them (unaccepted). You guys might want to start working on a Lit <-> philo + something trade. I suggested they research Map Making next. IIRC, you guys went for Math, so MM was really the only useful tech they could research. We appear to have made a 3rd hut deal (hut for the wheel) with Monkey. We're going to wait until we have republic, so we can block off HBR, and if you have math by then (and give it to us, as part of a republic deal) we might get polytheism out of the hut. We probably won't, but I figure it's worth a shot. My current thinking is that we can go for construction at 40-turn pace (1 scientist) after republic, to raise cash for troop upgrades and/or rushbuilding. I remember you saying you might do something similar after math (currency with 1 scientist?) So, how's math coming?

	12-12-2003 23:26									#72
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Quick answer

quote: we have Mathematics since a couple of turns and are 9 turns away from Currency. We can give you Mathematics next turn, if you need it. You are screwing us a bit with your hut for Wheel deal. The Wheel was, along with Philosophy, our part of the three way research agreement (The Wheel+Philosophy/Code of Laws/Literature). Can you please make another deal with Monkey?

	13-12-2003 00:08									#73
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Back from Arrian

quote: MY BAD!! I'm really sorry, I managed to totally forget the wheel was your tech... wow. That will be dealt with, for sure. Honest mistake, seriously, it wasn't intentional. Currency in 9, huh? You guys have been researching really fast How to the combined costs of math and currency compare to republic... is that a fair deal, or will we have to adjust? Anyway, get some sleep and we can talk about that later. I'll inform Monkey of my mistake, and work something else out with them.

	13-12-2003 00:11									#74
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My answer

quote: Mathematics plus Currency (8+16) are 4 points short of the price of Republic (28), so we planned to research Mysticism (4) as compensation. But from your previous message I read, that you already have it. Since we're planning to hoard gold after this for 40 turns, I'm sure we can find another solution.

	13-12-2003 00:41									#75
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From Arrian

quote: Yeah, we got mysticism from one of the huts we popped down in Monkeyland. Hmm, given the current tech situation, I guess it would be best if Python did Construction at 40 turns, whilst CoD does Polytheism (assuming of course that we don't get lucky and get Polytheism from the hut deal we're working on with Monkey). One of us should research HBR at some point (though I would prefer to hold off on it for a while, so that our barracks towns can pump out several chariots for upgrade first). We will have horses hooked up in 3 turns, IIRC. We can probably build 2-3 chariots before we get republic and go into anarchy. Anarchy will probably take 4-5 turns. Then, once we're in republic, we can see what our cashflow situation is. About how many more turns until you want to launch the war? I sent a PM to conmcb25, by the way, explaining my mistake with the wheel. I think I'm also going to set up a thread in our forum that lists which techs we have and where they came from, so we know which are available for us to trade, and which are yours.

	13-12-2003 00:53									#76
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And back from me to Arrian

quote: we are fine with researching Construction in 40 turns after we discover Currency. We do not plan to switch to Republic immediately. This would mean a couple of lost turns for our war production and thus, a loss of military strength, which we are not willing to take. Since we'll research at 40 turn pace anyway, gold won't be an issue. We will earn more than we can spend even under Despotism. The only downside is, that we can't rushbuy, but that's ok. We take our time of anarchy, while our armies are on their way south. The spoils of war will hopefully outmatch the few measly lost gold coins. We plan to strike somewhere around 600 BC, that is 25..30 turns from now. Can you get your troops together at this time too?

	13-12-2003 03:40									#77
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To Monkey, together with the turn mail:

quote: Hello Monkeys, how is it hanging? Your tails down the trees I mean. We offered you incredible knowledge about wheels. With the help of this advance you are able to see horses, which are invisible before, but produce very visible horse dung. Also, we sent you all we know about philosophy. What monkeys need wheels and horses for, and what they will do with philosophy, I don't know. At least I hope they won't try to eat it. Although I'm not sure about this. Anyway, our knights would like to see your knowledge of literature in return. Sir Ralph the M.O.R.O.N. (Minister of Ruining our Nation)

	13-12-2003 03:50									#78
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From Arrian

quote: Hmm, 25-30 turns from now. 10 turns until republic, ~5 turns in anarchy... that would leave 10-15 turns to build/upgrade CoD's army. I was just thinking (and posting about it in our forum) about this force for the invasion: 6 horse 6 sword 4 spear 4 cats (and hopefully 1 galley) Some of the spearmen are built already. I figure we will have 2-3 chariots going into anarchy. We should be able to build 4 more within 10 turns, plus several warriors. Basically, if we've got 15 turns once we're in republic, I'm confident we can deliver a solid army. In 15 turns, we should be able to build most of what I wanted to build and generate the cash needed to upgrade those troops (~230g more than what we have now) I guess I may have to give up on the catapults, or at least only bring 2. The galley could be lacking too. Can we agree that we will hold off until Monkey finishes Map Making, so we can get that out of them before we strike? What type of forces are you guys bringing to the party?

