14-03-2004 23:00									#181
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Oh, there is supposed to be a difference?

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THERE MOST CERTAINLY IS!!!!!!!

Nothing against the proud ANZAC of course, Canada and Austrailia have very distinct cultures and heritage, as well as many similarities. Yet both without hesitation fought side by side with the Empire in times of war this century. The fact that each nation has their own infantry only represents the contribution each nation paid in blood in a century of warfare. We both paid a much higher price per capita than your average nation did.

	15-03-2004 01:57									#183
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Pericles, you comment is unfair.

As Sarsstock says, the Australian and Canadian armies have made their
mark in history, never flinching or backing down from the enemies.

So, both the ANZAC and Canadian troopers have great value to the
Entente in the scenario, and will have quite different unit powers.

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quote: Originally posted by Sarsstock Yet both without hesitation fought side by side with the Empire in times of war this century.

Hadn't realised that one could actually take pride in being a British lackey

	15-03-2004 02:14									#185
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I want to give the tank assault option to all powers.
As you know, the tanks will be expensive, and will be used up after an attack.
But will offer a way to perhaps smash enemy lines.

I have a choice here:

Either give the Entente and Central powers a generic tank each - Mark 1V or FT17 vs the AV7 or similar...

But I have a problem - And perhaps one man can help!

Fairline, would you be up for adding you magic to the Mark 1V tank in the units file, or perhaps a German tank?

I will replace the Japanese cavalry with it.

If you are too busy, I will give it a crack!

	15-03-2004 02:15									#186
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Got those e-mails Curt?

Hasn't someone(Nemo?) alreday done a Kraut tank?

	15-03-2004 02:25									#187
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos Got those e-mails Curt?

When did you send them?

quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos Hasn't someone(Nemo?) alreday done a Kraut tank?

A German tank was made by Alex and Nemo, but I wish to continue the theme of fairline excellence.


PS
Play nice on my thread, Pericles...

	15-03-2004 02:27									#188
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yesterday

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I'll check them!

PS
I might not need the Mark 1V after all, after a unit reshuffle, I might just use the FT17 as a generic tank.

	15-03-2004 03:59									#190
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ScottF and Jimmywax made these excelent A7V tanks

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	15-03-2004 04:29									#191
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Here's the song I had in mind. Quality is severely decreased to make the file smaller.

The Dubliners - Waltzing Matilda

Btw: it's not the waltzing matilda you know from the Aussie national anthem.

	15-03-2004 04:39									#192
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Yeah, the Pogues did a version of that song as well as the Dubliners. It's called 'and the band played waltzing matilda' BTW. I think it was written by a folk singer in the 1970's and isn't a WW1 song.

'It's a long way to tipperary' is definitely the British WW1 song

	15-03-2004 04:49									#193
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Curt: I think the MkIV is a better choice for generic tank; the FT-17 was definitely second-generation, and it would be a little like using a Panther as a generic WW2 tank IMHO. If there is a free slot (!) you could perhaps use it as an upgrade to the MkIV, with twice the speed (or range if it's a missile unit).

I would still not give the Germans a tank if I were you. The A7V was a complete disaster - so much so that only about 20 were ever made. it's pitiful ground clearance and huge weight made it virtually immobile on the battlefield, and it's great height made it unstable (some even fell over ). Personally, I'd go with the idea of stormtroopers as the German equivalent to the Entente tanks - with perhaps a tech called 'infiltration tactics' or some-such as a preq.

BTW, I have already started a MkIV today, but got side-tracked when the footy came on the telly

	15-03-2004 04:52									#194
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Yeah, well, maybe it's too melancholic. They sing about the war though.

Anyways, here's good 'ol tipperary! Maybe this on the other hand is too jolly?
It's along way to Tipperary
Again, reduced to telephone quality....

	15-03-2004 08:27									#195
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quote: Originally posted by fairline I would still not give the Germans a tank if I were you. The A7V was a complete disaster - so much so that only about 20 were ever made.

Didn't the Germans actually use more captured British tanks then tanks of their own designs?

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quote: Originally posted by fairline Yeah, the Pogues did a version of that song as well as the Dubliners. It's called 'and the band played waltzing matilda' BTW. I think it was written by a folk singer in the 1970's and isn't a WW1 song.

