14-10-2004 04:57									#91
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I'd PM him

I'm checking the viewing stats for the Embassy, and after I discount my own visits, there are precious few (and I arrant the vast majority are other Spartans)

	14-10-2004 05:46									#92
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How's this for size.

quote: Headline: Interfactiona Relations Mister Mead, the Morganites have established that they wish for further co-operation with the Spartan Federation, in hopes of countering a possible alliance between the Gaians and the Data Angels. There is clear support for this co-operation within the Spartan ranks, but your actions so far have been puzzling. Mainly because there hardly are any. We have observed and monitored the Virtual Embassy set by Major Googlie with interest and earnest, but Morganite activity there seems to be a seldom occurrence. Spartans are not prone to jumping to hasty conclusions, but this current trend is of concern to us. A trade proposal is on the table there, and we are waiting for your final word on our Treaty agreement. You have also had the turn in your possession for 24 hours now, and we would desire quick action in diplomatic affairs. We need to act swiftly, as the Gaians and Data Angels may already have a considerable headstart. If our Virtual Embassy arrangement is a hindrance to you, by all means, suggest a replacement so that we can proceed with our talks posthaste. Yours sincerely, Major Kassiopeia, Diplomatic Officer of the Junta.

	14-10-2004 06:12									#93
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I'd be guilty of quite a few of those visits, Googlie...

Sounds Good, Kass.
(Finally. We're starting to press in the diplomatic department.)

	14-10-2004 07:39									#94
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Looks good to me (I guess my promotion isn't finalized yet - I suppose I need to arm-wrestle Lt Col Maniac for possession of the electronics cryatal with Colonel Santiago's signature)

	14-10-2004 17:07									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Kassiopeia We'd need to propose such better treaty terms, though. You want a 60:40 share of the energy credits, for instance?

Or a fixed payment of 1.5 or 2 credits per year? 2 credits ~= 1 mineral IMHO, so they would be more or less paying our support costs. The advantage for the Morganites lies in the fact that they don't have to build a ship themselves.

quote: Oh, and do we really go back to altering what I already did say was an acceptance of their terms? Didn't we nearly have this same mess with the Gaians?

To prevent that happening from a third time, may I suggest we wait a little longer in the future before posting diplomatic messages? That way everyone has a chance to tell his opinion. Since the other factions are very slow in diplomacy at the moment, us taking a little longer to post a reply wouldn't make much of a difference I believe.

Also, we haven't stated a term yet for our treaty, as we did for the Gaians. So we could say we're willing to sign a treaty, with a renegotiation every five years or so? Then over five years we could put Hunter exploration up for discussion again. Or alternatively if they wait too long with replying anything in the embassy, we would say we've changed our minds due to their silence?

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	14-10-2004 17:15									#96
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quote: To prevent that happening from a third time, may I suggest we wait a little longer in the future before posting diplomatic messages? That way everyone has a chance to tell his opinion. Since the other factions are very slow in diplomacy at the moment, us taking a little longer to post a reply wouldn't make much of a difference I believe.

I think the proposal about exchanging energy for the screenshots was on the table for at least two or three days with only me and Googlie commenting on it, we can drag our feet so can people can opine on things but we can't grag on for too long. I took the silence to mean a consent of the Junta.

quote: Or alternatively if they wait too long with replying anything in the embassy, we would say we've changed our minds due to their silence?

That we can do.

	14-10-2004 17:20									#97
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Okay, this is how I put it: "You haven't finalised it yet, the Junta has reconsidered the deal, and does not like the way it was, so we're adding stuff."

	14-10-2004 17:40									#98
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Whoops. I reread the thread and it seems like I have made a mistake. I guess because the thread was being posted in so fast, I missed a few posts. Namely this post and the next five or so. And those were rather crucial posts: in those Googlie and KK agreed to give Morganites those screenies without further payment being necessary. While in the posts just above those, Googlie and KK seemed to want more payment for that exploration data. That's also what caused my confusion here when I first noticed that SCC Hunter screenie in the embassy.

So I'd like to apologize for my questions regarding the deal made: I didn't realize there was a clear Junta majority in favour of it. So if you are still in favour of the deal we have now, and don't want to renegotiate, who am I to disagree? Would it be too late to edit away the post you have just made?
Sorry for the mess.

	14-10-2004 17:42									#99
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Btw, did something change in the Morganite diplomacy window, or are our treaty and Gene Splicing offer still pending?

	14-10-2004 17:46									#100
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Nothing from Morgan this turn re the treaty and/or gene Splicing - just silence

I can go into the Embassy and remove our post with the offer/agreement in it - or kass can edit it saying something like:

"We are taking your silence as indicating no interest in our proposed terms, therefor for the moment all offers are off the table"

	14-10-2004 17:49									#101
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Are we in favour of the earlier treaty or do we want to stick with the amendments I just posted? Googlie? I'm indifferent, really, the temporarity stuff we did miss though. (But I think I spun that one up pretty well too. Oh the things we can get away with if they remain silent)

	14-10-2004 18:07									#102
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They have to offer us something for the Treaty, as they benefit more than we do.

I like what you've posted (a couple of typos, though - my bolding below)

quote: The temporary nature is to ensure that such agreements do not become an unnecessary burden to our isolationist faction. Be most assured however, that through co-operation and gaining trust this Treaty y will be ........

	14-10-2004 18:37									#103
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Glad you like it. Typos fixed - I was called off to have dinner when I started that paragraph.

	14-10-2004 18:48									#104
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LOL

Now a question ...........

