08-03-2005 09:40									#211
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I would rather buy a missile, six on attack unit, if they can sell it.

Now we are thinking really creatively.

And as for the cash. If making with Spartans good relations would cost us some energy I would do it compared to rushing and loosing troops at this stage of the game coz of war with them.

	08-03-2005 10:49									#212
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Yeah, was just giving an example regarding the weapon.

One thing tho. If we and they agree on an arms deal, I don't think that received units from the Spartans with a high morale will have the same as they transfered to us.

	08-03-2005 11:15									#213
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Yes, they will get adjustment, I think. We are not very high morale at the moment. Wealth setting...

	08-03-2005 14:20									#214
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I am ok with loaning money to the Spartans but I am not sure about buying gatling or missile rovers from them.

That would be too much like tempting fate.
Yessir Col Googlie just leave those 12 elite missile rovers over there next door to Heavens Gate.

	08-03-2005 14:22									#215
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What would be useful to know is which Uni bases have probes in them.

	08-03-2005 14:57									#216
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It's an AI faction, I would be surprised to find strong probes there, if any.

And there's no reason to let possible purchases be dropped on the doorstep of one of our bases. We still got a whole peninsula on the west where a deal can be transfered to us.

	08-03-2005 16:40									#217
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We got a hint from Morganities, that Spartans can keep their probes on tiles near Zakharov bases. I would not be surprised to find some on key points, efectively obstruct the best access trails.

	08-03-2005 16:52									#218
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quote: Originally posted by Hercules ... ok with loaning money to the Spartans ...

The bad side of any loan here is that once you borrow, you can declare vendetta and then you do not need to pay. We can only hope, Spartans will not use this strategy.

I have also similar thoughts about missile units. If we get SFF next turn, then we rather can spend these several minerals more on our prototype. Impact or gatling unit would be then a waste of energy

	08-03-2005 19:27									#219
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Morgan Pact:

With G pacted to M then if we pact with G we are indirectly pacted with M.

Spartans:

Help them and our military by buying some stuff fton them.

	08-03-2005 23:20									#220
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quote: quote: GeoModder wrote on 07-03-2005 22:41: Message received. What makes you think that those deployments you mention would affect the Data Angels and are not for invading your faction? IT GeoModder Those forces are for invading us. In the short term they will affect you fishing expeditions. In the long term (7/8 turns) they will descend upon you. They will attack us, then you, then Gaia. They'll contain the Hive and get around to the PK when its convienent for them. We do have a map of their territory. It's worrisome. Mead PS One thing I forgot to mention regarding their Elite rovers. In addition to being able to move 3 turns, they also have multible attack. It's kinda like choppers.

On the sound of this PM, they expect to be gone before the decade is over. So we could see some Morgan bases conquered or obliterated when we have the turn again.

If this is the case, then I don't really understand why the Spartans didn't hold on the PTS base. They might have lost a tech or two on possible probe rapes, but it would freed other bases from those probe defenders for next years attack. And I can't believe the Morgans would have had enough cash to mindprobe a base back when a lot of military units where in it.

	08-03-2005 23:44									#221
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I still think our own strategy as set out in the Nexus thread is a good one. Also Doc Air is not far away. But I suppose we will have to build more sentinels around the coast as well.

	09-03-2005 08:38									#222
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A beeline to Doc: Air might not be a bad idea...

Get the SAM planes up and running, while there's a negative to them attacking ground/sea units they serve a good double duty.

	09-03-2005 08:46									#223
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In any case, it's running behind the Spartans in this matter. They probably already have some in the field.

	09-03-2005 08:58									#224
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probes, planes, or rovers?

(Sorry, couldn't help the reference to the movie Planes, Trains, & Automobiles)

	09-03-2005 09:06									#225
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All of them, no doubt.

	10-03-2005 07:28									#226
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quote: Originally posted by mart7x5 Anyway I will prepare a message to Spartans in a few hours.

Has this happened, Mart? Turn progesses again... (and darn, it will be ours to play just when I have to work again)

	10-03-2005 08:05									#227
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Nope, not yet. I thought I would have time, but I was not able to write it. I have some sleep shortages including recently. Let us see what this turn brings. I can write still some message.