	13-12-2003 03:59									#79
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To Arrian (damn... I certainly boosted my post count today with that diplomacy)

quote: we think we'll bring around 20 swordsmen and a few (~3-5 of each) horsemen, spears and catapults. We are fine to wait till Monkey has Map Making. I hope they don't research it at a 40 turn pace. Another question: How will we name our continent for public posts? I don't want an Estonia/Stormia or Bob/Borconia mess, with every team using a different name. We are both English comedy teams. What about "Comedia"? Also, the jungle and the mountain chains should have names too. So should the western peninsula and the separating bay (which we name Gulf of Monkey, but that's temporary). Any thoughts?

	14-12-2003 05:58									#80
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From Arrian. Good news, CoD seems impressed by the force we build (I bet less impressed than scared ) and may build more than they promised yesterday.

quote: TWENTY swordsmen? Holy ****. I'll see if maybe CoD can come up with more than I had originally intended. If we're in this, I don't want to be useless in the war effort. We're going to want to crush them quickly, before their GA bonus allows them to stockpile large numbers of Numidians in Primate Central. "Comedia" is a decent idea for a name. I can't think of anything better right now, but I'll ask my teamates if they can (I'm kinda bad at that sort of thing). The I think the only thing we really named was the river our teams share - River of Snakes (but obviously, that's only our portion of it...). FYI - we have an archer moving down the Southwestern mountain chain and he just encountered a barbarian horseman (killed him, got promoted to vet, sweet!). So those little bastards are out there. Hopefully Frustrated Poet (the aforementioned archer) can nail a couple of barb camps, which will help pay for CoD's unit upgrades to come.

	17-12-2003 21:49									#81
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From Arrian:

quote: An update: CoD is now 7 turns from republic. Monkey is ~20 turns from Map Making. We have decided to trade them Mysticism for rights to the last goodie hut. We will pop the hut right after discovering republic, so we can block off HBR. If we do get a tech, it will be Polytheism or Construction, whichever is cheaper (I think polytheism). Cort Haus calculates that we will be able to come up with 8 swords, 8 horse, 4 spear and 2 catapults in time for the invasion. We also expect to bring at least 1 galley, but if we can, we will bring 2 (to ensure capability of sinking a Monkey escape craft). Oh, one other thing. Our next city is now planned for 22111 of Swindon (the original plan was to build on the hill 2211 of Swindon, but we decided to move it onto the river). The settler for that city will be done in 2 turns. That will be our southernmost city for quite a while... so once your roadcrew gets past the silk tile south of Swindon, if Monkey sees them, they will surely be suspicious. And we will no longer have a plausible excuse.

	18-12-2003 09:28									#82
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Message received from Monkey a few days ago (I've been slacking reading my PMs ).

quote: Hello Monty Python Guys, I have been chosen to be your new Monkey Ambassador. We hope all is well in Python land! We hope to have a very fruitful and mutually beneficial relationship into the future. A couple of issues, when its available we would like you to consider a map trade, we believe that would be mutually beneficial to both and would enable the both of us to have the same knowledge as CoD with there ever speedy scouts. Please discuss and let us know what you think, we still have time until map making. We would also like to discuss a frree exploration agreement. That means we get to explore where each other wants EXCEPT that we both agree to avoid each others culture rings. Please discuss and let us know what you think of this. Both CoD and we have agreed to a similar agreement. In the meantime we have noticed one of your warriors exploring the western half of our great Kingdom within our culture rings. We kindly ask you to head that warrior back north until we can reach some kind of an exploration agreement amongst gentlemen. Finally we would also like to begin discussing tech trades. We are on board with CoD's plan to race for Republic and would like to discuss how the Monkey- Monty Python trades would fit into this scheme. Please let me know who you want to be the Monkey Ambassador and Ill direct my future corrospondence to him, That way I can avoid the shotgun email approach Have a fine day and the Monkeys hope there are many fine shrubberies in your future! conmcb25 (Steve K) Monkey Ambassador

