13-12-2004 10:03									#331
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Aeson, with your permission I'll adjust your quote to replace "nameless" with Horsefish.

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	13-12-2004 10:06									#332
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Sure thing.

Can you include:

"If the Artillery seem vulnerable, perhaps 2 units can be sent along with each stack. Not to keep Lego from capturing them, but to pillage the tiles the Artillery are bombarding from. That way Lego won't be able to take the Artillery anywhere if they do capture them."

	13-12-2004 10:09									#333
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And those 3 1/4s, 11 2/4s, 1 1/3 tanks must be about what they have left, if they only have 15 tanks at this moment. Pretty beaten up... and if they want to heal they have to stay put.

Interesting dillema these guys have: either spend 13 tanks to keep us from attacking them, and almost certainly get beaten by GoW next turn, or keep where they are, and be destroyed by us. Aren't we forcing that decision in one particular way? If they know they can't win in any scenario, is there another way to go?

If the roads are pillaged, wouldn't that automatically mean that either Lego loads their units in transports (should be accessible anyway, no matter where they are), possibly after recapturing stuff, or they retreat everything into Abilene.

Hmmm... that last won't work. Those are hills surrounding the cities. If they try to cross, they will be easy pickings. So, in case GoW cuts the roads, it's either suicide for those tanks, or retreat onto boats.

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	13-12-2004 10:11									#334
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quote: MZ, a short message as CH probably went to bed by now (I'm not certain you're awake either). We might have found something... with your new artillery there is a possibility to cut Abilene of from the RR network. That will mean that you only have to fear the units in Dye and Jackson... but there are some disadvantages too. We are still looking into this, but as it would keep Lego from redistributing their defenders, and would keep them from taking out all our tanks in the open, it at least is worth the consideration. If you haven't played farther already, please look into this: quote: Originally posted by Aeson GoW can cut off all of Lego's troops in Abilene if they want to use Artillery to do so. From Ahhmyfoot 4 they can bombard Abilene 9, 6, and 63. Then from Horsefish they could bombard the rest of the Hills. They could even cut themselves off completely so Jackson and Dye Fields couldn't capture those Artillery. It would open up some of their Artillery to Lego taking them back, but only if Lego basically abandons Dye Fields and Jackson to us next turn. If the Artillery seem vulnerable, perhaps 2 units can be sent along with each stack. Not to keep Lego from capturing them, but to pillage the tiles the Artillery are bombarding from. That way Lego won't be able to take the Artillery anywhere if they do capture them. Not sure if it's worth it, but something to consider. As said, we don't know if it is going to help, but seems at least partly advantageous. So... some more food for your thoughts DeepO

	13-12-2004 10:12									#335
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Of those Tanks I listed, Ft Stanwix had 4 2/5s and 1 1/4. That means they have:

1 2/5
11 2/4
1 1/3
2 1/4

The other one I don't know. It might be a 3/3 if it didn't promote. I know they had at least one other 3 HP Tank.

	13-12-2004 10:14									#336
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Aeson, what other one? Am I missing something? I thought they only had 15 tanks left, and you list 15 tanks...

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	13-12-2004 10:16									#337
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I don't know. I think they attack the units out in the open either way. Remember GoW will also have a lot of single units out in the open too, so we aren't definitely the targets.

Probably they abandon all but one city, piling in it, or attack with everything they have to kill all the exposed units (revenge for taking cities) knowing that they can't defend against us long anyways.

	13-12-2004 10:18									#338
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Oops, you're right. I can't count.

	13-12-2004 10:22									#339
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson It looks to me that they have 4 tiles they'd need to cut rails on. 5 Captures. So that means they'd need 13 "Attacks" to do it.

Actually, it's 5 tiles, with 3 of them guarded by marines. Plus they can capture 2 explorers in one tile. those marines may be the hardest part, with their damaged tanks.

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	13-12-2004 10:24									#340
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This makes it even more worth it. There is a good chance we would have road access, in case we can ask MZ to bomb the roads.

DeepO

	13-12-2004 10:25									#341
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I'll add a line that we keep on thinking about it, and in case the save doesn't get played tonight, we might have more to comment on in the morning.

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	13-12-2004 10:28									#342
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My money is on Lego retiring from the game altogether when they open the save and debate for 48 hours.

	13-12-2004 10:30									#343
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Message
sent to MZ. He went to bed 4 hours ago, so the save hasn't been finished yet.

