10-10-2004 03:00									#151
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Why would they do that? We'll get contact with them either way, except that the Angels would be doing the paying if that were the case.

	10-10-2004 03:07									#152
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Perhaps Googlie means the Gaians are trying to get paid two times?
While clever, I'm not sure such a move would be beneficial for the Gaian-Spartan/Angel relations.

	10-10-2004 03:08									#153
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No - I mean that the Gaians would get 50 ec's - 25 from us for the Angels' commlink and also 25 from the Angels for our commlink

Have you never done that in a PBEM (or even a single-player game) It's a neat trick if you can get away with it, but the timing is crucial - we pay at the end of 2141 for the link in advance and the Angels get the 2142 turn right after the Gaians, so by the time the 2142 turn reaches us with the commlink, the Angels might already be hailing us, but it's too late for us to do anything as the Gaians will have 'cashed our cheque"

	10-10-2004 03:13									#154
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Ooooh. How clever and devious. Obviously something we should be doing We'd have to tell about it to the Angels, of course, and I think that'd turn out to do more damage to their relations than that extra 25 ec is worth.

	10-10-2004 04:53									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie More importantly, I think we need to get some devolved responsibility for Home Operations (ie build orders, research, etc) - and Maniac has proven skilled at this.

Why thanks. A problem now is though that I can't access the turn during the week when I'm in Gent, while that's rather important for build orders (knowing the mineral production, calculating the hurry cost etc). I hope though that problem could be solved in a few weeks, as I plan to buy a laptop to take to Gent. Then I can download the turn at my faculty's network node, and use the laptop to have a quiet look at the turn in my room.

	10-10-2004 05:16									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Ooooh. How clever and devious. Obviously something we should be doing

Quite

When we do decide to sell the PK's and Uni's commlinks to the other teams we should also call Lal and Zak and try to sell the human teams' ones to them

	10-10-2004 07:08									#157
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I see that Snowflake was talking about Jamski. He's on our team presently. I've seen only a couple of posts by him. Anybody have an idea if he's still interested in us?

And he sounds familiar to me...

Could he be JaMiaM from ACOL?

quote: Originally posted by Maniac So no one's interested in offering someone else the same trade but with a bigger no-trade clause? (Just inquiring, I'll of course agree to whatever the Junta decides.)

Sorry. I just saw this. (I am currently doing a review of all of todays posts.) If it's not too late - yes I am interested!

quote: Originally posted by Maniac Yeah too late to change it now again I guess.

Oh. Okay... Forget it then...

quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia However, I do think this would further the goal Zeiter proposed, one I agree with - appearing to be mostly harmless. If we aren't too aggressive with the trades, we won't appear to be the devious, conniving, powerhungry bastards we are.

No! That's us! Let us not lie.

quote: Originally posted by Googlie Och, I'm not too upset. They seem to have a beaurocracy worse than the PK's

Touchee!

	10-10-2004 07:47									#158
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Jamski doesn't have a good Internet connection yet. He's supposed to get broadband soonish, he may then re-evaluate his participation.

	10-10-2004 08:29									#159
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Yay! So the Gaian trade went through after all! Woohoo! And they seem to have forgiven the protocol switch. Would it be okay for me to say something like this in the embassy forum:

"Yay! I personally am thrilled that our two factions were able to reach an agreement. The fact that you were willing to forgive the late addition to the trade protocol and continue with the negotiations shows that you are committed to working together with us. I see this as cause for much optimism as far as future relations go."

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	10-10-2004 08:37									#160
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I'd rather see "addition to the trade protocol" rather than "switch of the ..." , otherwise I've no problems with your posting something along those lines.

"switch" has the connotation of our changing our minds, flighty, maybe even petulent, whereas 'addition to" has overtones of a more sombre second look at what we were offering and with the greatest gravitas deciding we had to have an addendum (wow - how pompous that just sounded as I read it back)

But don't forget that we're (actually, you are, as R-112's CO) doing them a huge favor with their injured mindworm in getting our rover out of their way to let them heal and upgrade at a monolith that I'm now convinced they didn't even know was there. Plus, we're giving them the intel that a Hive base is likely to be founded, with no defender, just 2 tiles away.

So I'm not inclined to be too sucky to them

G.

	10-10-2004 08:42									#161
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Okay, I edited it as you wished and made it slightly less sucking-up-ish by omitting a portion of it.

	10-10-2004 08:50									#162
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Just read it - looks good abd friendly (setting up for the "good cop - bad cop" routine, maybe??)

	10-10-2004 09:13									#163
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I like the pictures we picked for our avatars at the other forum.

Herman, Duke, and Wally.

(laugh)

	10-10-2004 14:12									#164
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Since Illuminatis sent me that PM (see the 2141 turn thread), I have an excellent opportunity to reply to him personally, being rather more candid than possible through the forum (the forum might be regulated by my senior officers). I have a good opportunity to play bad cop here, which would be really fun. Curse at them and tell them that when I seize power of the foreign office from that wimp Kassiopeia (ledsen Kass ) they will all feel the wrath of our impact rovers etc ...

This would probably not affect the game itself greatly, but would be a fun sub-plot and it might give the Gaians something to talk about And remember, I'm a newbie here, they have no idea who I am, they might think I'm serious.

Any thoughts on this little drama?

	10-10-2004 16:58									#165
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I like the sound of it. It would also, possibly, give as a backdoor we could use in case we want to go vendetta on them - just try to make them think that there's been a "restructuring of powers" in the Junta, or something. Would certainly add a bit of spice to the game.

