10-10-2004 22:08									#181
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hmm. Look at Illuminatus' latest post in the Embassy:

quote: Posted in the Embassy by Lord Illuminatus A small question, if I may ask, your intel seems to indicate you have infiltrated Hive networks. Don't be disturbed by my nosiness, but I have to ask it- is this assumption correct?

Is this a time to offer the pieced-together Hive map for 100 ec's or perhaps a tech that they might have (such as Social Psych - which we need for Ethical Calc en route to Int Int)

	10-10-2004 22:22									#182
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Yeah, definitely. 100 ECs sounds about right. And tell them that we can give them Hive unit inventory info or anything else, for that matter, for a price...

I like your thinking on the tech deals, but how would we obtain social psych? Probe it off of Yang? Buy it off of him?

	10-10-2004 22:25									#183
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No - i was suggesting getting Soc psych from the Gaians perhaps in exchange for the Hive map data

	10-10-2004 22:51									#184
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A tech trade for the pieced-together map sounds fair to me.

Btw, my suspicions came true, they think I'm a troll. Darsnan posted this in the embassy forums:

quote: I hope you have ensured that this individual is not an Enigma Nova clone.

Well I am hazarding to guess that I am not, though not being quite aware of who Enigma Nova is I cannot be quite sure Should I post a formal but cold apology to the embassy forum, and sign it Lieutenant (being demoted)? I could mention Rynn in the apology, this will either make them think I am Googlies alter-ego or that I am at least sanctioned by him

	10-10-2004 22:52									#185
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Okay. I think I get it now.
Someone has been spinning a conspiricy web.
Not sure if this is the right way to go. I mean concerning our long term strategy (if we ever decide on one - which we really should) towards the Gaians, and the rest of the factions.

I feel that our Hive map is worth more than that Googlie.

	10-10-2004 23:00									#186
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie No - i was suggesting getting Soc psych from the Gaians perhaps in exchange for the Hive map data

Ah, yes, good idea, and also offer them Hive unit inventory data or production data or labs data or whatever for ECs or tech. That info isn't as good as having infiltration because the info will be obsolete in a few turns, but I bet they would like to have that knowledge quite a bit. I think we could afford to give them that info about the Hive. I can't see how that could hurt us. My suggestion would be 25 ECs for the Hive unit inventory screen, 25 ECs for the Hive labs screen, 5 ECs for the Hive economy screen, and 25 ECs for the Hive production screen. They could buy these separately from each other. Or, they could buy these in one package for another tech. What do you think?

	10-10-2004 23:01									#187
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen A tech trade for the pieced-together map sounds fair to me.

I think you're right. Unless it were a significant tech such as Ind Auto itself (or Fusion power)

quote: Well I am hazarding to guess that I am not, though not being quite aware of who Enigma Nova is I cannot be quite sure

Trust me, you're better off not knowing

quote: Should I post a formal but cold apology to the embassy forum, and sign it Lieutenant (being demoted)?

I'd go ahead and do that, along the lines of:

"The Junta has requested that I issue an apology to Lord Illuminatus.

I apologize

Lieutenant Snoddasmannen"

quote: I could mention Rynn in the apology, this will either make them think I am Googlies alter-ego or that I am at least sanctioned by him

Let that fester for a bit. In a week or so you can get antsy with them again on some other issue, and that'll lead them to think that the dissident faction is gaining in strength, emboldening you to come forward again (and maybe then sign it again as Captain

If I were implicated it'd seem strange that I'm still Recording Officer to the Junta and official turnplayer

	10-10-2004 23:08									#188
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So how does the Junta want me to answer the question posed by Illuminatus (at the top of this page)

1) - That information is currently classified
2) - yes we have infiltrated them
3) - yes, and can supply a pieced together copy of their homeland map for xxx credits
4) - yes, and can supply overall Hive map data, individual base data, military nexus data, etc, all for a price of course

	10-10-2004 23:15									#189
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#4 definitely. This will make us seem very cooperative, and it will hopefully lead to some profitable exchanges.

	10-10-2004 23:16									#190
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie "The Junta has requested that I issue an apology to Lord Illuminatus. I apologize Lieutenant Snoddasmannen"

Brilliant in its simplicity, I'll post something like that.

quote: If I were implicated it'd seem strange that I'm still Recording Officer to the Junta and official turnplayer

I only meant that you would be implicated out of character, lending me personally some credibility But there's time for that later.

As for the infiltration question, I say we let then know that we have, and offer to provide them with that information at a price, such as tech. That map is quite a piece of work, we deserve some goodies for it.

	10-10-2004 23:23									#191
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I'm still trying to assimilate all that has happened (quickly flipping back and forth between threads - and I have yet to see the outside forums), but if you need an answer from right away; I go with #4.

