11-09-2004 00:49									#151
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We could theoretically pop that fungal tower this turn, but I think it's best if we spend one more turn obfuscating and just get behind it.

The foil/worm are to land on the northern continent.

	11-09-2004 03:14									#152
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More of the same, except perhaps on the diplomatic front.

	11-09-2004 03:26									#153
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Hmmm... is that forest north of the rover? I don't know where we assumed Yang was, but that is some sign of interference....

	11-09-2004 03:35									#154
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That is indeed forest north of the rover, as I mentioned in the annual report.

	11-09-2004 04:35									#155
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Something I don't usually read.... I see you figured it was Yang, so...

	11-09-2004 05:23									#156
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Some proposed moves:

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	11-09-2004 05:24									#157
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Angel lands have another pod for us

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	11-09-2004 11:33									#158
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So we've agreed to possibly infuriate the Angels?

Also the damaged worm....I think it is safe for it to pop a pod. Or that might be unconducive in case we hurt our chances of uncovering a materials pod...

	11-09-2004 14:57									#159
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Sounds good - I prefer rover moving NE after forest in future. Isn't poping pods with probe too risky? How many turns until we discover IA? Two? We must arrange the trade with Angels as soon as possible. Perhaps we should make it clear that we are going to get it soon? Oh, and I do not think that pod is visible to Angels.

	11-09-2004 22:20									#160
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Popping a pod with a damaged unit shouldn't influence the outcome.

I strongly suspect that the undiscovered terrain immediately to the north of the unity foil is land, given the shading of the sea tiles that we can see. It looks like the sea fungus goes right up to the land there, hence we either take the long way or go through sea fungus.

Popping a pod with the probe is somewhat risky if no other units are around. Besides, we have more than enough mind worms to take care of the pods, should we put them to that use.

	11-09-2004 22:40									#161
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Perhaps we can disembark rover early? It does eems as 'bottom' of the Hive midlands.

	12-09-2004 02:06									#162
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So where should that pod-not-popping probe go? The pod is in the path to the pier. If it takes the long way around it gets into fungus and will need an escort/protection.

I'm sure our hurt worm can pop safely, but it can't really attack worms that it produces, or at least it shouldn't.

I think we plan to disembark the mindworm one tile straight north. Then the foil turns SE and heads to the loading pier.

Also, are we agreed to pop the fungal tower? It will piss off the Angels apparently, which could hamper our deal-making.

	12-09-2004 03:06									#163
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Popping the fungal tower will annoy them? They've had plenty of time to do it themselves, or they haven't found it yet. Have they actually complained to us about the tower?

	12-09-2004 05:46									#164
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They have noticed that some of 'their' pods are 'already' missing... Maybe they wouldn't mind us popping the tower, but they will notice the missing pod underneath. I think we should still do it though.

	12-09-2004 14:01									#165
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quote: Originally posted by smacksim They have noticed that some of 'their' pods are 'already' missing... Maybe they wouldn't mind us popping the tower, but they will notice the missing pod underneath. I think we should still do it though.

Later we can say we automaticaly popped but we did not know that and apologize for our actions. On the plus side, we cant ell we were ridding them of dangerous lifeform (they even mentioned that they feel in danger from lifeforms).

	12-09-2004 14:19									#166
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I say we just ignore them when they moan about it, which they will invariably do. There is no rule that says 'these are our pods, and these are up for grabs'. They are inflicting that rule on us and hoping we'll take the bait and try to argue the case. Better to just pop the pods and talk like nothing is happening. Of course, it might be better to get IA before that happens. So how do we get it in the next two turns? Beyond that it's just a waste of time for our rover to sit by the free pod.

	12-09-2004 14:27									#167
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quote: Originally posted by smacksim I say we just ignore them when they moan about it, which they will invariably do. There is no rule that says 'these are our pods, and these are up for grabs'. They are inflicting that rule on us and hoping we'll take the bait and try to argue the case. Better to just pop the pods and talk like nothing is happening. Of course, it might be better to get IA before that happens. So how do we get it in the next two turns? Beyond that it's just a waste of time for our rover to sit by the free pod.