	18-12-2003 09:29									#83
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And reply sent:

quote: Hi conmcb25! Sorry for the late reply, I've been away for the past week. Feel free to throw bananas at me, they can't be as bad as the coconuts my team is throwing at me! quote: Please let me know who you want to be the Monkey Ambassador and Ill direct my future corrospondence to him, That way I can avoid the shotgun email approach That would be me. You can reach me at mcwill13@msu.edu or by private message (email will probably get a faster response). quote: We would also like to discuss a free exploration agreement. That means we get to explore where each other wants EXCEPT that we both agree to avoid each others culture rings. Please discuss and let us know what you think of this. Both CoD and we have agreed to a similar agreement. This has been our unofficial policy too. It looks like everyone is behaving with their explorers, let me know if you have any problems. I will put the map trade to a vote. It does seem logical to pool our resources to get the same knowledge as CoD. Monty Python is going for Mathematics/Currency, which will will trade to CoD for Republic. We would love to trade for Map Making too. It will be challenging to make a fair trade with our techs, but I'm sure we can figure something out. We will have Currency in about 6 turns, how are you doing with Map Making? May your bananas always outnumber your fleas, DaveMcW Monty Python Ambassador

	18-12-2003 14:05									#84
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To Arrian:

quote: We hereby give you notice, that in the next turns a Swordsman will cross your territory. Since there are many barbarians in the south and the rough terrain forces them to split sometimes (like now), our Workers need more guards. He's right now in Château de Loimbard. We assume you will go with your Worker (Englebert Slaptiback) from CoS-4 to CoS-1, to irrigate there. So the Swordsmans route will be: 1150BC: 322 to Ciao-1 1125BC: 6 to CoS-2 1100BC: 232 to Swindon-8 1075BC: 122 to Swindon-12, the place our Spearman holds now What concerns the excuse for the road, we may say for a while, that we also want a silks colony. Later we will build a city there as base camp, which they will see anyway, so no big deal. Some thoughts about research. We carefully need to plan our research cooperation. Monkey will be busy with Map Making for a while. If we (Python) research Construction with a 40-turn pace and you would find Polytheism in the hut, this would basically stall your research, since we assume you don't want neither Monarchy nor Horseback Riding, at least not yet. One possible solution is, that one of us goes to 0% research and funds the other, who researches at maximal pace with a fair gpt amount. This way, both of us could save some upgrade/rush money. What do you think?

	18-12-2003 19:25									#85
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2 PMs from Arrian:

quote: Hang on a minute with that swordsman route. I think it's fine, but I need to check our worker orders to make sure. You may have to dodge a worker team. We're still doing terrain development (mining) in the Ciao/Swindon area. The bits around the war road route should be done soon, though, so I don't expect our workers will get in your way when you send your main army through. I agree regarding research. It all hinges on whether or not we get polytheism. We will know soon. The chances aren't great, so most likely we will end up researching polytheism while you do construction.

quote: Ok, it looks like your proposed route goes right around our two workers at Ciao33. So go right ahead. FYI - there is a barbarian horseman at Swindon 1112222. We have a fortified regular warrior on the gold hill 122222 of Swindon (due east of the horsie) and we hope the barb will attack. Our archer, Frustrated Poet, is marching into the jungle from the mountain chain to the west, hoping to find and kill the encampment. There is also a barb warrior up in the mountains, but I'm not nearly as concerned about him. Monkey moved their warrior right next to your spear/workers, so they definitely see them.

	18-12-2003 19:35									#86
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My answer to Arrian

quote: good, so we agree about the route for the worker guard reinforcement. What concerns Monkey, it was inevitable that they see us at one time. If they ask you, what we want, tell them you don't know exactly, but were told, that we're desparately in need for luxuries and probably want to build a silks colony somewhere down there. Never forget the probably/may be etc. If they want to know our stance exactly, they shall contact our ambassador. We sacked a barbarian camp on the southern end of the jungle last turn, but given the size of the jungle it's certainly not the only one.

Note to DaveMcW (Ambassador to Monkey): They have spotted our workers, be prepared to respond to a serious question. If possible, faster than the last time , because missing response creates only more mistrust.

EDIT: A possible and honorable excuse is, of course, a trade route.

