17-03-2004 16:54									#211
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@Boco

Yes, they played football to try to forget the cruel in the First World War.
A lot of English teams were created in that time who still excist.

	17-03-2004 17:49									#212
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Stadiums were small local affairs, but according to legend, footie was played on xmas day by the warring factions.

(I'd hate to see what happened when eiher side lost the game! :eek

	17-03-2004 17:50									#213
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UPDATE - Things are at 80% completion - Today I will be working on new cities graphics!

	17-03-2004 20:49									#214
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	17-03-2004 22:34									#215
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quote: Originally posted by Boco They actually showed Arsenal slaughter another team (Blackpool?) on US cable tv. No ManU jerseys in sight - AFAIK, that's kinda rare over here. Btw Curt, did they really play footy in stadia to placate the masses during WWI?

Damn those Gooners Yeah, it was 2-0 to the Arse against Blackpool. They are romping home with the Premiership (a 9-point lead now I think) and are favourites for the Champion's League and the FA Cup

Man U, on the other hand are losing consistently and favourites to win nothing

Sorry for the OT Curt! Are you still looking for a Mk IV BTW, or will you use Nemo's?

	18-03-2004 00:08									#216
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Say Curt, thats a Chinese infantry in the bottom right hand unit slot right? I'm just curious, could you tell me where I could find the flag you referenced to make his unit shield? I know of afew turn of the century Chinese flags that are similar to that one but over all quite different.

Just curious!

	18-03-2004 02:22									#217
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I know for a fact that post WW1 germany had hockey stadiums. And it was a war ravaged economy. So i guess that football stadiums should have been around during WW1.

	18-03-2004 03:22									#218
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Keegan mentions another legend. At least one regiment kicked off the first wave of the Somme by booting a ball into no-mans-land. That had to be the saddest offensive of the war for the Brits.

	18-03-2004 09:27									#219
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quote: Originally posted by Boco Keegan mentions another legend. At least one regiment kicked off the first wave of the Somme by booting a ball into no-mans-land. That had to be the saddest offensive of the war for the Brits.

They were from the East Surrey Regiment, I think. I remeber seeing an illustration from a Brit newspaper which showed them kicking a pigskin as they crossed no-man's land. It was captioned "The Surreys play the game" or something like that.

You got to admit, those guys must have had a lot of balls.

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You should be clubbed for that one. Clubbed...with EXTREME
PREDJUDICE!!!

	18-03-2004 12:15									#221
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quote: Originally posted by Boco That had to be the saddest offensive of the war for the Brits.

Especially the Newfoundland regiment's involvement in it. Almost every young man in the colony was killed or wounded in a matter of minutes when the regiment went 'over the top' against intact German defences.

While the Australians missed the worst of the Somme, it's closing stages still managed to squeze in the worst days in Australian history: over 10,000 casualties in two and a half days fighting.

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quote: Originally posted by fairline Damn those Gooners Yeah, it was 2-0 to the Arse against Blackpool. They are romping home with the Premiership (a 9-point lead now I think) and are favourites for the Champion's League and the FA Cup Man U, on the other hand are losing consistently and favourites to win nothing Sorry for the OT Curt! Are you still looking for a Mk IV BTW, or will you use Nemo's?

No worries!
My sympathies on the footy front - such is the cruel hand of fate in the great game!

Yep, if you are up for it, I could use a spiffy fairline MKIV!

PS
I have given the Entente and cultural allies the MKIV, which only the Entente can upgrade to a FT17.

The Centrals will have use of the Stormtrooper, but the Prussians/Germans
will have exclusive use of the deadly Krupps super mortar!

	18-03-2004 18:30									#223
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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Say Curt, thats a Chinese infantry in the bottom right hand unit slot right? I'm just curious, could you tell me where I could find the flag you referenced to make his unit shield? I know of afew turn of the century Chinese flags that are similar to that one but over all quite different. Just curious!

I was a fake flag I dreamed up, based on a few imperial Chinese ideas...

Just a barb flag really.