Edit: Yea. Definitly #4. for my vote.

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	10-10-2004 23:51									#192
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I just took a trip to the other forums.

Maybe Darsnan's reply will soothe the gaian's some.

Illuminatus's suggestion about becoming democratic would not fit well into the role playing of the Junta.

	11-10-2004 01:56									#193
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I'm with #4.

Darsnan's reply was pretty some - I think they bought Snoddasmannen's act totally, hook, line and sinker, and are afraid he's a loose cannon like E_N was. Excellent, Captain Snoddasmannen

The part about democracy was probably just some feather-ruffling, something you tend to say under these circumstances. I doubt they seriously think we'll switch to Demo anytime soon if at all.

	11-10-2004 02:17									#194
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Maybe testing to see whether we have Ethical Calculus?

(they might assume that we researched our way to Gene Splicing - we could bolster that by saying:

"While changing to Democracy might have some advantages, it just doesn't seem to be our culture" - thereby letting them think that we could change if we wanted to)

	11-10-2004 02:24									#195
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Well observed, I will say just that.

	11-10-2004 03:00									#196
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I see. too that the Gaian turn has been hanging there for four hours now with nobody downloading it

G.

	11-10-2004 03:22									#197
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quote: Originally posted by Zeiter and also offer them Hive unit inventory data or production data or labs data or whatever for ECs or tech

That. too, is a great idea (a boilerplate "print-out" of readily accessible data, or a custom research by us

quote: That info isn't as good as having infiltration because the info will be obsolete in a few turns, but I bet they would like to have that knowledge quite a bit

We could undertake to regularly update it (sort of like a subscription service - and that would justify the relatively high costs we're charging too) - say annually for ten years for the fee quoted

quote: I think we could afford to give them that info about the Hive. I can't see how that could hurt us.

So long as they are engaged in a war agaisnt the Hive they'll be diverting energy and minerals to their war effort - weakening both themselves and the Hive (and maybe, too, making the Hive more concerned about its southern border than pushing northwards)

quote: My suggestion would be: 25 ECs for the Hive unit inventory screen, 25 ECs for the Hive labs screen, 5 ECs for the Hive economy screen, and 25 ECs for the Hive production screen. They could buy these separately from each other. Or, they could buy these in one package for another tech. What do you think?

I think that's a super idea. While it sounds expensive, if we say that it'll be each year for a ten year period (5 years?) before renewal, then they might see it as valuable until they get infiltration themselves on the Hive

We could throw in an additional "custom" feature whereby if they want detailed information on any particular base, we can do that "run" for 5 ec's

And I'd go with a 200 ec purchase price for the jigsaw map (which, too, would be upgraded as and when we either explored more territory or the Hive founded new bases)

	11-10-2004 03:27									#198
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A great idea, yes, I've had AndiD in WWW send me screenshots of infiltration data (he's governor) in exchange for world map updates.

We shall make milking information for all its worth a form of art

	11-10-2004 03:37									#199
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So an answer to Lord Illuminatus' question along the lines of the following might please the Junta?:

Yes, we have infiltrated the Hive and can supply overall Hive map data, individual base data, military nexus data, etc, all for a price of course

The Junta have discussed this, and have put the following figures together (purchase price, not per annum prices - but payment can be staggered):

For the "Jigsaw" map, and automatic updates for 5 years based on our further explorations or further Hive expansion ........... 200 ec's

For F4 Base production, citizen and garrison screenshots (aggregate), updated yearly for 5 years ............50 ec's

For F8 Military Nexus Screenies (updated annually for 5 years) .............. 25 ec's

For F1 and F2 screenshots (Research and Financial), annually for 5 years (combined) .............25 ec's

For individual base data, on a one off basis, per request, ..........5 ec's

(Note that we would also be willing to consider payment in kind as well as in credits - reciprocal information, technologies or even gifted units such as trained native wildlife)

We look forward to hearing from you

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It certainly pleases me.

	11-10-2004 06:34									#201
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I got nothin' against trying.
But, in putting myself in their shoes, I don't think I'd accept those prices. Then again, they're not me...

	11-10-2004 09:23									#202
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I'll go ahead and post it as a reply in the Embassy - it was Zeiter's original idea, so I'm sure he'll approve, and I haven't seen maniac comment at all regarding this idea (a stealthy Junta vote by the Gaian-Dove party while the Lt Colonel is absent?? Maybe we can make some hay with that thought as well