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	13-12-2004 10:31									#344
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sleepy, could very well be. They are disillusioned right now...

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	13-12-2004 10:32									#345
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Abilene's culture will claim out to NI69. That leaves NI699, NI999, NI998, and NI98. Each of those is guarded by a Marine, so it's still pretty good in our favor. Lego might not want to risk losing Tanks against Marines on Hills/Forests.

	13-12-2004 10:36									#346
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quote: Originally posted by Aeson Abilene's culture will claim out to NI69. That leaves NI699, NI999, NI998, and NI98. Each of those is guarded by a Marine, so it's still pretty good in our favor. Lego might not want to risk losing Tanks against Marines on Hills/Forests.

Ah, you're right. Forgot about NI69 (saw it yesterday, but my brain is turning into swiss cheese ) That should be NI988, BTW. NI98 is a forest, with a radar tower, 8 inf and 8 tanks if I'm not mistaken. That should be pretty safe.

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	13-12-2004 10:45									#347
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Right. I'm off to bed, see you tomorrow. The bakery across the street just opened

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	13-12-2004 11:10									#348
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Ok. I was working off the impression we were on the Hills. Forgot we were on the Forest.

	13-12-2004 17:29									#349
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quote: Originally posted by vmxa1 What is the point of having a body guard, if you have to defend them? .

	13-12-2004 17:42									#350
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If a message is to be sent to Vox today, which if MZ sends one, we need to be right behind, someone else will have to do it besides me. I have at least one trial this morning and another 7 hearings this afternoon (hopefully no more trials today, one is enough, but you never know). Going to be a late night at the office for me.

	13-12-2004 17:45									#351
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Regarding Lego loading up and coming for us with the Abilene stack, when can we get hold of cruise missiles. For 60 shields a turn, we have a few cities that can churn out 1 per turn, and each one can take out a transport (after bombardment) and the 8 units in it. Plus you can avoid some of the range problems by loading them into transports first and firing them from there (which is really an exploit of the rules, I suppose, since they're not meant to be usuable like that).

	13-12-2004 17:49									#352
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I didn't realise you could fire cruise missiles from transports. Makes up for not being able to fire them from N-Subs. Don't we need Rocketry for CM though? I think we're scheduled to get that from ND, but not for a while yet.

	13-12-2004 17:49									#353
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	13-12-2004 17:56									#354
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OK, Sleepy - understood.

GoW's advantage here is that they have no team who has to agree on content, tone, or wording. All we've firmly agreed on is that we have to be careful to start with.

So, any advances on ...

quote: To the fine people of Vox Controli, In these turbulent times we'd like reassure you that our war is with Lego and not with their ally, and would like to both continue and extend our friendship with you. However paradoxical it may seem, Vox could make gains from the current conflict, should circumstances permit. Gathering Storm

	13-12-2004 17:59									#355
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important message from MZ just arrived... I need time to think this over (and to open my eyes properly too). He wants to take the isolation a lot farther.

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	13-12-2004 18:01									#356
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quote: Originally posted by Cort Haus I didn't realise you could fire cruise missiles from transports. Makes up for not being able to fire them from N-Subs. Don't we need Rocketry for CM though? I think we're scheduled to get that from ND, but not for a while yet.

Wow... firing missiles from transports is not what I had in mind, no. That's clearly a bug.

However, you can'f fire them from nuke subs? In that case, forget what I said yesterday about those being better than subs.

DeepO

	13-12-2004 18:04									#357
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CH, that message from Vox might be a bit too confrontational. I know the intention is to reassure them, but it kind of reads like "now that your oppressor is gone, you can be free again!"

I don't know how to improve it, though. Your intention i very good.

DeepO

	13-12-2004 18:12									#358
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quote: Originally posted by DeepO important message from MZ just arrived... I need time to think this over (and to open my eyes properly too). He wants to take the isolation a lot farther. DeepO

Can they offer peace and send rubber at the same time? I thought not - but then PBEM diplo mechanics are somewhat opaque - not to mention buggy.

	13-12-2004 18:15									#359
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Good point! In SP, you can't do both, no... while offering peace, the harbors are not open, so no lux or resource trades. I guess that MP is no different here

DeepO

	13-12-2004 18:17									#360
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I agree the draft Vox message is not very warm. I'm not sure what to say instead though. (I shouldn't really be thinking about it now.)