That's correct. The song is about Australian conscripts being sent to the Vietnam War. It has no connection whatsoever with WW1.

The reference to 'the band playing Walzing Matilda' as the conscripts board thier ship is meant to symbolise jingoism and nationalism (IMO )

	15-03-2004 08:55									#197
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jingoism?

	15-03-2004 09:04									#198
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quote: Originally posted by Case Didn't the Germans actually use more captured British tanks than tanks of their own designs?

Yes, at least during Kaiserlacht. It seemed that the General staff believed that infantry armed with the right weapons can face anything and as such never trusted the machines.

@Curt

A gameplay question: If tanks are to be used as a one shot weapon to create a ridge in enemy defences, how will Gas be used if not in the same way?

	15-03-2004 15:39									#199
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quote: Originally posted by Case That's correct. The song is about Australian conscripts being sent to the Vietnam War. It has no connection whatsoever with WW1.

Listen to the text and you'll soon understand they sing about ww1.

"...Then in 1915, me country said son: It's time to stop rambling, there's work to be done. So they give me a tin hat and they gave me a gun, and they sent me away to the war..."

"...we sailed off for Gallipoli..."

"...How well I remember that terrible day, when our blood stained the sand and the water. And how in that hell they call Sula Bay, we were butchered like lambes at the slaughter..."

"...Johnny Turk he was ready, he primed himself well. He rained us with bullets, and he shored us with shell. And in 5 minutes flat we were all blown to hell, then he blew oss home to Australia..."




Sorry for the thread jack, but I just released the beta for 'La Belle Epoque', and would love to get some beta testers

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=109306

	15-03-2004 16:11									#200
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Whoops I seem to have gotten it mixed up with an equally awful song called 'I was only 18'. I studied both songs in high school, and have spent the last 6 years supressing all memories of them

	15-03-2004 22:33									#201
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos jingoism?

You should know this, since you exhibit it at every opportunity - it's rabid nationalism and hatred of foreigners

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rabid?

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quote: Originally posted by fairline Curt: I think the MkIV is a better choice for generic tank; the FT-17 was definitely second-generation, and it would be a little like using a Panther as a generic WW2 tank IMHO. If there is a free slot (!) you could perhaps use it as an upgrade to the MkIV, with twice the speed (or range if it's a missile unit). I would still not give the Germans a tank if I were you. The A7V was a complete disaster - so much so that only about 20 were ever made. it's pitiful ground clearance and huge weight made it virtually immobile on the battlefield, and it's great height made it unstable (some even fell over ). Personally, I'd go with the idea of stormtroopers as the German equivalent to the Entente tanks - with perhaps a tech called 'infiltration tactics' or some-such as a preq. BTW, I have already started a MkIV today, but got side-tracked when the footy came on the telly

Hi there, fairline!
I had two ideas, limited by unit space.
One was to have the generic MKIV as a 'disposable' attacker - to be upgraded to the FT17 for heavier action.

This weapon would be available to all...

On the other hand is specialised units - giving the MKIV to the Entente - and the STs to the Germans.
This would leave the way open for the Centrals to develop the massive Krupps gun, as a special trench breaker.

Option two is where I am heading, methinks - The ST could be a match for the tank,
but, like all troops - not very defendable against the iron monsters!

	16-03-2004 00:10									#204
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@Pericles - the gas and Tanks will be one shot weapons!

Giving the player the chance to choose what horrid war machine to use!

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Curt I frankly agree that the German Storm Trooper instead of the tank is the most historically acurate idea.

If only you were able to use Fairline's amazing Ft-17 tank, I think that was the desegnation. The scenario you've created Curt would be just perfect for its use, however I respect the fact that this scenario is about the men, not the machines. Who afterall did nearly all of the killing and nearly all of the dying.

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	16-03-2004 03:51									#206
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quote: Originally posted by fairline but got side-tracked when the footy came on the telly

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I too agree on the "Stormtruppen instead of tank" idea,btw.

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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos porn?

	16-03-2004 08:20									#209
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They actually showed Arsenal slaughter another team (Blackpool?) on US cable tv. No ManU jerseys in sight - AFAIK, that's kinda rare over here.

Btw Curt, did they really play footy in stadia to placate the masses during WWI?

	16-03-2004 14:19									#210
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The stadium was a hold over from Dictator3 - and has been changed, along with many other items.