05-05-2004 21:56									#91
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E you have a bug with rivers they become a dash instead of one continues line.

	05-05-2004 23:17									#92
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Mc you are right, the border is assigned to the TileSetIndex not the TileID. The only workaround I can think of is to use more borderless tiles and then an awful lot of rules. Unless you can come up with a fix for the sourcecode that will allow more borders for the same TileSetIndex.

Btw has anyone tried having more than one border for the same set of TileSetIndex?

	06-05-2004 00:25									#93
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tile rules are a mine field.

I worked out to integrate lava rifts and regular rifts would take some 1400 rules


I might have to test this but if we get the variation rule to point to a new tile we could assign that that borders. it’s a very dirty work around however.

	06-05-2004 02:16									#94
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Hmm. Well we know of one VariationRule that works on a straight line of the same terraintype, bordering two or more other types: the shelf. This is per definition only one tile wide, so why not do the same to beaches, forests, hills etc.

I don't know how the game desides when to use the VRs. They show up on generated terrain, but not on painted terrain.

Has anyone tried adding new VRs? is there a limit to the number of them, or can we add as many as we like. TileEdit should handle them correctly from build 27.

	06-05-2004 03:47									#95
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my knowledge of vr is the same as you as far as i can tell you can have a vr of one.

Acticrap really wind me up with this one they claim to make ctp modifiable then hide have the stuff we need to really mod the game in the source.

	06-05-2004 11:06									#96
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In the orriginal TileFile, there are two VRs for each of mountains, shallow, deep, white mountain, and desert mountain. So we'll have to experiment. I'll se if I can get around to doing so sometime next week.

	06-05-2004 21:22									#97
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are the VRs linked to why some tiles are the exact same no matter how many there are and why others vary fairly well, if I'm understanding this right.

There definetely needs to be a vr for hills, jungles, grassland, plans, desert mountains

	06-05-2004 21:25									#98
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You know how in deep water you sometimes get craters to appear there them.

	06-05-2004 23:39									#99
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VRs can make things like minor mountain chains, the max size of a VR is 5 tiles, so they can't be used to make any realy huge features. Other types of variation can be acieved with tile-rules.

	06-05-2004 23:50									#100
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Who says the max vi is 5 I haven’t tried but it should be possible to have a six.

	07-05-2004 19:44									#101
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Try it! I think I tried it at some point, if I did, the result was not encouraging. But you can make as many VRs as you like as long as the chain is no more than five tiles long. (doesn't have to be in a straight line)
As I said earlier I don't know how CtP choses the VRs.

	07-05-2004 20:23									#102
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I got a VR with 6 to run with no visible problems the only problem is that I cant find it in game

Do you think the amount of times a vr rule pops up is in some way related to the number of tiles you manipulate when I ran a vr of one it appeared almost all the time.

	08-05-2004 23:41									#103
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Mc, what good is a 6-tile VR that doesn't show up?

I have no idea as to how the game selects those VRs. The only thing I know is that you can't plase them there maually. The best way of tesing the VR implementation is to play with deep-sea VRs. Deep-sea is the only reasonably large uniform terrain available.

	09-05-2004 00:36									#104
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The vr was the deep see one.

	11-05-2004 07:11									#105
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Is there anway you can make it for jungles and hills and deserthills? It would make my terrain look better.

	11-05-2004 07:12									#106
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quote: Originally posted by The Big Mc E you have a bug with rivers they become a dash instead of one continues line.

I think its a side effect of my "expanded" no-square borders...

	11-05-2004 10:41									#107
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quote: Originally posted by E Is there anway you can make it for jungles and hills and deserthills? It would make my terrain look better.

Yes you can make VRs for anny terraintype.

	11-05-2004 19:07									#108
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Sweet.

Now I gotta find a tutorial on making VRs so I can package it with my tiles....

	11-05-2004 20:15									#109
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The closest thing to a read me is probably the tile edit thread and the read me in Tile Edit.

	12-05-2004 06:59									#110
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I did a little tweaking thanks to OnePressent's PM.... I basically brought back lighter jungles from Ctp2 but added the Ctp1 jungle trees to it (seen on the left). On the right are the darker SnOOpy jungles. Which do you guys prefer?

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	13-05-2004 00:58									#111
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no comments on the new jungles?

	13-05-2004 01:04									#112
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The ones on the left.

	13-05-2004 01:11									#113
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I concur , never liked those coconut-palm plantations.

	13-05-2004 01:29									#114
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At first I liked the ones on the right better, but I think I've changed my mind now. The ones on the left .

	13-05-2004 22:31									#115
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Does this mean you guys are actually playing with these tile sets?

The way things are looking I'm thinking about making the ones on the left a permanent change. Maq or BigMC any input?

	13-05-2004 23:20									#116
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quote: Originally posted by E Does this mean you guys are actually playing with these tile sets?

Nope, but I might if I were actually playing CTP2 at all...

	14-05-2004 00:59									#117
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I like the left a lot more

However e realise this before you make a lot of changes you can have both. Incorporate one as a redundant tile it’s extremely easy to do if you don’t mind getting dirty in the script file.

	14-05-2004 19:44									#118
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quote: Originally posted by The Big Mc I like the left a lot more However e realise this before you make a lot of changes you can have both. Incorporate one as a redundant tile it’s extremely easy to do if you don’t mind getting dirty in the script file.

Thanks for the help BigMC, you always find a way to make me realize how programming-challenged I truely am...

	14-05-2004 20:09									#119
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Send me the latest tile files tile files

I will probably end up barricading my self in my room anyway

	19-05-2004 02:07									#120
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Great job

Gives the game a new feel . Think that it should be in the main Ctp2 downlode files. Gave the files a try last nigh tand had no problems I could see with a saved game .Again great work -one step (file) to Ctp3