	10-03-2005 08:45									#228
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Before you read it. I think we might make clear with Spartans how to give them Int Int. We might try to trade it the same turn we give it to them, though there is risk, Morganities might get it the same turn - build CDF maybe. This would break the deal with Spartans, kinda. I think we may secure CDF for them and get their trust in return. If they value honor the same as survival... So there it goes:

quote: To Spartan Federation, Maybe you could agree with our assesment of the political situation on the Planet, that recent events were very significant. We would like to ask you about your oppinion about the situation on Chiron. Our last trade agreement is approaching completion with the moment you will succesfully receive Intelectual Integrity. We would like to ask you then, how would you like to receive this technology. We understand that you wish to build Citizen's defence Force. Will you be prepared to instabuild it in 2164? Our relations have been very good and we very much appreciate the trust you gave to Data Angels by entering such agreements like trading Ethical Calculus for Intelectual Integrity, when we received the technology so many years ahead. Would you be interested in further technology trading? Recently we entered in contact with Morgan Industries, as you may already know, and have a Treaty agreement with them. We received also an invitation for Pact, however we refused it. Our refusal was based on no-ingeration policy into your conflict with Morgan Industries. We are although interested in your oppinion on the current state of the war. In one of the statements in public discusion forum, we read, that Morgans could sign a peacy treaty with Spartan Federation. It appears from the conversation that it is Morgan Industries that refuses signature of Truce. Would you comment on that? We also realize, that elimination of Planetary Transit System brought a commerce penalty on Spartan Federation due to market mechanisms independet from ours or yours will. Since you are in the Treaty of Friendship agreement with Data Angels, we would like to ask you, what is your current economic situation after the commerce income was stopped. Sincerely, Data Angels Diplomatic Corpse

	10-03-2005 16:03									#229
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no-ingeration

Did you mean no-integration.

Re this forthcoming trade of Intel Integ to the Spartans, we will need to remind Gaians of this previous agreement so as they are forewarned if and when Spartans build the CDF.

This could be viewed as an act of collaboration with Sparta against both Morgan and Gaia.

	10-03-2005 16:34									#230
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They could see this as colaboration, but we should not dispose our deals. Gaians would not treat us seriously too, if we made "deal withdrawals" just like that. I think they will understand. We could also remind them about receiving Ethical Calculus. From what they wrote, they might even not have it from Hive probing till now or until contacting Morganities. They also took already their share.

no taking sides sounds better, then...

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	10-03-2005 18:14									#231
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opinion instead of oppinion?

I go for this message, and for sticking to our deals. If Morgans and/or Gaians find this offensive, so be it. They have no right to meddle in our deals with other factions... but the same counts for the Spartans!

	11-03-2005 00:40									#232
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Message from Googlie (Spartan)

quote: Dear IT GeoModder: Thanks for the update as to when we can expect Intellectual Integrity. May we inquire of you whether Morgan has asked about obtaining Int Int that same year from you (they precede us in turn order) and, if so, what your response was (or will be, if they have not yet asked but do ask in the next year?) Also, might the Data Angels be interested in aquiring the commlink for the University of Planet ? (We are encouraging the good Provost to be more outgoing and to seek lucrative commercial relations with other factions) For a modest 40 energy credits we could supply that information (and you could recoup your investment - perhaps even make a modest profit - by onward transmission to your colleagues at the Gaian Union. Our diplomatic channels, alas, are somewhat blocked as regards the Federation Junta and the Union Lords) Regards Colonel Googlie