What to do with the SCC Hunter?

a) - explore the Morgan coastline
b) - head deep into the southwest to see if we can find the Angels' territory
c) - stick to the original plan and rendezvous with the SNC Pegasus to sheepdog it thru some serious podpopping

My vote is for c) - we've a good chance of energy credits, AA's (and maybe even a level-1 tech or 2) and even if we pop an IoD, there's still ec's to be had by Hunter toasting it

	14-10-2004 20:55									#105
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Hmm - interesting reply from Morgan:

quote: Posted in the Embassy by jtsisyoda, of the Morganites We consider the deal finalized, but first you have to take Gene Splicing off the list in the Diplo box

and it was accompanied by a slew of "mea culpas" by the turnplayer, jtsisyoda.

Methinks they are getting a little worried that they might be "driving us into the Gaians camp"

How do we capitalize on their paranoia?

	14-10-2004 23:28									#106
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Googlie:

Can you elaborate on your statement of; "driving us into the Gaians camp"? For some reason, I can't see that myself, in their reply...

	14-10-2004 23:36									#107
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"Consider the deal finalized" - I'm going to have to ask them to specify that they also accept our additional terms. If we can push them through, we've capitalized on their paranoia as it is pretty decently. We can keep on making imbalanced suggestions, such as the GS one - I'd imagine that they won't be quite as willing to negotiate down payments et. al. now that they're mortified we'll abandon them. I'm thinking they might be in real need of the credits our treaty with them will provide, even if we grab half from the top of the pile.

	15-10-2004 00:11									#108
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quote: Originally posted by KrysiasKrusader Can you elaborate on your statement of; "driving us into the Gaians camp"? For some reason, I can't see that myself, in their reply...

Just a general perception in jtsisyoda's tone - almost grovelling

quote: posted in the Embassy by itsisyoda Sorry, when I posted the turn for you guys I didn't have to time say anything. I respectfully request that our temporary/apparent inactivity not be seen as disinterest in cooperation. We consider the deal finalized, but first you have to take Gene Splicing off the list in the Diplo box. I'm unable to take it off, otherwise I'd have accepted the treaty. If this is my error in rushing the turn, I apologize. (There's a reason Mead's the diplomat.)

	15-10-2004 00:26									#109
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Mmmm...
I saw it more as; he was rushed to get the turn done.
Just a matter of individual perception I suppose...

Any way. Looks like there moving with us (to me any ways).

	15-10-2004 02:13									#110
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The Morganites are OK with the temporarity clause but not the upkeep cost. I'm going to agree with that, since we're (like with the Gaians) already gaining stuff we didn't originally specify.

	15-10-2004 02:24									#111
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OK - let's renegotiate after 5 years (they won't see much, except Pegasus popping a pod. We'll make sure it goes nowhere near our land

	15-10-2004 02:55									#112
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Hey, sorry about being so inactive these last few days. I've had avalanches of schoolwork to do.

It looks like you guys have everything going well.
If there are proposals pending anytime in the future, don't worry about waiting for me, you can go ahead with them. Some days I don't have time to post, but I still skim through and make sure everything is going okay. If something jumps out at me as a bad decision, I'll make sure to comment on it.

	15-10-2004 02:58									#113
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Pretty well considering how I keep forgetting stuff and then have to talk people into accepting the stuff once I add it to a proposal they've already accepted. I wonder if the same'll happen with the Angels too.

	15-10-2004 03:41									#114
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So to go back to the SCC Hunter, I presume these orders meet with approval? (last post on page)

(Maybe we ask Morgan for a mini-screenie of their coastline so as to not waste their - and our - time exploring what they already know )

	15-10-2004 04:23									#115
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I'm proposing to post in the Embassy, under the Hunter Logs, the following (unless the Junta agree that it should not be posted):

*************************************************

Captain's Log, 2142

Captain Primus Pilus activated the commlink to see the familiar face of Commander Dissident:

"Captain, here are your orders for this tour of duty"

"Sir!," responded Captain Pilus

The Commander continued:

"From your present position, you will sail on the following bearings, coastline and seafungus permitting, (and you are authorized to use your own discretion in circumnavigating such obstacles):

2142: S x 1, then W x 2, then S x 1
2143: S x 1, then SE x 3
2144: NE x 2, then E x 2
2145: There you will rendezvous with the Pegasus, just outside Hive coastal waters, who will be carrying fresh orders for you. Understood?"

"Aye, Aye, Sir," responded the Captain, as the commlink flickerd off.

He gave the ordsers to his crew, and the Hunter weighed anchor and sailed south from Vander Eudaimonics. The Morgan observer on board gave one last wistful look at the Base he'd called home for these last 40 years, then turned and went below deck.

*************************************************

OK to post?

	15-10-2004 04:26									#116
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Sounds fine. I'm sure mentioning the Hive coast is okay because the Morganites probably already know in what direction Yangland is.

	15-10-2004 05:48									#117
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Yep, I see no problems with it either, but then I'm a bit tired already. (Fifty posts in 24 hours, whew! Quite an undertaking.)

	15-10-2004 05:54									#118
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Ah, but those Imperial duties rest but lightly on the shoulders compared to the kingly weight of yore


LOL - even your Avatar looks tired !!

	15-10-2004 05:56									#119
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quote: Originally posted by Zeiter Sounds fine. I'm sure mentioning the Hive coast is okay because the Morganites probably already know in what direction Yangland is.

And they'll see the screenies anyway (prolly well before they even get a foilprobe finished and down there)

	15-10-2004 06:40									#120
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Mead has replied...

Looks like we'll have to wait (and pobably not expect too much)...