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	11-10-2004 09:55									#203
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I posted the following in the Embassy:

quote: Posted by Googlie in the Sparta-Gaians Embassy My Dear Lord Illuminatus: Yes, we have indeed infiltrated the Hive datalinks which is why we can advise you this turn of where the Colony Pod, scout, etc are. It has occurred to your Gaian "sympathizers" among our Junta Officers that this data might be useful to you as you prosecute the vendetta you have against the esteemed Chairman, and a vote was taken a few moments ago (when a quorum was assembled) as to whether we could supply overall Hive map data*, individual base data, military nexus data, etc, to the Gaians. (We are assuming in all this that you yourselves have not infiltrated the Hive). Key to the affirmative vote was that these data could be supplied at a price. * A map has been assembled, labeled The Jigsaw Map, from our coastline knowledge and the individual Hive base screens The Junta have discussed the idea of making this data available to the Gaians, and have put the following figures together (purchase price, not per annum prices - but payment can be staggered): For the "Jigsaw" map, and automatic updates for 5 years based on our further explorations or further Hive expansion ........... 200 ec's For F4 Base production, citizen and garrison screenshots (aggregate), updated yearly for 5 years ............50 ec's For F8 Military Nexus Screenies (updated annually for 5 years) .............. 25 ec's For F1 and F2 screenshots (Research and Financial), annually for 5 years (combined) .............15 ec's For individual base data, on a one off basis, per request, ..........3 ec's (Note that we would also be willing to consider payment in kind as well as in credits - reciprocal information, technologies or even gifted units such as trained native wildlife) We look forward to hearing if this might be of interest to you Major Googlie, Commanding Officer, Covert Operations

Let's see what that brings by way of reply

	11-10-2004 10:10									#204
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3 ec's for an individual base peek sounds extremely cheap, they can purchase one of those for every base and piece together their own map for far less than 200. I'd go ahead and edit that before they have a chance to see it

Other than that, super ideas

	11-10-2004 10:18									#205
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia Darsnan's reply was pretty some - I think they bought Snoddasmannen's act totally, hook, line and sinker, and are afraid he's a loose cannon like E_N was. Excellent, Captain Snoddasmannen

Yes, good point, this is actually what we want them to think
I don't want them thinking I'll play ahead or leak lots of information and spoil the game, but them thinking I am just some loony is a good idea, especially if they see me rising in ranks

If/When we decide to go to war with the Gaians, Snoddasmannen should become ambassadeur to the Gaians, and slightly before that, he can rising in the ranks and start chatting in the embassy forums. Until then, he can lay low.

	11-10-2004 10:26									#206
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen 3 ec's for an individual base peek sounds extremely cheap, they can purchase one of those for every base and piece together their own map for far less than 200. I'd go ahead and edit that before they have a chance to see it

I doubt it. It took me six or seven hours, with the F4 screen open on my laptop while I played with the jigsaw on my desktop. I don't think it could be done either without them having the coastline that we share with the Hive (that the Invincible explored)

Plus, we already know where several of those bases are

Here's the basic building block:

	11-10-2004 11:13									#207
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen I don't want them thinking I'll play ahead or leak lots of information and spoil the game, but them thinking I am just some loony is a good idea, especially if they see me rising in ranks

I've been mulling this whole episode in my mind all day...

I believe that we could probably instill more emphasis on this by having someone else post under Snoddasmannen's post in the Gaian forum, something like this:

"Although Captain Snoddasmannen's apology has been rendered. Let it be known that this was not, as he claims, a request by the Junta Disciplinary Board of Inquiry, but instead a demand that he do so.


Officer of Spartan Internal Affairs,
Charge of Junta Disciplinary Board of Inquiry.


(Someone correct my terminolgy or spelling)

	11-10-2004 11:14									#208
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie I doubt it. It took me six or seven hours, with the F4 screen open on my laptop while I played with the jigsaw on my desktop.

You're probably right, that's a lot of pieces to click together and it's likely to be impossible unless you know where the bases are. I withdraw my objection.

	11-10-2004 17:13									#209
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I think I read in this or the Morgan-Spartan relations thread a proposal to buy Social Psych and/or Biogenetics from the Morganites or the Angels. Keep in mind that, since Zak has SotHB, EthCalc & Gene Splicing, we are pretty sure he has SocPsych & Biogen too. So who knows we could just steal that tech in a while, without the need to buy it.

Besides those techs, AFAIK the only tech we could possibly use from any of three factions is Industrial Economics, as a prerequisite for EnvEcon. Though if the Morganites like the deal to research EnvEcon for us, even that wouldn't be needed.

	11-10-2004 17:45									#210
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quote: Originally posted by Snoddasmannen You're probably right, that's a lot of pieces to click together and it's likely to be impossible unless you know where the bases are. I withdraw my objection.

It's moot anyway (see the Embassy) as they expect themselves to infiltrate Yang within the next turn or so

What is really interesting in that post, though, is their asking us :

quote: Posted by Lord Illuminatus in the Embassy I was wondeing what do you require for Morgan's comlink, once you buy it from Chairman Yang.

Funny, but as we already had the 2 offers on the table I never thought to check!!

GGLIE