31-05-2004 22:42									#361
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There is no science in SW-any science is the result of countless wasted hours by ubernerds.

The creators os ST were nerds, so thay installed some science, but not too much-the more detailed things are the result of other ubernerds.

	31-05-2004 22:42									#362
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove ......and these pieces of literature were written by whom? They're about as official as fanfic posted on the internet.

Dr. Strangelove....

LFL considers EU literature to be official, that is , "That's the way SW is unless directly contradicted by the films". This is further enforced in that LFL strives to keep continuity with literature, whereas, say, Paramount yets every yokel with a wordprocessor write a book, regardless of conflicts with other books and shows/movies.

They are official, as official as they can get.

	31-05-2004 22:45									#363
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Show me something from the movies (nerdy websites or books don't count they aren't canon) that shows they aren't what they say they are turbolasers.

1) they don't propogate at the speed of light

2) they have a visible component

This PROVES that they AREN'T lasers.

	31-05-2004 22:48									#364
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All Lasers in Sci Fi have visible components-just like all sci fi has noise in a vacuum.

	31-05-2004 22:48									#365
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar This is further enforced in that LFL strives to keep continuity with literature

Bullshit! I suppose that's illustrated by the wonderful way they butchered the origin of Boba Fett.

	31-05-2004 22:49									#366
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...And the subsequent repair job they did with the Jango Fett comics? Nya nya nya!

	31-05-2004 22:50									#367
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quote: Originally posted by Pax The last 2 episodes involved a chig coming aboard to negotiate a peace. I'll tell you what happened if you don't plan on seeing it.

Those episodes must have been cut from my TV station. Is Space Above and Beyond scheduled to come back on a major station any time soon? If not you might as well tell me what happened.

Do you have any idea how many episodes after the one in which the Chigs deployed their stealth fighters and the marines landed on the Chig moon there were?

	31-05-2004 22:51									#368
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quote: Originally posted by GePap All Lasers in Sci Fi have visible components-just like all sci fi has noise in a vacuum.

So? It's not a laser. "Laser" is a holdover term. Want more evidence? The Death Star superlaser was form from eight feeder beams - if they'd been "lasers" they would have passed right through each other, not built up and then fired forward.

	31-05-2004 22:52									#369
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quote: Originally posted by GePap All Lasers in Sci Fi have visible components-just like all sci fi has noise in a vacuum.

Actually, it was stated in ANH radio drama that the sounds you here are approximations the tactical computer provides.

This was when the TIEs were attacking thn Falcon, and Han told Luke that he would be hearing sounds provided by the tac computers.

Bizatch!

	31-05-2004 22:54									#370
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Dr. Strangelove.... LFL considers EU literature to be official, that is , "That's the way SW is unless directly contradicted by the films". This is further enforced in that LFL strives to keep continuity with literature, whereas, say, Paramount yets every yokel with a wordprocessor write a book, regardless of conflicts with other books and shows/movies. They are official, as official as they can get.

The EU? What the heck? Lucas has some sort of association with the European Union? I never took you for a commie Lonestar. My advice to you is to get the heck across the Mexican border as quickly as possible, 'cause I've already notified the Texas Rangers.

	31-05-2004 22:55									#371
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar ...And the subsequent repair job they did with the Jango Fett comics? Nya nya nya!

Which is still a butchered version of the origin given before Episode II. BOOYAH!

	31-05-2004 22:57									#372
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove The EU? What the heck? Lucas has some sort of association with the European Union? I never took you for a commie Lonestar. My advice to you is to get the heck across the Mexican border as quickly as possible, 'cause I've already notified the Texas Rangers.

Expanded Universe. The (mostly, much more so than any ST series) internally consistant set of novels following ROTJ.

	31-05-2004 22:59									#373
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove The EU? What the heck? Lucas has some sort of association with the European Union? I never took you for a commie Lonestar. My advice to you is to get the heck across the Mexican border as quickly as possible, 'cause I've already notified the Texas Rangers.

The Expanded Universe...books/comics.

Smartass.

