15-04-2004 17:12									#121
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway ...and all the text files, which modmakers have been distributing since time immemorial.

The same could apply here possibly but as I said there won't be a problem probably. Everything that could increase sales instead of decreasing them, nomatter if it would violate copyright and trademarks should not rise legal actions. But we should be aware that using the name "Call To Power" and any graphic, modified or unmodified from the original CD could be subject to copyright issues.

	15-04-2004 17:18									#122
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway I would hope that all of this stuff falls under "New Game Materials", upon the distribution of which the EULA places several restrictions: not a stand-alone product, not illegally exporting, not for profit and most importantly: quote: · New Game Materials must not contain any illegal, obscene or defamatory materials, materials that infringe rights of privacy and publicity of third parties or (without appropriate irrevocable licenses granted specifically for that purpose) any trademarks, copyright-protected works or other properties of third parties. It specifically says trademarks, copyright-protected of third parties, so distributing Activisions should be OK.

In the first paragraph the EULA specifies what should be bound to the EULA:

quote: IMPORTANT - READ CAREFULLY: USE OF THE CALL TO POWER II SOURCE CODE IS SUBJECT TO THE SOURCE CODE SOFTWARE END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT TERMS SET FORTH BELOW. “CALL TO POWER II SOURCE CODE” INCLUDES THE SOFTWARE INCLUDED WITH THIS AGREEMENT, THE ASSOCIATED MEDIA, ANY PRINTED MATERIALS, AND ANY ON-LINE OR ELECTRONIC DOCUMENTATION, AND ANY AND ALL COPIES OF SUCH SOFTWARE AND MATERIALS. BY INSTALLING, AND/OR USING THE CALL TO POWER II SOURCE CODE, YOU ACCEPT THE TERMS OF THIS LICENSE WITH ACTIVISION PUBLISHING, INC. (“ACTIVISION”).

There is no reference to the name of the game "Call To Power". Unless of cource the name is included in the printed materials and electronic documentation, and the graphics in the associated media.

They always do licence agreement so criptic

	15-04-2004 17:58									#123
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I'll load up paint and make us a new one then, just in case

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	15-04-2004 18:11									#124
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The baton has been passed. Awesome!

	15-04-2004 18:26									#127
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glad im really helping around here atlast

I could always change the word 'power' to 'thingie' if its needed

	15-04-2004 19:13									#128
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A thingie trawing, I am pressed

	15-04-2004 19:15									#129
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Nice one, CoT

The entire idea behind releasing the source code was so that we could improve the existing game. That's obviously not possible if Activision were to sue us over reusing the current game's graphics or name or text files or whatever. So we really don't have to worry about things like that -- if Activision was out to screw us they wouldn't have released the code in the first place.

Although it's indeed good for us to be aware of any copyrights and trademarks involved in the products we create: not just Activision's but also think of all the graphics and stuff some of the mods ripped from other games -- we should be much more careful in doing that for the Source Code Project.

	15-04-2004 19:17									#130
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quote: Originally posted by J Bytheway I would hope that all of this stuff falls under "New Game Materials", upon the distribution of which the EULA places several restrictions: not a stand-alone product, not illegally exporting, not for profit and most importantly: quote: · New Game Materials must not contain any illegal, obscene or defamatory materials, materials that infringe rights of privacy and publicity of third parties or (without appropriate irrevocable licenses granted specifically for that purpose) any trademarks, copyright-protected works or other properties of third parties. It specifically says trademarks, copyright-protected of third parties, so distributing Activision's should be OK.

So no stealing graphics from Civ3 or any other game!

	15-04-2004 19:23									#131
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not to be include in the source release there not stopping us from converting them just don't package or refer to any in the source release.

	15-04-2004 19:41									#132
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I dont know - i think if we're taking content from other sources that might be protected by copyrights, it should not be included in part of the source code/Apolyton CTP2 release.

Keep it in the mods if need be - that way you'll only get one bunch of lawyers on your ass, and not Activisions too

Or if you like i could remake CTP2 from scratch with all origional content, of about the same quality as my title screen

	15-04-2004 20:15									#133
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quote: Originally posted by The Big Mc not to be include in the source release there not stopping us from converting them just don't package or refer to any in the source release.

Why would we need to steal copyrighted/trademarked graphics/other content from other games/sources? Even in mods/scenarios. Doing so only invites the owner of the content to sue us individually, this site and its owners for distributing the material illegally, and Activision for allowing the content to be included in their product. Activision is then likely to sue us and Apolyton for failing to comply with the EULA and for doing all of those things that the EULA says we cannot do, but Activision said they would ignore.