	18-03-2004 18:32									#224
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quote: Originally posted by Case Especially the Newfoundland regiment's involvement in it. Almost every young man in the colony was killed or wounded in a matter of minutes when the regiment went 'over the top' against intact German defences. While the Australians missed the worst of the Somme, it's closing stages still managed to squeze in the worst days in Australian history: over 10,000 casualties in two and a half days fighting.

The nightmare of Victorian tactics versus modern arms...

A tragic waste of men.

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The Battle of the Somme was so devastating that Newfoundland was thrust into a terrible recession that took years to emerge from. The loss of nearly an entire generation of young men was too much for the territory to bear at the time.

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quote: Originally posted by Case Especially the Newfoundland regiment's involvement in it. Almost every young man in the colony was killed or wounded in a matter of minutes when the regiment went 'over the top' against intact German defences. While the Australians missed the worst of the Somme, it's closing stages still managed to squeze in the worst days in Australian history: over 10,000 casualties in two and a half days fighting.

Much the same thing applied to whole communites in Britain. The British regimental system was such that battalions were recruited regionally, and this was amplified by the 'Pal's' battalions which were recruited from a single town. Heavy losses for a given battalion meant that a single community suffered badly.

My Dad has a photo of his father and uncle taken in 1916, both recuperating from serious wounds in England. My Grandfather (who was in the Navy) had been wounded in the Dardanelles, but his 2 brothers and brother-in law had joined the same battalion of the Worcestershire Regiment. The oldest brother and their brother-in-law were killed on the Somme, while the youngest brother was seriously wounded. This sort of experience in a single family was not a-typical.

	19-03-2004 02:57									#227
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@ Curt: Sorry for the threadjacking but I just wanted to make sure you haven't forgot about the graphics I needed Curt. Of course it's not urgent, take your time.

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	19-03-2004 03:34									#228
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Curt, maybe you'd want to move the French Cavalry. The slot where it is has the effect of as if you produced nuclear weapons (giving you diplomatic advantages over everyone else.)

Maybe consider switching it with the gas weapon (to simulate people's fears of chemical warfare) or a barbarian unit so the effect never even exists.

Thought I'd throw that in there before the playtest is released.

	19-03-2004 03:55									#229
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rmshape: that won't happen if it's a hero unit that doesn't have a tech, right?

	19-03-2004 04:14									#230
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@rmsharpe:

Well spotted!
The units have been switched.
Gas now has the nuke slot.

	19-03-2004 04:30									#231
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Here are the current units and the unit names too!

Engineers
Fokker Eindecker
French Infantry (1914)
French Infantry (1915)
BEF Trooper
British Infantry
Avro 504
Fokker DVII
Wild Raiders
Bolsheviks
Italian Infantry
Austrian Infantry
German Infantry (1914)
German Infantry (1915)
Armoured Car (Central)
British Cavalry
Russian Cavalry
German Cavalry
Nieuport 17
Spad 7/13
Gotha G5
DeHavilland DH-4
MKIV Tank
Field Gun (Entente)
Howitzer (Entente)
Field Gun (Central)
Howitzer (Central)
Monoplane Fighter
Biplane Fighter
Zepplin
Sopwith Camel
Handley Page Bomber
FE2B Fighter
Albatros DII/III/IV
Red Baron (Albatros)
Red Baron (Fokker DRI)
Ocean Liner
Destroyer
Cruiser
Dreadnought
Battleship
Submarine
U-Boot
Freighter
French Cavalry
Poison Gas
Colonial Troops
Defended Trench
Armoured Car (Entente)
Supply Truck
Moroccan troops
Vickers Machine Gun
MG-8 Machine Gun
Krupps Mortar
Japanese Infantry
Russian Infantry
Stormtroopers
American Infantry
ANZAC Infantry
Canadian Infantry
FT17 Tank
Turkish Infantry
Warlord Infantry

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	19-03-2004 07:21									#232
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quote: Originally posted by fairline Much the same thing applied to whole communites in Britain. The British regimental system was such that battalions were recruited regionally, and this was amplified by the 'Pal's' battalions which were recruited from a single town. Heavy losses for a given battalion meant that a single community suffered badly.