Wait a minute, when are we supposed to get IA? If it is in two turns we won't get it: because: 1) we need to receive next turn 2)they played their turn before the new propsoal of trade was posted, so tehy probably won't gif it to us

	12-09-2004 14:38									#168
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Also, Morgan started TWP, TGHP and TME.Why was not this mentioned more clearly? It is obvious taht we chance to build those projects, since it is very likely Morgan has accumulated enough Supply Crawlers to rush build them - or at least two of them. I doubt we can build HGP,e specially when Moragn is buidling, and we do not have neither technology or capability to rush build any project. We are doomed

	12-09-2004 15:25									#169
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We're not doomed. I cannot imagine Morgan Industries having enough ECs and/or crawlers ready to build 3 SPs at this time. Most likely they have made a tactical error by starting what they cannot finish in one turn. We will soon know. If they don't finish all three, they have goofed, IMO. It is possible that they have the resources, but it's pretty unlikely.

As to getting IA, I can't remember how many turns, but it's not a whole lot. The point is that we need the trade complete immediately, or near to. The longer we dither in negotiations, the less important it is, and our pod-popping on Angel land should probably wait till it's done.

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	12-09-2004 15:48									#170
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They will rpobably finish HGP - for ICSing and run WP as their second priority. ME is probably just to confuse us. Howver tehy rae likely to complete two projects, and they will surely aim at HGP - which makes our plans obsolete.

	12-09-2004 21:23									#171
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Relax, we knew that Morgan would probably have first pick of the SPs. Fortunately, we'll have a chance to abort our HGP run - we can (hopefully) pick either Biogenetics or Social Psych as our next tech. If we want to continue pursuing the HGP, we should grab Biogen. If not, we should grab Social Psych and manage our drones with rec commons. I doubt very much that Morgan will be able to finish 2 SPs anytime soon - if he had that many resources, he would have finished 1 a while ago.

	12-09-2004 22:01									#172
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We should probably take this in account. Angels are curious if we are beelining to IA.

	13-09-2004 14:04									#173
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Forum is getting awfuly silent. Also, many things have happened on the diplomatic front, and yet nobody commented it? Huh?

	14-09-2004 02:31									#174
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The turn is in, but there is a request by Illuminatus not to play it until we've had some chance to finish the current round of diplomacy with the Angels. I concur. Further, I suggest that we are ready to make our final (for this round) offer to the Angels, immediately. All three opinions on the issue concur in everything but details. See the diplo thread if you have further opinions.

If we can post our PM to the Angels in the next 6 hours or so, that gives them 12 hours to respond before we must play the turn. So please, agree and/or refine the diplomacy, if you have the time. I am perfectly happy if we post it right now.

	14-09-2004 12:12									#175
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Diplomacy I think is agreed, most part of us believes SL + future tech is OK

	14-09-2004 16:47									#176
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We may need to rethink about some things. We may need to transfer control of units to Angels this turn. Should we offer them destroying fungal tower before we transfer unit control?

	14-09-2004 20:46									#177
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What's the verdict on moving our second probe team? Only smacksim and I have commented.

smacksim wants to move the probe team west and then north, popping a pod.

I want to move the probe team north, through 1 tile of fungus, avoiding all pods.

	14-09-2004 20:54									#178
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Hmm, I would not pop pods with probe team. I would go with Chaos then.

	14-09-2004 20:57									#179
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Movement of the damaged worm in the northeast:

Options:

Move it to fungus and heal it

Pop the coastal pod

Pop the inland pod

Head down the river into unexplored territory


I favor popping the coastal pod, since the worm is not particularly vulnerable to bad pops, we'd have more time to deal with a problem than if we popped the inland pod, and the unexplored territory down the river is probably only 1 tile thick

	14-09-2004 20:58									#180
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I don't really like either route (edit: for the probe team) unless we can bring some protection for the probe team, but essentially yeah, with no protection at all I'd rather risk popping the pod than wading through fungus.

Illuminatus, I suggest you discuss the fungal tower with the Angels and let them know how tasty and delicious it looks to us. It's probably best to put this on the negotiating table too, considering the recent generosity of their offer and the turn order:

Gaians: Gift 2 units ---> Angels (SL and rover)

Angels: Gift IA --> Gaians + commlink (apparently)

Gaians: Redirect research to ethical calculus (just kidding) to Biogen. and plan on sending to Angels when we research it.

That's a great deal for us really.