	15-04-2004 20:38									#134
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True - there's enough of us with Photoshop etc to make new graphics where needed. I dont like the idea of nicking other people's work either - still if it came with CTP2 it should be ok under the agreement to modify it, as long as it will always need the origional CD to play from.

	15-04-2004 21:46									#135
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Great work on the latest screenie, One Present!

And ice attempt CoT .

	15-04-2004 22:43									#136
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quote: Originally posted by Gilgamensch It looks fantastic, not only great One suggestion, which might be worth a try: Changing the "Apolyton edition" to a style which looks more like burned into the wood? Only a suggestion

I agree, this might look very good.

Excellent work even without any other changes

	15-04-2004 23:47									#137
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It looks burned wood now, doesn't it?

	16-04-2004 01:52									#138
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus The entire idea behind releasing the source code was so that we could improve the existing game. That's obviously not possible if Activision were to sue us over reusing the current game's graphics or name or text files or whatever. So we really don't have to worry about things like that -- if Activision was out to screw us they wouldn't have released the code in the first place.

Be assured that if they find reusing the name and art annoying first they will kindly ask to remove them or pay for their use before they proceed in any form of legal actions
Besides they released the source code and not the artwork so we can improve the code and fix the bugs and not modify the artistic material and despite that wouldn't probably hurt at all - especially the note that the material is not supported by Activision - it doesn't negate the fact that the artwork is probably not part of the EULA thus subject to copyright issues. Distributing along with the modified source code parts of the artwork that was not released to public could be illegal.

Now you simply add to what I have already stated, that propably there won't be any problem at all with that. All I say is that we should be aware that using the same name and art could be illegal

Besides it would make it more interesting and legal to use our own artwork for the graphics that must be modified to reflect code changes, we honor the agreement and we don't violate copyrights and proprietary material. And if the artwork is good, who knows, we could get hired from a gaming company

	16-04-2004 01:54									#139
	Suffering from ads?

BTW, nice artwork CoT

	16-04-2004 01:58									#140
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quote: Originally posted by Keygen And if the artwork is good, who knows, we could get hired from a gaming company

yes but who wants modders.

	16-04-2004 02:06									#141
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Well, there are some gems among the modders if you ask me

	16-04-2004 12:02									#142
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quote: Originally posted by OnePresent It looks burned wood now, doesn't it?

Maybe a bit more, (haven't got an example) so that there is more '3D'-depth and the 'borders' looking more burned.

	17-04-2004 05:42									#143
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While working on that part of the graphic I looked at both darker and lighter variations. What was shown is what looked best IMO. Darker looked too black and hid the wood textures, lighter made the type harder to read. Anyway, the final file has been passed on to the proper authorities. If there is enough complaining I'll post variations.

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	17-04-2004 14:20									#144
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I like it as it is - excellent work for something aparently knocked up in short order! I'm impressed

Now if its possible - would you be able to add a 'load Mod' button to the vacant button space on the right? Is this a good idea? I'm just thinking for newbies the whole using Modswapper(which has been an excellent utility) thing could be removed with a direct button on the menu screen? thoughts?

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	17-04-2004 14:51									#145
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Well that’s for a different thread there is no graphical changes need to do that but it's a good idea.

	17-04-2004 15:41									#146
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Gigl,
Will you give the guy a rest?

There should not be a need for a load mod option, as from now on mods will be able to use the scenario structure, as they were always intended to. In other words, once the existing mods have been 'moved back', you can start a mod the same way you start a scenario.

	17-04-2004 15:50									#147
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Ah ok i was hoping as much....still what the heck can we put for that button space?[I'll start a new thread for this - so just think for awhile untill i post it ]

	17-04-2004 18:52									#148
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Started messing around with the buttons and here's a screenshot of what the final result looks like in the game.

Note that the new buttons don't actually work yet, some changes in the source code will probably be needed for that (as Peter noted in the other thread), I'll see if I can get around to that later this week, if noone beats me to it.

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	17-04-2004 18:59									#149
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Here are the files in case someone wants to mess with them: upsg001.tga overwrites the default image, spnewgame.ldl places the buttons and ldl_str.txt (english version) makes the text non-capitalized.

MAKE BACKUPS of your old files first, 'cuz the new buttons don't work yet as I noted, so you won't actually be able to start or load SP games with this setup.

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	17-04-2004 20:48									#150
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quote: Originally posted by OnePresent While working on that part of the graphic I looked at both darker and lighter variations. What was shown is what looked best IMO. Darker looked too black and hid the wood textures, lighter made the type harder to read. Anyway, the final file has been passed on to the proper authorities. If there is enough complaining I'll post variations.

quote: Originally posted by Locutus Gilg, Will you give the guy a rest?

mumble mumble .............