08-11-2003 01:06									#1
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The candidates are:

Trip
Arnelos
tkmjcw

From the Constitution:

h. Scheduled Consular elections will be held for 48 hours starting on the 7th of the month.
i. If a single candidate obtains a majority of votes in the first vote, he will be the new Consul.
j. If no candidate achieves a majority of the votes, then a second vote will immediatley be held for 48 hours between the two leading candidates of the first vote. If a tie on the first vote prevents only two candidates from being chosen for the second vote, then any ties will be broken by a vote of the the other Consuls and the three ministers until there are only two leading candidates available for the second vote.
k. If there is a tie vote and only two candidates have received votes, the current holder of the Consul office will break the tie.

	08-11-2003 04:17									#2
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I voted for Arnelos. I am confident he will do a great job as Consul

	08-11-2003 04:36									#3
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I voted for Arnelos, not because I don't think Trip would do a great job as Consul, but because I'm much more interested in seeing this war finish in the same very capable hands it started in.

	08-11-2003 05:40									#4
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I believe both candidates are good choices, but I'd like to see the war concluded before Trip retires from his position as MOW.

--Togas

	08-11-2003 06:55									#5
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Voted for Arnelos, mainly because I feel the nation is better served if Trip is running the war. If we weren't at war, then yes, I'd vote for Trip.

	08-11-2003 11:34									#6
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Errm, these are copout wussy votes.

The fact that Trip wouldn't be in charge of military matters should be irrelevant. He'd now be in charge of EVERYTHING and still have a major influence as well as input in the way the war is run.

It's not fair either for Arnelos or tkmjcw to win because of pity for Trip.

Vote for who you think is the best candidate. War or no war. That's what I did and I'm proud of it.

	08-11-2003 11:48									#7
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I happen to KNOW that Arnelos didn't want votes because some crap like Trip wouldn't be running the military.

	08-11-2003 22:00									#8
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Both candidates are good enough to handle the consul seat. Apolyton is lucky to have not one but two replacements for MrWIA. Of course, I had to choose one, and he was Arnelos.

About tkmjcw, I just don't know him well enoguh to tell.

	08-11-2003 22:19									#9
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Tough choice. I'm sure that any of them would be a great Consul

PS and yes, we don't know tkmjcw well enough. But it is good to see people ready to take responsibility.

	09-11-2003 00:52									#10
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I've been mostly a spectator, but I'd like to compliment, very highly, both Trip and Arnelos.

I voted for Trip, subject to Aggie (*nemesis* ) being MoW. Arnelos, I believe that the FAM is of paramount importance right now, and it needs your greatest attention.

tkmjcw, I'd suggest taking on a Ministry role... perhaps assistance to E_T?

	09-11-2003 07:00									#11
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As copied from the campaign thread:

Well, I'm finally running for Consul. While I've certainly desired to run for the office before, this is the first opportunity where I have both the time to fulfill the responsibilities of the office and I won't (if successful) be dislodging someone from the office that I felt had done a perfectly good job and didn't need to be removed.

I was certainly tempted to run when the game started and I know a number of you asked me to do so at that time, but I simply didn't have the time myself. Having established that I know when I don't feel I can fulfill the time commitment and turning down the chance to run, you can have confidence that I would not be running this time unless I was entirely serious.

As many of you know, I have twice before served as an acting or "Deputy" Consul for temporarily absent Consul and I am thankful for those opportunities. I would now like the opportunity to become a full Consul myself, as was my intention when I used those experiences as chances to learn how the organization system here worked differently than my previous executive experiences and how I might help to improve it myself.

As for what I would bring to the job, I believe I have done a good job as an executive the previous times this community (the SPDG and the ISDG) has given me the opportunity before and I'd like to take the opportunity to now serve you as Consul. I would think that my record demonstrates that I have acted fairly and responsibly in such positions and that, above all, while I certainly am one to encourage debate and discussion and I certainly will push my own viewpoint, I have shown repeatedly in the past that I ardently work toward transparency in government operation and the defense of popular will and the rules. There are, of course, some decisions I'm willing to make because I have been entrusted to make them on behalf of others. That said, I will admit that my instincts are probably tilted a bit more toward allowing additional discussion and debate where necessary rather than making overly hasty decisions on my own.

One thing that I am certainly attached to when it comes to government in democracy games is transparency. Without transparency in what government is doing and why, a "democracy" quickly devolves. My commitment to ensuring that the membership of the game knows and understands what its elected leaders are doing and why can be seen rather plainly in my record. For reference, I will link you to threads where this has been demonstrated:

As Acting Consul for NYE's absense (please note my turn log):
http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...?threadid=98228

My first report as FAM of the SPDG (December 2002):
http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...?threadid=70834

Turnchat reports by me when I was President of the SPDG (December 2002):
http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...?threadid=71686
http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...?threadid=72277
http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...?threadid=72478
http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...?threadid=72937
http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...?threadid=74391

The thread I think that might be the most useful for those looking at this race is the following:
http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...?threadid=75907
I remain, to this day, touched by what donegeal said about me in that thread. My apologies for not running last time.

