14-09-2004 21:13									#181
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They wanted to give us comlink +IA for foil and Biogentics. That is not going to happen, and I suspect that they are trying to offer Hive comlink.

	14-09-2004 21:25									#182
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OK, that's fine. Your post in the diplo thread seemed to indicate you were still expecting a commlink. Nonetheless, the deal is still pretty damn good. Bird in the hand....

	14-09-2004 21:38									#183
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They inquired what comlink are we looking for. I suspect they have Hive comlink and tehy are being sneaky.

	14-09-2004 22:19									#184
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Ah, I see. Well in that case, are we just about ready to play the turn? The last few questions might need answering I suppose.

	14-09-2004 22:28									#185
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I guess everything can be played except units on Angel teritory. They are polling about the trade, and they claim they will have an answer about 6 hours before our deadline.

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	14-09-2004 22:30									#186
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For what it's worth, if we pop any pods or increase our tech allocation any, we'll have our next tech next turn.

	14-09-2004 22:39									#187
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Interesting. Let's say that we increase allocation and they agree to trade us technology. What will happen - will we get IA before trade comes into account, or will first get IA, then redirect to Bio and get it on the same turn?

	14-09-2004 22:47									#188
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Trades come before research, thank the gods.

	15-09-2004 12:47									#189
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So, we're ready as Angels have agreed to a deal:
EDITED:
SL + Rover + BioGen (or other which they'd choose) for IA (look at diplocontact vs DA thread)

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	15-09-2004 18:57									#190
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Ok, they accepted, and want us to know that in case we cannot choose Biogenetics we should choose Doctrine Mobility.

	15-09-2004 19:02									#191
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Uh, we have 3 and half hours before our time limit expires? Who is going to play the turn?

	15-09-2004 19:25									#192
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I think CT will be able to do it, otherwise you, Illuminatus

	15-09-2004 20:00									#193
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If CT doesn't show up in two hours, I will play it. BTW I asked Angels if we can remove fungal tower for them.

	15-09-2004 20:05									#194
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Planned to play it right about now.

	15-09-2004 20:16									#195
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Just met the Hive, as described in the appropriately named thread. I'm suspending playing the turn for ~1 hour, to allow people to chime in on any last-minute changes to the turn plan.

	15-09-2004 22:09									#196
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Receive IA, research Biogenetics. What next? I say Social Psych.

Switch all production to supply crawlers.

Plan to step on Yang in the north.

Note that at the end of the turn, the Hive rover in the north moved one tile and killed our rover, receiving significant damage.

	15-09-2004 22:18									#197
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Angels are lobbying for Doctrine: Mobility - they claim it is part of their joint research project - I said we shall consider it, but we need more information. If they agree research Social Pysch fine by me. Too bad about our rover, I hope Hive rover will near fungus.
If we intend to probe rape Yang, we should seriously consider what will we do foil? Should we risk entering fungus and destruction or not?

	16-09-2004 02:20									#198
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So do you think the Angels are connected by land to the Hive? If so, why do they want us to study Mobility? They can just steal it from Hive. Odd. We should definately study SoPsych if available.

CT, could you turn fog-of-war off for future screenshots? It makes planning moves easier. Also, did you notice that only the University had an SP started? Where did the Morganite SPs go?

	16-09-2004 02:34									#199
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East Block:

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	16-09-2004 02:36									#200
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West Section: Moving foil back to the pier for pickup. But what unit can get there in time?

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	16-09-2004 04:36									#201
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We should not send our northern probe team any closer to the last known position of the Hive rover until we've done something to protect it. If we move closer, the Hive rover will just eat our probe team. What we can do with it is move forward 1 to scout, try to grab the rover if we find it (after we've built up a few ECs), or move back if no units are in sight. We can have the mind worm around to take care of the rover if it approaches during Yang's turn.

Fog of war was on when I got the turn, and had been off on previous turns. Someone's been screwing with the game preferences.

