09-03-2005 07:32									#151
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I'm in favour of an attack but I guess I'll have to go with the majority.
So, what next?

	09-03-2005 09:11									#152
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Doing that is almost as bad as attacking them. *Trip, the veteran of a half dozen demogames, one of which he was killed early because of such a move

Oh I dunno....I'm pretty bullish about our ability to defend ourselves given the Industrious nature of our Workers and our pretty good starting land.

By contrast, Euphorica (China, also Industrious) do not even have their connecting road network complete between their initial 3 towns.

	09-03-2005 09:13									#153
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Remember also, that the nature of this particular DG is not "build a huge economy then attack with overwhelming strength", it is more along the lines of outright nastiness and early warfare.

In other words, it's likely to be a short game anyway (especially with CIV on the way)

	09-03-2005 09:25									#154
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Just relating my old DG grandpa experiences...

	09-03-2005 09:41									#155
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Indeed. And if it doesn't work out, so what? Other democracy games will come along. One of the reasons I joined this game was to be an extreme aggressor, something I rarely do in normal games.

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quote: Originally posted by Masuro One of the reasons I joined this game was to be an extreme aggressor, something I rarely do in normal games.

...except for Iron Civer games, that is

	09-03-2005 10:40									#157
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That was a competition game and you had the iron. Hmmm, I also attacked in the Frogstomp game. You seem to bring out the worst in me.

	09-03-2005 17:09									#158
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I am with trip - if we attack them, attack them. if not, we need to play nice

	09-03-2005 19:51									#159
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Grrrr

It seems your leader has been overruled by this so-called democracy

	09-03-2005 20:02									#160
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Aqualung for King! (Can I be prime minister?)

	10-03-2005 05:11									#161
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For better or worse, we have entered their territory.

we have also discovered the Lost Boys, annoyingly close to the south.

Capital build switched to a Granary. I suggest next turn after the 2 Warriors are completed we switch to at least one Barracks and start with Archers.

	10-03-2005 05:14									#162
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The north - their town is undefended

I expect this to generate some discussion lads

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	10-03-2005 05:15									#163
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..and the south, with the Lost Boys at our doorstep:

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	10-03-2005 05:22									#164
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quote: Originally posted by Masuro Indeed. And if it doesn't work out, so what? Other democracy games will come along. One of the reasons I joined this game was to be an extreme aggressor, something I rarely do in normal games.

There's a difference between an aggressor and going headlong into a war with no units better than a Warrior, hardly any army, no Barracks, only one city above size 1 and no plan.

	10-03-2005 05:47									#165
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I don't think we can pass up this opportunity to seriously damage our rivals. With the loss of a city, their production will be seriously reduced and we need not fear a large enemy army coming down on us.
And we can always ask for peace after we take that undefended city.

	10-03-2005 06:04									#166
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When you do something like that you make a game-long enemy. Immediately and forever their goal becomes to cause you as much harm as possible. Peace is not an option, and you have to expect total war until one of the teams is dead.

	10-03-2005 06:10									#167
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quote: Originally posted by Trip There's a difference between an aggressor and going headlong into a war with no units better than a Warrior, hardly any army, no Barracks, only one city above size 1 and no plan.

Haven't you heard? we've now got 2 towns above size 1 ....but still no plan

But I reluctantly agree with Trip....this is probably not the time to mount an invasion - I just wanted to see how they reacted when we moved into their territory knowing they couldn't defend themselves (unless they have a Warrior in that fog behind the town ).

Another rationale is to test out the skills of our Foreign Minister

	10-03-2005 06:13									#168
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On the other hand, we all know that in PBEM your first core cities should be no more than 3 tiles from the capital and connecting up roads is the first priority.

They have violated both of these maxims, and therefore.....forgive me......deserve to be attacked

After all, by settling 4 tiles from their capital instead of 3, they have expanded closer to us, and therefore by extension have taken land that should rightly be ours (however small).

This in itself could be used as a justification for war!

	10-03-2005 06:16									#169
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quote: Originally posted by Trip When you do something like that you make a game-long enemy. Immediately and forever their goal becomes to cause you as much harm as possible. Peace is not an option, and you have to expect total war until one of the teams is dead.