As for my stance on the spying part of potential cheating in this game and where that issue went when the game started, I'd like to link you to the thread where this team was finally brought to fruition by the good work on Beta and where early discussion from the U.N. was discussed. I remain thankful for what Beta and MrWIA said in that thread:
http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...30&pagenumber=4

Finally, as a parting note for this campaign statement, I'd like to link you to the last "speech" thread I did at the outset of this great war as an attempt at inspiration. Let it not be forgotten that despite the recent potential cheating flap, what was said in that thread remains true and you, the people, have done much to overcome the challenges we have faced together.
http://www.apolyton.com/forums/show...?threadid=97990

Thank you and it is my hope that you vote for me for Consul.

	09-11-2003 08:12									#12
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Whitebandit challanged me to choose a canidate based not on the MOW issue, but on which canidate would be a better Consul.

While I disagree with those who seem to insist that the MOW position and being in the middle of a war should not be a factor what-so-ever, I will overlook that for the moment.

I've been around since the beginning of the CivIII SPDG, back when Trip was the very first President, and also was around when Arnelos was President later on, after Trip had retired.

My thoughts:

Trip is a fantastic leader of men and general. He singlemindedly can take up most any task, present it well, argue it forever, and fight for whatever cause he believes in. Few people have the energy and enthusiasm and drive that he does. Even when I disagree with Trip, I admire him for his determination and his convictions.

Trip does well when shouldered with the burden of leadership alone. He can be trusted to carry out a major project (like starting up a new Demo Game). However, his downside is that he doesn't collaborate well. He's a leader, not a politician. He's more of a lobbiest/crusader than a careful decision maker.

Arnelos is, in my opinion, more of the latter. While he can argue a point with you endlessly, he seems to excel more at creating compromise, gathering consensus, and making different parties feel they are a part of the decision.

Given that our government needs more team builders and consensus builders than leaders right now, I feel that Arnelos is a better fit to work with the other two Consuls, and with the Ministers.

Thus, Arnelos gets my vote.

--Togas

	09-11-2003 10:03									#13
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Togas is quite right. Thus, I too vote for Arnelos as Consul.

	09-11-2003 10:28									#14
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Well, looks like I keep my illustrious and uncontested achievement of having never won an election.

Arnelos: Congratulations on the victory and good luck in the future.

This seems to be a good time to stop while I'm behind and bow out of the world of politics; it doesn't seem to fit for me anyways.

	09-11-2003 11:57									#15
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Future reference, Trip: I'll vote for you anytime, anywhere.

Congrats Arnelos... You will be awesome.

	09-11-2003 17:31									#16
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The more I play DG's the more I realize that foreign affairs or micromanagment or sound millitary tactics are not the most important things in a PTWDG team. Any team can excel at these things if it works well together and puts the effort in.

Strong leadership is the key to success. Someone who can pull people in and focus efforts is more potent than having the best civ player in the world on your team.


I voted for the one candidate who sent me a message asking me to vote.

	09-11-2003 21:06									#17
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I is really had to say which candidate should become consul, I can especially say that honestly of those whom I know best: Trip has done a fine job for the ISDG in the past, Arnelos is a talented diplomat who does always see an opportunity to make a good deal.

I chose Arnelos for his great diplomacy. He is the man who knows how to lead and how to maneuver a country through the wild ocean of the international politics with all its difficulties. Make'em shiver for you Arnelos!

Aidun

	10-11-2003 00:48									#18
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This was a tough election between 2 worthy candidates and it was shame that one must lose. Darn, I can't run the military yet, come on, how can I launch a coup if I don't get the military. j/k

Arnelos, congratulations on your hard fought win. I am sure you will do justice to the position.

Trip, your day to be consul will come one day. Do not expect to stay retired from politics forever.

Aggie

	10-11-2003 04:21									#19
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Congrats on the win Arnelos. I'm sure you'll do a great job.

	10-11-2003 04:48									#20
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Also I overlooked tkmjcw in my earlier state.
tkmjcw, please stay active and bring up ideas and I am sure one day you will find yourself in the position you desire.
Aggie

	10-11-2003 13:39									#21
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Damn. Poll closed before I could vote. Manually add +1 for Arnelos please.

Oh well, he won anyway.

	10-11-2003 13:45									#22
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I think we should amend the Con to allow for at least 3 days of voting if not more. What do you all think?

	10-11-2003 14:40									#23
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Well, it's 2 days now... I suppose 3 days wouldn't be too bad.

	10-11-2003 14:58									#24
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It would allow for voting on both sides of a weekend; like this election was.

	10-11-2003 15:10									#25
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3 days sounds good.

	10-11-2003 21:05									#26
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree I think we should amend the Con to allow for at least 3 days of voting if not more. What do you all think?

I support your idea. 2 days isn't enough. 3 days seam perfect.

	10-11-2003 21:55									#27
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Post an amendment poll....
3 days is also good.

E_T

	11-11-2003 00:47									#28
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Oops - too late to vote I guess.

GK

	11-11-2003 02:33									#29
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I support 3 days myself. Why? Because I didn't get to vote!! (although that by itself saved me from a crucial moral dilema)

	11-11-2003 03:32									#30
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I did vote. And it was the toughest election yet. My hearty congratulations to all three contestants, including tkm who stepped forward albeit being fairly new.



Man, I love Apolyton.... sniff sniff sniff

(It is election day here in Toronto as well - fairly tight race for mayor - and I always get a bit sentimental when I go to vote in peace and without fear of being coerced, shot, or having my ballot 'lost'. )