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don't worry, con, you are at the right side of the ocean, just some 500 km from my location

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Who can make it for a fact?

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I'm afraid I can't. Most other days are fine, it's just bad luck I am at the OTHER lab (with no Net access) on Friday.

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I can make it there, although it may just be me

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MRex is here, #c3c_isdg_embassy channel on poly IRC

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My thoughts after reading the CDG chat of today:

1) We should STRONGLY support them building the Great Lighthouse. It will tie up production in one of their cities, making them even more easy to conquer Most likely they won't finish it before we attack, however, if they do we may be able to conquer it. Worst case, the wonder is destroyed and GWT/BAT cannot have it either.

We may also want to stealth build this wonder and switch to it later on after the war with CDG.

2) I see that we've given them CB. Good. They do not need to know about our other research at this time. They do not appear to be wise to our current plans.

3) Agree on their proposed trade of Mapmaking and Literature for Mysticism, HBR, and Polytheism. Sounds good.

4) to plans for a future exchange of wines for furs. That trade road will make an excellent route for our future invasion.

--Togas

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IMO, the chat went very well. No messups or leaked information, and we have two trades in progress

This is going to be good

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CDG mentioned they didn't have any workers available.. if they want us to build the road, which i don't really mind as it will bring our workers very close to their borders so we can spot their sentries, we should really make sure we get cash for all roads we build longer than half way down.

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MRex is in chat. And he's not very happy with our lack of communication with CDG.

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Chat posted. Short, but bad.

It's somewhat ironic that we plan to stall CDG, then do it unintentionally. I'm just as guilty as every other person on the team for not remembering we need to get back to them eventually, but I'm sorry... isn't this what we're supposed to have a FAM team for?

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Agree with Kloreep. I was in the other room with him. The way things are going, I am beginning to wonder if they are looking at Archer Rushing us. No third city and cheep barracks. Makes me wonder. Of course our military advisor doesnt show anything.....

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I agree with GK, Archer rushing may be in the cards, especially if they're feeling choked with all our western expansion.

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There are no indications of an archer rush. We would first see an indication from the mil advisor (right now they're weak to us) and secondly, they would not be hounding us about not getting back to them. They would keep a low profile. Their hounding us and making vague accusations is a sign of worry ... worrying that reveals that they see themselves in a weaker position to us and they fear we may exploit it.

However, if they do feel choked by our expansion, they may rush to expand into areas that we want and if they are beaten there, they may change course and take on a more militeristic path. We just need to watch for the signs (excessive scouts, unusual tensions, veiled threats, and a spike in their mil strength).

However, their production sucks and their current threat to us is very limited. We are in a war-builder mode right now, which is the proper stance for whatever may come, and we should not deviate from our plans.

Uber already has sentries along the eastern border. We need to continue our Hoplite Production and our expansion, and we need to protect our border cities. Hypnos must remain in full military production (with an occasional worker to deal with pop), Apolyton should alternate, and all of our other cities should be in a military build-up mode as well.

--Togas

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conmcb, as our new Foreign Affairs Minister, you need to make this a priority.

Please contact MRex, introduce yourself as THE NEW F.A.M. and make apologies for the old regime's failures etc etc.

They have our blessing on the Great Lighthouse. We will not compete with them over it.

If they propose any sort of fair tech trade, accept it.

If they push for settlement agreements or border agreements, soft-talk them down and request that they send us a proposal so that our team can have a chance to debate and poll it. Ask them to give us 7 days to discuss it and come back to them with a decision.

Review the threads (especially the PAL thread) about what we can and cannot tell them. Get their trust back, to some degree. Or at least let them come to the conclusion that our lack of contact was based on negligence, not any sort of intentional decision on our part.

Arrange for a chat if they'd like. Just give us some warning so a few of us can make an appearance.

--Togas

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Aw Crap

Im not online for a couple of evenings and all heck breaks loose.

Ill look into this and at least get an email to MREX.

Let em try an archer rush with just two cities.

We are strong to them right now. And can continue to remain so.

If they were stupid enough to attack, then we could get out of the Republic deal

But Ill do what I can to smooth things out.

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If they propose any sort of fair tech trade, accept it.


They have proposed one, which we have yet to get back to them on.

From the chat two weeks ago:

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[18:35] [MRex] As you know, we will need Map Making in order for the Lighthouse. We are seriously considering researching that following Code of Laws. After that we can research Liturature, the final tech in the middle bracket of the tech tree. In exchange for those two technologies, we would ask you to give us Mysticism, Horseback Riding, and Polytheism. In short, we give you the middle branch of the tech tree, you give us the bottom branch of th


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Review the threads (especially the PAL thread) about what we can and cannot tell them. Get their trust back, to some degree. Or at least let them come to the conclusion that our lack of contact was based on negligence, not any sort of intentional decision on our part.


Considering it's true, hopefully that won't be too hard.