	11-03-2005 00:44									#233
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I acknowledged receiving of the message and answered that we will respond shortly. I posted meanwhile the following:

quote: To Spartan Federation, Maybe you could agree with our assesment of the political situation on the Planet, that recent events were very significant. We would like to ask you about your oppinion about the situation on Chiron and discuss several issues. Our last trade agreement is approaching completion with the moment you will succesfully receive Intelectual Integrity. We would like to ask you then, how would you like to receive this technology. We understand that you wish to build Citizen's defence Force. Will you be prepared to instabuild it in 2164? Our relations have been very good and we very much appreciate the trust you gave to Data Angels by entering such agreements like trading Ethical Calculus for Intelectual Integrity, when we received the technology so many years ahead. Would you be interested in further technology trading? Recently we entered in contact with Morgan Industries, as you may already know, and have a Treaty agreement with them. We received also an invitation for Pact, however we refused it. Our refusal was based on staying neutral policy regarding your conflict with Morgan Industries. We are although interested in your oppinion on the current state of the war. In one of the statements in public discusion forum, we read, that Morgans could sign a peacy treaty with Spartan Federation. It appears from the conversation that it is Morgan Industries that refuses signature of Truce. Would you comment on that? We also realize, that elimination of Planetary Transit System brought a commerce penalty on Spartan Federation due to market mechanisms independet from ours or yours will. Since you are in the Treaty of Friendship agreement with Data Angels, we would like to ask you, what is your current economic situation after the commerce income was stopped. Sincerely, Data Angels Diplomatic Corpse

	11-03-2005 00:47									#234
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So... Gaians and Spartans are not communicating anymore as well?

We could, as a modest financial support, indeed buy the comlink of Zakharov.

	11-03-2005 01:16									#235
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I do not recall Morganities usking us for Int Int in 2164.
Also, Mead now admits, the deployments are attacking them. I have impression, they only predict the "trail of destruction" planned by Spartans. It may be not true, unless the have a real mole inside their forum.

Re University commlink. 40 EC is a bit too much in my oppinion. This may also the sign that Spartans need energy. Maybe we could arrange it like that - they will give us Zaks commlink and we give them some preferential price on it as a part of helping their economy. Maybe 50 EC? Just to make it a bit larger?

I would propose the following message to the Spartans:

quote: To Spartan Federation, We have not discussed release of Int Int to Morganities. Also, knowing, that you intend to build Citizen's Defence Force, we would not trade it to any other faction, both AI or human controlled for the reason that Morganities preceed you in turn order. We also do not suspect Morganities to probe us for that specific technology and hope they will not be able to perform this action in 2164 mustering some incredible large effort. We consider 40 EC for University of Planet as a bit too high price at this moment, however we might offer you a preferential price as recognizing your needs in times when you are refused any commerce. We would be willing to transfer to you 50 EC for commlink to Provost Zakharov. IT Mart ...

	11-03-2005 01:25									#236
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I must be really tired, I will edit all those numerous script errors in my posts above

	11-03-2005 01:28									#237
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quote: Originally posted by GeoModder Has this happened, Mart? Turn progesses again... (and darn, it will be ours to play just when I have to work again)

Just a reminder, that I am travelling to London, this weekend, departing Saturday midday and returning Monday evening.

I hope the turn will come in Friday sometime or at worst early early Saturday Morning.

	11-03-2005 01:57									#238
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We could the same arrangement as last time. You play the turn Hercules and either make a morganic file or send us the end save for final adjustments.
Is your upload problem fixed?

	11-03-2005 01:58									#239
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This is quite a good approach, Mart, I have no objection in principle. But maybe not just yet.

It would be useful to find out from the Morgans if Zak's base, Mendelev has a Uni probe or indeed a Spartan probe in it.

We are not interested in the Uni Comms for the sake of it but for the infiltration aspect. And Zak could be just as non-communicative as Yang, for all we know. Plus there are not many Uni bases left, so Zak might no longer be a research guru.

The PK's also have Uni's Comm channel and that could be as productive and cheaper.

However if we do get a Pact with Zak via comms, it means our probe, rather than infiltrate Uni could explore further in the Spartan direction.

We can say that we still need to rush a number of NN or whatever (really Command Centres and plasma defense) so it may be 2164/5 before we can contemplate buying Uni comm.

In the meantime we can offer a 20ecs deposit. If we infiltrate then we can say we got comms via PKs but hey keep the ecs as a gesture of good will.

Or is all this too complicated.

	11-03-2005 02:02									#240
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Slight cross post.

And I haven't tried uploading since.

I will have more time next week (I think).