	20-12-2003 03:49									#87
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From Arrian, 2 PMs. Important for message exchange with Monkey

quote: FYI: a new message from Monkey indicates 17 turns until Map Making. They have also noticed that Python rates strong to them in military power, and that they rank strong to us. They therefore concluded that CoD is VERY weak compared to you guys (probably true right now), and asked if we were aware of it. I responded that your power had not gone unnoticed, but that a small number of units can have a big impact on the power ranking this early in the game, and that we were not exactly defenseless. My hope is that CoD's military buildup will be viewed by Monkey as a response to yours. One thing struck me as odd, however: they have said nothing about your road crew.

quote: No sooner do I remark on the Monkey's lack of comment on the roadcrew, then they send a second PM asking about it. Heh. I told them you're help us with a road and hooking up silks.

	23-12-2003 21:58									#88
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To Arrian:

quote: We have Currency and would send it in exchange for The Republic. Together with the already delivered Mathematics that's still 4 points short of The Republic, so let us know what you want as compensation. With Construction, we started a 40 turn research now. If you research Polytheism, or find it in a hut, the next deal could be Warrior Code (3) + Mysticism (4) + Polytheism (12) for Construction (20). That's almost even. I'm sure we find a solution for Horseback Riding too, which is the last advance to research before we enter the Medieval age. Since the upcoming war (hopefully) leaves us alone on our continent, we need to discuss a suicide galley concept, which will connect us with the other continent ASAP to make sure we can keep up in research. I think you should send galleys from the east coast (we don't have cities there at the moment), while we will try our luck from the west cost, where you are lacking productive cities. All contacts made by the common effort shall be shared without fee, regardless which side makes them. Can you agree with this deal? The # of galleys to be sent can be a subject of further negotiations.

	24-12-2003 01:06									#89
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From Arrian:

quote: Ok, so there are 4 research points (96 beakers, though I think Monarch level jacks that cost up to more like 105 beakers... honestly, I'm not exactly sure how that works) to be made up from out Math+Currency for Republic deal. That's not all that important right now... and figuring out what to do about it would be easier once we know whether or not we get Polytheism from the hut. So for now, let's just put that on hold. Send us currency, and we will send you republic as soon as we have it. Once we pop the final hut, we can decide what we want to do to even up our trades. My current intention, by the way, is to research Horseback Riding after Republic, followed by Polytheism... trying to time our discovery of Polytheism to coincide with yours of Construction. The easiest thing would probably be for us to get some gold for you to cover the 4 research points (which would help us with unit upgrades). Let's talk again in a few turns. I'm pretty sure that the cooperative suicide galley runs (and free contact trading) will be fine with us. IIRC, Cort Haus suggested that exact idea not too long ago. I'll confirm and get back to you. Have you guys decided what you are going to do with your empire (two halves with us in the middle, or move the whole thing to the South)?

Quick answer:

quote: We're fine with a split empire. If we won't get a leader for a FP rush, we'll palace jump.

	06-01-2004 03:48									#90
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From Arrian:

quote: FYI - We popped the final hut down by Monkey and the funniest thing happened: we got a tech I had forgotten about. Map Making. This is both good and bad. The good: we should now be able to trade maps with you, and we can build galleys now (in fact, we think that we can complete one the very turn we come out of anarchy). The bad: Monkey is researching MM. Once everyone comes out of their holiday-induced stupor (as I'm starting to), they will likely notice that their research time has dropped due to us having the tech. Even if they don't notice that, they are going to ask us what we got out of the hut. My intention is to wait until they bring it up, but once they do, there is no point in lying about it, since that will be a dead giveaway regarding our intentions. The problem is that once they know we got MM from the hut, they are going to want to get out from under the MM research they are doing (which is now wasteful, if viewed from the perspective of a team involved in a research alliance). But I don't want them to have MM yet - the last thing we need is Monkeys fleeing the war on boats. I guess I could tell them to continue with MM research and promise not to trade MM to Python - leaving that deal to them, so that their research has some value. I dunno, this is a bit trickey. By the way, the element of surprise is going to be increasingly difficult to manage as your roadcrew marches southward. It will all but evaporate once you build your fort town south of the jungle... perhaps CoD should build that town and we could gift it back and forth for troop movement purposes? Since CoD is already expanding south into the jungle, us building a town at the south edge is logical, if a bit provocative. Python building a town, on the other hand, is almost as good as a declaration of war. In fact, come to think of it, if CoD builds a city way down south (I'd love to get up on those hills south of the jungle) and Monkey gets annoyed, we could offer Republic as "compensation."