	31-05-2004 23:00									#374
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc Which is still a butchered version of the origin given before Episode II. BOOYAH!

Bah! It 'splained Mereel and everything. Check and Mate!

	31-05-2004 23:00									#375
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Actually, it was stated in ANH radio drama that the sounds you here are approximations the tactical computer provides. This was when the TIEs were attacking thn Falcon, and Han told Luke that he would be hearing sounds provided by the tac computers. Bizatch!

But the lasers make the same sound and the same light streak whether viewed from a gunners station on the Falcon or from a portal of an imperial ship, or from the ground. Is everyone in the SW universe equipped with the same tactical computer? Even the ewoks? Gosh, what a lucrative contract that must be.

	31-05-2004 23:01									#376
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Well, that's what happens after several millienia of defense contractor consolidation.

	31-05-2004 23:03									#377
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove But the lasers make the same sound and the same light streak whether viewed from a gunners station on the Falcon or from a portal of an imperial ship, or from the ground. Is everyone in the SW universe equipped with the same tactical computer? Even the ewoks? Gosh, what a lucrative contract that must be.

No, the sound systems on the ship are supposed to sound like what the weapons actually sound like on the ground.

	31-05-2004 23:05									#378
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Bah! It 'splained Mereel and everything. Check and Mate!

What the hell are you talking about?

	31-05-2004 23:05									#379
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Funny, I seem to recall that from the very beginning the SW book series were written without any input from Lucas Films, nor did they exert any editorial control so long as the publishers ponied up their royalties. That comes from an interview with Lucas back in the early 1980s.

Paramont OTOH has always been psychotically possessive about anything to do with Star Trek, down to the point of shutting down fan websites just on GP.

	31-05-2004 23:07									#380
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc What the hell are you talking about?

I'm not sure. I've had a few.

	31-05-2004 23:07									#381
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich No, the sound systems on the ship are supposed to sound like what the weapons actually sound like on the ground.

But a laser beam doesn't make any sound on the ground either!

	31-05-2004 23:07									#382
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Ah, yes, now I remember, Jester Mereel was the man who adopted Jango Fett, and after Jango died Boba used that as an alias for awhile.

I think.

	31-05-2004 23:09									#383
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove Funny, I seem to recall that from the very beginning the SW book series were written without any input from Lucas Films, nor did they exert any editorial control so long as the publishers ponied up their royalties. That comes from an interview with Lucas back in the early 1980s. Paramont OTOH has always been psychotically possessive about anything to do with Star Trek, down to the point of shutting down fan websites just on GP.

And yet the EU has managed to stay remarkably consistant, especially compared to even a single ST tv series, let alone the ST books.

	31-05-2004 23:09									#384
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove But a laser beam doesn't make any sound on the ground either!

It's not a laser.

	31-05-2004 23:11									#385
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They say it is.

	31-05-2004 23:21									#387
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As my friend Bill (Shatner) once said,

"GET A LIFE, will you people? I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a TV show!

	31-05-2004 23:26									#388
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar Actually, it was stated in ANH radio drama that the sounds you here are approximations the tactical computer provides. This was when the TIEs were attacking thn Falcon, and Han told Luke that he would be hearing sounds provided by the tac computers. Bizatch!

Ahh, ehh, NO.

Why on earth add annoying little sounds for? Besides, this would only explain sounds we hear from scenes inside the ships-not for scenes out in space.

Hence, Smackdown!

The fact is the only movie/TV show I have ever seen that actually kept this science fact was 2001.

	01-06-2004 00:02									#389
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comparing the Empire with the Federation makes no sense. Empire = bad guys, Federation = good guys. The good guys always win in the end, in ST and SW.

So the REAL comparison should be between the Empire and the Borg (or Dominion/Breen, or Species 8472. the big bads from the ST universe).

So who'll win?

Empire vs Borg vs Shadows?

	01-06-2004 00:11									#390
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Well, given how incompetent the Borg were and how one single Federation crew beat them silly, I would have to say they get beaten no matter what.

As for the Shadows, they were no mor evil than the Vorlons really-so maybe it should be Empire vs. First ones.