It seems that that was a common experiance, and the only way the world's militaries learnt to move away from geographically recruited units was when a major disarster hit such a unit.

For example, while the Australian battalions in WW1 were recruited across entire states, many of the States had small populations, and units such as cavalry and engineers actually recruited their members from a small population. The slaughter of the 10th Light Horse Regiment at the Nek in Galipoli (as dramatised by the movie Galipoli) cost the state of Western Australia the sons of most of its' major land owners. After that experiance the Australian Army moved away from keeping battalions strictly state based.

	19-03-2004 07:50									#233
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About Von Richthofen:

The Baron is first created when you discover the German Fighters II advance - that gives the Albatros DII.

If he is taken out, he returns in his Fokker DRI. This is only way that variety of fighter appears.
The DRI was not a widely used plane, so I think this justifies keeping the Baron special.

I have two choices for the events-created Red Baron units.

1 - A no-attack air unit, used to hold the line against enemy fliers -
the lack of attack is to prevent the AI throwing him away needlessly...

2 - Or giving the Baron a hefty attack and defence bonus and making him the terror of the skies...
He still returns in the DRI if he is shot down.

In any case, if the DRI is destroyed, the Baron is kaput!

Gentlemen:
What option (or better idea) do you prefer for these units?

Suggestions are welcomed!

	19-03-2004 09:08									#234
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quote: The Centrals will have use of the Stormtrooper, but the Prussians/Germans will have exclusive use of the deadly Krupps super mortar!

Um, the AH fielded a number of (Skoda?) 30.5cm batteries. They were the pride of the army. In fact the Germans requested some for the Western Front. I may be mistaken, but from what I've read, 42cm Krupps were not significantly better against forts than Krupp or Skoda 30.5cms.

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quote: Originally posted by Case It seems that that was a common experiance, and the only way the world's militaries learnt to move away from geographically recruited units was when a major disarster hit such a unit.

Think so. My Great-Grandpa served in the Tzarist Army, then, and almost all the men in his village were killed at Tannenberg. Out of an entire company (all the fit men in his village), five, including himself, returned.

	19-03-2004 11:09									#236
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No tanks for the Central Powers, Curt?

Aren't we forgetting a little something called the A7V?

	19-03-2004 11:21									#237
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Dude at the greatest German ofensive of the war an AMAZING GRAND TOTAL of 18 A7Vs were fielded.Do 18 machines really worth a unit slot?

My great grandpases fought in the Macedonian struggle, the Balkan wars and in the 1919-22 war.And my granfather fought the comies during the Civil War. Completely irrelevant but couldn't resist adding my bit.

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	19-03-2004 11:35									#238
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Ahem, twenty were produced

I'm talking about for a sense of game balance.

Besides, some of you are forgetting that this isn't just WWI, but the 1920's as well. If Germany was successful, wouldn't they have produced many more than just 20? I would certainly assume so.

	19-03-2004 15:07									#239
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You have a point, rmsharpe...
The unit question is crucial.

I will ponder this at University today...
(it's better than pondering IK dynamics, I can tell you!)

If anyone else can affect a solution - let me know...

I'll be back tonight!

	19-03-2004 21:54									#240
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quote: Originally posted by rmsharpe Ahem, twenty were produced I'm talking about for a sense of game balance. Besides, some of you are forgetting that this isn't just WWI, but the 1920's as well. If Germany was successful, wouldn't they have produced many more than just 20? I would certainly assume so.

RM: The Germans only built 20 or so A7Vs because they were useless, not because they lost the war. A civ unit of a completely crap AFV of which only 20 were made seems pointless. Only the UK and France fielded tanks in any great numbers, and then at most 400-500 for any one offensive of which virtually none were operational after 3 or 4 days. WW1 was not about armoured warfare, by and large, and it would be anachronistic for this scenario to highlight the use of tanks.

The Germans have the Stormtroops and super-heavy arty to balance things anyway.