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Ok this is my proposed reply:

(ill leave this up here for about 6 hours, then Ill need to send it because I need to drive to Chicago this evening)

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Greeting to the peoples of CDG!

MRex

I’m conmcb25, the newly elected Foreign Affairs Minister for Apolyton. Hopefully you will remember me; we briefly played in a Crimson PBEM game at CDG. I used to pass the save to you. Anyway, I have previously been one of the first consuls for Apolyton in this game and since I left that office (due to RL time constraints), I have been sort of busy with RL.

Now that the introductions are over, I want to offer your team our sincere apologizes. Like Kloreep told you in the last chat a couple of days ago, our Foreign Affairs Ministry (FAM) has quite frankly sucked. I’ll be working to improve that. The last week of May and first week of June, I was in Romania working a conference for the US military. I got back home on Saturday June 5th, and then quite un-expectantly had to go to Chicago for a week when my father in law was tragically killed in a freak car accident. So I was pretty much out of circulation for a three week period. And now of course I’m swamped at work and home trying to catch up after being gone for three weeks! Now I agree someone else should have been able to step up to the plate and continue discussions with you but Vander disappeared for finals in the same time frame, and has since reappeared and told us he can no longer do the ambassador duties. I’m taking time to explain this all because really and truly getting back to your team has not been a deliberate act on our part. I will try and provide you with timely feedback in the future until I can find a suitable replacement for Vander. So again our sincere apologizes for being less than responsive to your issues.


To answer some of your questions:

1.On the Great Lighthouse. As far as Apolyton is concerned, go For It . We think your plan is a wonderful idea, and we have no issues with you building that wonder.

2.On the tech trade we agree in principle, and as we get closer to wrapping up the Philo/ COL/ Republic deal we will have no problem continuing to discuss cooperating in research. I believe right now we have some time for our team to discuss this issue. Ill make sure some polls get set up in our forums.

3.On the border. Ill be honest, our Minister of the Interior (MOI) is a very competent individual. BUT he is an engineer and works in the construction industry. Since it is obviously summer right now He is extremely busy and quite frankly we have not even got close to discussing a border. We have been extremely focused on getting a core down and/ or trying to get our most productive tiles working. With that being said we are willing to discuss a border. If you want please provide us with what your thoughts are on that issue, our team will discuss and then we can chat about it.

To wrap this up, today is Saturday the 19th. I have a bunch of yard-work to do today and then have to drive to Chicago tonight for Father’s Day. (My wife and three kids stayed up there this last week). So I will unavailable for chat this weekend. I can however chat sometime next week. Let me check my schedule and I will get back to you. Usually I can not chat until after 2100 CDT.

Hopefully this answers most of your immediate questions. During the day if you need to get a hold of me the best way is via email:

Work: steve.knapowski@navy.mil
Home: conmcb25@bluemarble.net

It would be best to use both email addresses.

And again our sincere apologizes for not being responsive, I will do my best to try and improve our communications in the future.

Sincerely
Conmcb25
Foreign Affairs Minister for Apolyton in the C3C ISDG


Comment and let me know what you think.

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I’m taking time to explain this all because really and truly getting back to your team has not been a deliberate act on our part.


I think another not needs to be added.

quote:
I’m taking time to explain this all because really and truly not getting back to your team has not been a deliberate act on our part.


Otherwise it looks good.

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Looks good. Send it.

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Hell yes. If they want to build the GL, or any other wonder, tell 'em to go for it. That just ties up shields they could otherwise be better investing, and maybe gives us and PAL some REAL war spoils.

If they want to know why we're letting them go for those wonders then we'd just tell them that our team strategy is to get some decent land first, wonders later.

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Tell them that, with the GL, our teams could more easily gang up on those across the sea...

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MRex is in chat. He asked whether we had traded Writing to PAL. I told him I didn't think so but that I would look, actually went searching for our policy, and found the discussion on page 5. So, we have now told CDG we did not trade Writing to PAL. We should be sure to tell PAL that.

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He's now pointed out our research on philo is very slow and asked about our GNP. I responded I didn't have the save up.

I really should stop hanging around the embassy channel.

I'm going to go away as soon as I think it would be unsuspicious to do so.

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Chat posted.

I'm going to stop joining the embassy channel; I can't think of excuses fast enough to deal with MRex.

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re: MRex

Well, I am certainly not suprised if he suspects that something is up. He was a refugee to CFC in the PTW game and he wasn't an idiot (to put it one way). I wouldn't be shocked to see CDG start to build up in the next couple of weeks. We're going to need some savvy diplomacy to smooth this over. I read somewhere here that we can blame barbs for a lack of money; a mix of theft and buildup for defense units.

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Theft?

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Well, when a barb enters an undefended city, it will either destroy pop, destroy the current production, or take gold out of the treasury.

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I know that. But Vander said barbs, and theft.

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Con? Have you sent them a message?

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I went ahead and sent con's message myself. I did explain that he was MIA as well.

 
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