I wonder of the Angels know if Yang has Doc: Mobility. Furthermore, I wonder if Yang actually has Doc: Mobility. That rover may just be an initial unit. Its high morale makes me particularly suspicious of this.

	16-09-2004 05:22									#202
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It looks like a laser on that rover? If so, they have mobility.

Their likely techs, as far as I can guess, are:

Loyalty
Applied Physics
Mobility
InfoNets (just guessing, but they like to trade for it)
NonLin Math: maybe
Flex: maybe
SocPsych: maybe
PlaNets: maybe

Hopefully we will know soon. I agree that moving that probe forward isn't too helpful without the worm coming too.

Just how damaged was their rover? Could it retreat? If damaged, it will most likely return to base for healing, or heal in the field, meaning we might be able to sneak up there right now with the worm/probe

	16-09-2004 10:29									#203
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I couldn't tell because the combat flashed by too quickly to follow very well. Yang's rover should be damaged about 50%, but I'm not sure if it lost a movement point or not.

The CMN might have gifted a 2-1-2 to Yang without granting Yang the prerequisite techs.

	16-09-2004 13:09									#204
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quote: Originally posted by smacksim So do you think the Angels are connected by land to the Hive? If so, why do they want us to study Mobility? They can just steal it from Hive. Odd. We should definately study SoPsych if available.

For the last time, every human faction has a land connection to Hive. Our continent is a pared of the x-shaped supercontinent Additionally, every faction can possibly have a land connection to one of other AIs. Unfortunately, our eastern bridge is nonexistant, untill we raise land.
If they don't agree to research treaty and explain us purpose of their beeline I suggest we decline. A good turn of action would be if we probe Mobility from them, and then trade it to Angels.

quote: CT, could you turn fog-of-war off for future screenshots? It makes planning moves easier. Also, did you notice that only the University had an SP started? Where did the Morganite SPs go?

They were probably trying others to change their plans and/or use SP for accumlating minerals for sth which tech will they receive in future. Perhaps they got Social Psych-> and used projects to accumulate mins for them, one turn ahead. They certainly got us confused.

	16-09-2004 13:15									#205
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quote: Originally posted by Chaos Theory I couldn't tell because the combat flashed by too quickly to follow very well. Yang's rover should be damaged about 50%, but I'm not sure if it lost a movement point or not. The CMN might have gifted a 2-1-2 to Yang without granting Yang the prerequisite techs.

Gifting 3 or 4 2-1-2s would be significant - this doesn't explain how did Zak have a higher military rating than Yang for some time. It is possible that Yang researched it. At least we know we will have one technology for probing.

	16-09-2004 19:51									#206
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Well it's usually the first thing Yang researches. Of all the factions, the Hive is least useful to us until airpower, from a research perspective. It just means we should consider the effect that bloating our research department with military techs will have. Unless we build units with that tech, we'll remain low in the power charts (important to intimidation strategy to be higher), and slow in the research charts.

	16-09-2004 20:06									#207
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We should first infiltrate them to see how are they doing before discussing Yang. When we have infiltrated him, we can make longterm plans for Yang. This way, it is just speculation. But his units may present a nuisance, forcing us to defend north constantly.

	18-09-2004 22:16									#208
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Turn's in! However, we have something weird going on with the Angels right now and I don't think we're ready to finish the turn this early.

	18-09-2004 22:43									#209
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I will open the turn to check if trade is successful adn to see our research options. I will post the results, also, Hive rover is in it's place and has 40 percent damage.

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	18-09-2004 22:50									#210
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It is successful, but our research options after Biogenetics are Mobility, Progenitor Psych and Applied Physics. So nothing from social psych - also two of this technologies Yang possibly has, and the third one is reserched by Angels. I picked PP and our tech cost is 162 and breakthrough is in 12 years - 10 is we switch to wealth. EDIT: Morgans have started TheVirtual World?