06-04-2004 19:45									#271
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when is it useful to use berzerk? After all you can't control the character anymore.. In most cases he just wanders around and gets himself killed when I berzerk!

	06-04-2004 19:47									#272
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Useful against creatures that use charm spells. Send Minsc off on his own... well, you can work the rest out

-Jam

	06-04-2004 20:02									#273
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Does he already come with beserk ability?
Or does he get it at a later level than I am?

	06-04-2004 20:04									#274
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Already comes with it, doesn't he? Its on the "special ablities star" on the far right.

-Jam

	06-04-2004 20:06									#275
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Erm, don't know - never used his special abilities.
I'm off to see what other people have got too!
Well, I already know my character has got CLW.

	06-04-2004 21:19									#276
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski He's a strange one, is Minsc. No points in two-handed weapon, so I don't know where this idea of him as a bash-with-big-sword guy comes from

Very few NPCs have any points in a weapon style, since that is usually left down to the player. However he has 2 points in two handed sword.

Korgan, Keldorn, Valygar, etc. none of these have points in any (except for Valygar's 2 in dual wield as the Ranger special).

	07-04-2004 01:43									#277
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what's DuHM?

	07-04-2004 04:03									#278
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Draw Upon Holy Might - boosts STR, DEX and CON and is a 2nd level Clerical spell.

Standard buffing spell.

-Jam

	07-04-2004 05:05									#279
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ahh okay. I didn't catch the acronym. I use it occasionally, maybe I should use it more.

	07-04-2004 13:04									#280
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Use it before every fight. What other 2nd level spells are that good?

-Jam

	07-04-2004 18:20									#281
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DuHM is great, but it's only on one character, and using it before every fight is a bit much IMHO. I use it before major fights, etc, but it only works on the caster,. For a fighter/cleric, that's brilliant, but for a normal cleric, it's nott hat much of a help, IMHO.

	07-04-2004 20:10									#282
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Everyone benefits from huge STR, DEX and CON scores in a fight

-Jam

	07-04-2004 21:40									#283
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True, but they're of much less use to a one attack Cleric who can't use a bow or a sword. It's not that much of a bonus. That to a fighter, sure, would be great, but the Cleric hardly gets any hits in anyway, so the difference will be negligable, IMHO.

	09-04-2004 19:48									#284
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue For a fighter/cleric, that's brilliant, but for a normal cleric, it's nott hat much of a help, IMHO.

That's right. Except if your normal cleric is used as a fighter.
In my current game - Granek's Angels - (Granek: that's me; Angels: I take only the girls with me ) I was in De'Arnise keep. Mazzy was not yet in the group, so Vicconia has been promoted fighter ad-interim.
Equiped with the girdle of Giant strength and the Flail of Ages, she kicked asses.
But against Torgal and his lieutenant, this was not enough.
Now, DuHM on a 19Str, 19Dex baby and the sweetheart turned into a 22 Str, 22 Dext fury (AC -9).
I cast web and entangle in the room and sent Viccy (65% mag. res.) on the dance floor.
She invited the boys and the orchestra played them a little sonate for string intruments (bows and slings).

	09-04-2004 22:51									#285
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She may hit hard, but as a pure Cleric, only once a round

-Jam

	09-04-2004 23:10									#286
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Which is the problem. Love the RP of the angels though. I want to try a female PC, having a lesbian romance with Chloe, and an all female party. That would be fun

However atm, my Tutu party has just hit the first Cloakwood map. They're tooled up, having now bought everything I'll want to in the game, and they rock. Minsc and my PC have ACs of -4, neither using shields. My PC is a level 5 Ranger, does 5/2 hits per round, with THACO's of 10 and 13, with a +2 Warhammer and a +1 Mace, and get's a bonus +6 to damage each hit (strength plus bracers), meaning he does between 25.5 and 35 damage per round, when he hits, which ismost of the time. For BGI, that's insanely powerful Plus the fact that he has 75% stealth and a speed factor of 2, means he can creep up behind someone, and often get two hits in before they have a chance to retaliate. He rarely get's harmed.

Having 3 members of my party able to hide in the shadows is quite new, but it does mean if I want to spend the time (which I usually don't) I can do most fights without the opponent having a chance to hit me. Especially with Khalid having a THACO of 9 with his bow, 5/2 attacks and +3 to damage. It may just be me, but when he's fighting quite a few small creatures, he looks kinda like Legolas from LotR

Has anyone tried playign through BG with a LotR character set? A dwarfen fighter, an elven archer, a human mage, a human ranger and a couple of halfling thieves. Could be a laugh

	09-04-2004 23:19									#287
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Hehe maybe Jamski's next run through.

	10-04-2004 14:27									#288
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Gandalf is definteily a fighter/cleric/mage though, and Frodo a fighter/thief... hmmm, would work well in IWD1, I guess

-Jam

	10-04-2004 14:31									#289
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Why is Gandalf a cleric?

	10-04-2004 15:41									#290
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I don't think Gandalf is. He's a high level mage, so is quite good with a staff, but I wouldn't call him a fighter.

Also, with the two hobbits, I was thinking of Merrin and Pippin, when Frodo and Sam have gone off, and Boromir is dead. That way it's 6. However Pippin (I think) could well be a fighter thief, in that he fights alongside the shieldmaiden in RotK. However Merrin does seem like complete wuss.

	10-04-2004 16:01									#291
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Gandalf could have a few levels of fighter, but mostly I agree he should be mage, with no cleric levels. Also I don't think any of the hobbits should have fighter levels.

	10-04-2004 16:14									#292
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I wouldn't give him fighter levels. That implies either he was once a fighter and not a mage (is that true?) or that he is still gaining in fighter levels. The latter certainly isn't true - he's the White Wizard. A sorceror maybe, but either that or mage.

	10-04-2004 16:52									#293
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue I wouldn't give him fighter levels. That implies either he was once a fighter and not a mage (is that true?)

The problem is that in Tolkein's world, there isn't that much of a difference between the two. Gandalf's got a mean sword, and as for being a cleric? well, he's a demi-god and quite capable of what are considered clerical abilities in D&D.


I agree that the hobbits would be straight thieves, however. Maybe dual-classed into fighters later on, after their adventure.

	10-04-2004 18:24									#294
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quote: Why is Gandalf a cleric?

He is clearly sent by the gods of Middle Earth, and is perhaps a minor god himself.

quote: He's a high level mage, so is quite good with a staff, but I wouldn't call him a fighter.

He uses a sword thoughout The Hobbit and LOTR. Very well too.

I'm going for a 2nd edition Fighter/mage/cleric with a personal weapon (longsword) that is allowed for clerics to use.

Hobbits... thiefs or fighter/theifs depending on which Hobbit

-Jam

	10-04-2004 22:52									#295
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I've never understood why people talk about theifs instead of thiefs when talking about fantasy

	10-04-2004 23:24									#296
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I think just a typo.

	11-04-2004 01:23									#297
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Nono, hardcore fantasy freiks do it all the time

	11-04-2004 03:43									#298
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You've been reading too many books with bad paintings on the covers again, haven't you?



-Jam

	11-04-2004 04:18									#299
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski He is clearly sent by the gods of Middle Earth, and is perhaps a minor god himself.

As is the PC. A demi-God, sent by the Gods. However he isn't necessarily a cleric. Being sent by a God does not make one a cleric. Also, Cleric's can't use longswords. A low level fighter - high level mage maybe, but I thought Elminster was supposed to be Gandalf-like?

	11-04-2004 04:22									#300
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Elminister is a bloody good fighter and a very bloody good mage, and has some clerical levels.

He is sooooo overpowered

-Jam