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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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Originally posted by Drogue
I don't think Gandalf is. He's a high level mage, so is quite good with a staff, but I wouldn't call him a fighter.
Also, with the two hobbits, I was thinking of Merrin and Pippin, when Frodo and Sam have gone off, and Boromir is dead. That way it's 6. However Pippin (I think) could well be a fighter thief, in that he fights alongside the shieldmaiden in RotK. However Merrin does seem like complete wuss. |
Merry (short for Meriadoc) Brandybuck is the one who fights beside Eowyn in Return of the King. Arguably, based on the book (the movies are NOT Tolkien canon) his attack on the witch-king is more or less a backstab - the witch king is facing Eowyn, about to kill her, and Merry strikes him from behind - so that would be compatible with thief skills. He is nonetheless honored as a warrior, since thief has more conventional meaning in Tolkien than in DnD.
Pippin (Peregrin) Took apparently fights honorably enough in the ranks of Gondor in the last battle at the gates of Mordor, but with no particular effect. Given his sneaking around to get the palantir, id say hes more thief like than Merry, though Merry does pretty well acting stealthily in the episode in Bree.
All in all Id say make Merry fighter/thief and make Pippin pure thief.
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lord of the mark
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FUKCOV - Former United Kingdom Colony of Virginia
Dec 2000
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Originally posted by Jamski
He is clearly sent by the gods of Middle Earth, and is perhaps a minor god himself.
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To clarify. While in LOTR the Valar seem to be gods, the Silm to some extent reconciles the "paganness" of LOTR with Tolkiens own (Christian) monotheism. The One, the creator of the world and of men and elves, is Iluvatar (Il = El = God in Hebrew, Vatar = Father). The Valar emerged directly out of the thought of Iluvatar, rather than being "created" one of the greatest of the Valar, Menelkor, rebelled and became Morgoth. Thus the Valar seem like the top rank of angels in Judeo-Christian mythology, and the fundamental mythos is that described in Miltons Paradise Lost.
Gandalf is a Maia, one of the beings created from Iluvatars thought who were lower than the Valar - thus parallel to the lower ranks of angels.
All of the wizards (Istari in Elvish) are Maia - as also are the Balrogs, and also Sauron himself (he started as number 2 to Morgoth) The mother of Luthien Tinuviel was a Maia who married an Elvish king, so there is Maia "blood" in both Elrond and Aragorn. (note parallels to Greek and Germanic mythology, where heroes are of partial divine blood)
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
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My Tutu party finally got to BGII, after defeating Sarevok a little too easily (did it 4 times, because the converstion to normal BGII was annoying). PC now dualled to a Cleric, and has just got his Ranger skills back. He has 19 STR, 19 DEX, 19 CON and 19 WIS, and can cast DuHM, so he pretty much rocks. Have done circus and slaver stockade, and now have Kelsey in my party too  Party now consists of PC, Minsc, Jaheira (romance), Yoshi and Kelsey - Keldorn to come later, just before doing Unseeing Eye and Windspear Hills quests.
By the end of the game, my PC will have a CHA of 23 (Sensiate Amulet, Plate of Balduran, Nymph Clock, Ring of Human Influence) and a STR of 25 (Chrom Fayer)  This is going to be fun
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duke o' york
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* duke is highly amused at such blatant abuse  
I've been asked to go bandit hunting by the lady in Beregost, but am not going to bother just yet. I may troll through the woods between Beregost and the Friendly Arms just to get some money together, but I'm going to go east and west first, to visit the coastline and the mountains to the east (I think that there are mountains there - anyway, whatever stops you going off the edge of the map. I went around the Temple to the east of Beregost, and found tonnes of wolves, including some cool Vampire wolves that gave me loads of experience. I also met this wizard who was creating jellies, but couldn't kill them.  How can I damage jellies? I did get hold of a wand of summoning, which is loads of fun. Trouble is, I always get wolves. Will the summoned monster depend upon the area you're in? If I'm in a forest then could I get skellingtons or something else? I have to find a dungeon. Ulcaster School sounds promising, if only to find out what other kinds of monster I can summon to take all the blows while my party stands back to take them out with arrows and slings.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:34
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Originally posted by duke o' york
I've been asked to go bandit hunting by the lady in Beregost, but am not going to bother just yet. I may troll through the woods between Beregost and the Friendly Arms just to get some money together, but I'm going to go east and west first, to visit the coastline and the mountains to the east |
You won't need to. The bandits are part of the story, since you've done the Nashkel mines. You've probably been told the details by now...?
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Originally posted by duke o' york
I also met this wizard who was creating jellies, but couldn't kill them. How can I damage jellies? |
Those ones? Magical melee weapons IIRC. Others are easier, but those are nasty. In the area where you exit the Nashkel mines, with the 3 tombs - the jellies that poison and slow you?
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Originally posted by duke o' york
I did get hold of a wand of summoning, which is loads of fun. Trouble is, I always get wolves. Will the summoned monster depend upon the area you're in? |
IIRC it's random 3 HD monsters. Wolves, gibberlings, kobolds, knolls, that kind of thing. Wolves are common though.
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Originally posted by duke o' york
Ulcaster School sounds promising, if only to find out what other kinds of monster I can summon to take all the blows while my party stands back to take them out with arrows and slings. |
Why not have a tank, a party member with very low AC, very high HP, and a melee weapon? Put him in front of your party, shoot arrows while the monsters come towards you, and then when they're almost upon you, have him attack. With a high AC, he won't get hit much, and he'll be the only one, with enough HP to easily survive. Minsc can do well for this, even Khalid can do (although I prefer him as a bowman), Kagain is made for it, and a PC fighter can do it too.
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:34
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BTW: My Tutu-BGII party now has 5 members, PC Ranger/Cleric, Jaheira, Minsc, Yoshi and Kelsey, and is about to attack Bodhi, to get the Mace of Disruption Haven't been out of Athkatla yet, but have done most quests there, including Thieves Guild, all but the Planar Prison of the Playhouse, and the Unseeing Eye quest. I want to do the Keep and Trademeet before getting Keldorn and doing the Unseeing Eye. Then off to Windspear and Umar Hills, if I can be bothered to do them yet.
My PC now dual wields The Sleeper (Morning Star+2, can knock unconscious) and Wyvern's Tail (MS+2, can poison), and rocks majorly. I'd also forgotten how good Sorcerors are, as Kelsey is reminding me.
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