I wonder how they would react, yes, the fact that you'd appear to be no one "important" wouldn't make them TOO worried or angry over it, but somewhat still. And they might be more friendly towards us knowing that if the co-operation between them and the current Junta won't work, they might be looking down the barrel of an Impact rifle very soon.

quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen when I seize power of the foreign office from that wimp Kassiopeia (ledsen Kass )

It's ok

	10-10-2004 17:47									#166
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Very well then ... I hope Kass' approval will be enough for the rest of the Junta to accept this move. I sent the gaian ambassadeur this:

quote: Your tripe has been reluctantly forwarded to the Junta. You pathetic Gaians make me sick. Your weak and wretched society is just lulling around like dazed madmen on this awful planet, trying to talk to it. Trying to control the vile creatures who live here. Ha! And now you attempt to negotiate deals with us, babbling like idiots, indecisive like the little children you are. When we take control of the foreign office from that wimp Kassiopeia and his cronies you will wake up one morning to find your cities burning. / Captain Snoddasmannen

I need to do something nice now to boost my karma

	10-10-2004 19:00									#167
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Excellent

I see it has provoked a reply (Under the heading Does the Spartan Federation make Threats?):

quote: extracted from the Embassy files, by Lord Illuminatus of the Gaians This is what I received from your member, Snoddasmannen. Would you care to explain this insult? This seriously undermines Spartan credibility in future negotiatons.

How about my replying there along the lines of:

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My Dear Lord Illuminatus:

In my capacity as Recording Officer to the Junta, I apologize for the intemperate actions of one of our young, hot-headed Junta Officers.

While it is true that there is a militant faction within the Junta, rest assured that their numbers are small and senior officers are attempting to contain the insiduous spreading of their influence. (It was unfortunate that your missive went to one of their leaders, Captain Snoddasmannen)

I am sure that in your own Councils - not yet a Democracy, I see from our intelligence files - you also have these dissenting opinions.

Captain Kassiopeia remains our offical spokesofficer until further notice

Major Googlie
Recording Officer to the Junta

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Those of them who played in the first ACDG will remember the intrigue, coup plotting, etc that went on there and will be wondering .....

	10-10-2004 19:17									#168
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Ahh, some RP in action.

quote: Originally posted by Googlie They seem to have a beaurocracy worse than the PK's

Classical. This ought to go in the history book.

	10-10-2004 19:22									#169
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Looks good to me Googlie

Hope I didn't upset them too much

If we wish to delve deeper into Cpt. Snods character, he might be one of the few survivors from our rover which was surrounded by mindworms and destroyed a while back. This would explain his dislike of Planet and understandably the Gaians by association.

I could post to the Aimoo board and deny like a worm that I sent them that message, but it seems more likely that I have been severely reprimanded and suspended from duty for a couple of years.

	10-10-2004 19:32									#170
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Hey - that's a good idea (I could reactivate Lieutenant Rynn and make her a member of the dissident group)

	10-10-2004 19:50									#171
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Yes, please bring her aboard, we need all the help we can get

	10-10-2004 19:51									#172
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Damn tootin' right

We should be pacting with the Hive and sweeping those other factions from the face of Chiron.

We're wasting our Momentum advantage by dealing with these so called "builder" factions (how much more pejorative can I get?) and especially trading advanced techs like Gene Splicing for their favors.

Take them by force, our credo is.

Lt Rynn

	10-10-2004 19:58									#173
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reply posted in the Embassy

(And how distressing to see my protege take this militant stance. I thought I had mentored you better than that)

	10-10-2004 20:34									#174
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Googlie: MAJOR Kassiopeia. Otherwise ok.

	10-10-2004 20:42									#175
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LOL - now they'll think there really was a coup ........

I'll edit it

G.

EDIT: I see I don't need to edit - nicely covered, Major

	10-10-2004 20:44									#176
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How about that inquiry I mentioned? I threw it in out of impulse, but it might give room for developments. Like Snoddasmannen being demoted to Lieutenant or somesuch.

	10-10-2004 21:05									#177
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Or maybe go the other way?

Give Snoddasmannen a Major title, (and maybe a Lt Colonel title for Jamski, who would, susrely, if he were more active, support a "bonking heads" policy and have a couple of the more inactive members demoted, suggesting a power struggle within the Junta

(such as GeneralTacticus from Major to Captain, and Ogie O to Lieutenant)

This might (if leaked or published) give food for thought to the supercilious Gaians

	10-10-2004 21:18									#178
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Cool idea Googlie

But I don't think the time is yet ripe for Snoddasmannen and the Shadow "Hiverian" Junta to become a major power factor... Maybe I could be forced to make a public apology on the atmoo-forums, and I could sign it Lieutenant Snoddasmannen, being demoted like Kassiopeia suggests. Then in the future I could start rising in the ranks again...

I like the idea of the Gaians losing their trade and the Hiverian Junta gaining influence, but we should not make it too explicit right away.

I suspect the Gaians believe I am just a newbie who acted completely without mandate from the rest of the team, he contacted me quite by accident after all ... Can we throw them off this theory?

	10-10-2004 21:33									#179
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If we can convince them that a Shadow Junta is at work, they'll certainly give more weight to your ramblins. Also the fact that we are actively denying they have any weight should give them more weight.

	10-10-2004 21:42									#180
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ROFLOL

Machiavelli lives

EDIT - Hold everyrthing (see the Sparta-Angels thread)

Last edited by Googlie on 10-10-2004 at 21:49