I can live with that.....do you have a problem with it?

In the end there can be only one

Remember our name, comrades.....Desolation!

Muahahaha <--- evil laugh

	10-03-2005 06:24									#170
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quote: Originally posted by Masuro And we can always ask for peace after we take that undefended city.

Displaying your sense of humour again I see, old chap

	10-03-2005 06:37									#171
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(reply to Trip's post and not the three posts Aqualung snuck in while I was typing. )

Of course, but I thought it was our goal to make enemies (one at a time) and engage in total war. Thus our team name and skull and crossbones symbol.
Or have I been playing Rome:Total War too much lately?

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	10-03-2005 07:17									#172
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oops, cross post

	10-03-2005 07:39									#173
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Like I said, I have no problem with bashing heads, but I would have preferred to set things up a bit more. At least to build some Immortals or even Archers. Right now it's a coin toss as to who wins. Yeah, we take out a city, but what if they have two great city sites and resources while we don't? There's too much up in the air.

	10-03-2005 13:12									#174
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 On the other hand, we all know that in PBEM your first core cities should be no more than 3 tiles from the capital and connecting up roads is the first priority. They have violated both of these maxims, and therefore.....forgive me......deserve to be attacked After all, by settling 4 tiles from their capital instead of 3, they have expanded closer to us, and therefore by extension have taken land that should rightly be ours (however small). This in itself could be used as a justification for war!

I don't accept that Maxim I am in favour of pushing outwards and then backfilling.

	10-03-2005 13:16									#175
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quote: Originally posted by Trip Like I said, I have no problem with bashing heads, but I would have preferred to set things up a bit more. At least to build some Immortals or even Archers. Right now it's a coin toss as to who wins. Yeah, we take out a city, but what if they have two great city sites and resources while we don't? There's too much up in the air.

Agreed. I once attacked Trip with a lone archer, but that was in the knowledge that I had 3 vet archers a few turns away from him at the time. And it was a do-or-die situation - my start meant I *had no option other than to attack* We are not in the same situation now, we have very little to gain by attacking that city, and a lot to loose.

	10-03-2005 13:19									#176
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quote: Originally posted by Masuro (reply to Trip's post and not the three posts Aqualung snuck in while I was typing. ) Of course, but I thought it was our goal to make enemies (one at a time) and engage in total war. Thus our team name and skull and crossbones symbol. Or have I been playing Rome:Total War too much lately?

Yes, and I have no problem with gearing up for war. But it's too late for an early rush, and to early for imortals.

By the time we have built 2 reg. archers and a spear, they will have a barracks and a vet spear in their capital. Then it's going to be messy.

Wait for immortals, built cities until that point, try and Vet our warriors on barbs, upgrade.. Crush - Golden Age, more Immortals, more Crushing.

	10-03-2005 13:21									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Aqualung71 For better or worse, we have entered their territory. we have also discovered the Lost Boys, annoyingly close to the south. Capital build switched to a Granary. I suggest next turn after the 2 Warriors are completed we switch to at least one Barracks and start with Archers.

Barracks - Agreed. Suggest the city formerly known as Sugar City
archers - What are we going to do with them?

	10-03-2005 13:54									#178
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quote: Originally posted by Moonbars archers - What are we going to do with them?

Well I said Archers on the premise that we're going to piss-off the Euphoriscans. If they (or someone else for that matter) appear on our doorstep to attack, it is likely to be with an Archer or a Warrior, possibly accompanied by a Spearman. In such a case, I believe attack would be the best form of defence, and we should have 2-attack Archers ready to fire rather than 2-defence Spearmen ready to sit passively and take the fire. I do of course recognise that there are defensive bonsues to take into account that can make all the difference, but I was favouring taking the initiative in such a sutuation.

But I could be convinced otherwise

	10-03-2005 15:36									#179
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If we expect attack, yes - archers are going to be best. But also at least one spear.

	11-03-2005 09:39									#180
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I was afraid we'd find somebody close in the south. The whole situation re: attacking looks good at first glance, but could very easily go south. I'm all in favor of the buildup, because I don't think we're going to be able (even if we wanted ) to keep it peaceful long enough to get a horde of immortals.