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And I danced...
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Rubyman says:
Hello Representative Skrobism
Rubyman says:
I, Brigadier General R. Chaser of the Blood Oath Horde Red Guard.
Commander of the Rock Hound Brigade, Acting Commander of the Grey Wolves Horde.
Skrobism says:
hold please
Rubyman says:
You have recieved my identification papers
Rubyman says:
ok
Skrobism says:
hello
Skrobism says:
sorry for the delay
Skrobism says:
work called
Rubyman says:
ok
Skrobism says:
I have 30 minutes
Rubyman says:
You have sent a piece of information to the Great Council
Skrobism says:
yes
Rubyman says:
It certainly seemed light on
Skrobism says:
I can get more
Skrobism says:
much more
Skrobism says:
can we have peace?
Rubyman says:
maybe
Skrobism says:
depending on?
Rubyman says:
Just what this information is all about
Rubyman says:
I have an official documentation from The Great Council.
Skrobism says:
It is about about another nations plans to attack you.
Skrobism says:
The BOH great council?
Rubyman says:
yes
Rubyman says:
I am most curious where you have obtained such plans
Skrobism says:
I am sure you are. Babylon is intalks with all nations. makes you wonder.
Skrobism says:
Can we have peace?
Rubyman says:
are you in a rush
Skrobism says:
unfortunately yes.
Rubyman says:
why
Skrobism says:
I need to pick my wife up from work. Need to leave in 27 minutes. Then run errands. The get to bed to wake up before 5am. That's all.
Skrobism says:
sorry
Skrobism says:
I am usually much more flexible
Rubyman says:
so peace in 27 minuts?
Skrobism says:
sure
Skrobism says:
a general working agreement
Rubyman says:
I will now present the Council Document
it will tae a few posts - the we can chat once that is tabled
Rubyman says:
ok
Skrobism says:
ok
Rubyman says:
The Great Council of The Blood Oath Horde
LORD SKROBISM,
THE COUNCIL HAS EVALUATED THE INFORMATION THAT YOU HAVE SENT. WHILE WE APPRECIATE THIS OFFER, WE SEE LITTLE THAT IS NOT KNOWN TO THE BLOOD CELL ORGANIZATION WITHIN THE HORDE. THE ANALYSIS OF OUR INTERNAL AUDITING INDICATES THAT IT IS HIGHLY UNLIKELY THAT WE FACE AN EMINENT ATTACK.
Rubyman says:
TO SHOW OUR RESOLVE, WE HAVE SENT GENERAL RUBYCHASER (WHO COMMANDS THE GREY WOLVES BRIGADES) WITH OUR RESPONSE.
Rubyman says:
1.) WE HAVE REVEALED TROOP STRENGTHS TO YOU IN REVEALING THE NUMBER OF UNITS COMPRISING THE GREY WOLVES.
2.) WE HAVE HELD THE GREY WOLVES IN PLACE WHILE THESE NEGOTIATIONS HAVE TAKEN PLACE
3.) WE HAVE RECEIVED LITTLE INFORMATION FROM YOU IN EXCHANGE.
Skrobism says:
must read
Rubyman says:
still more ok
Rubyman says:
4.) YOU MUST PROVIDE GENERAL RUBYCHASER WITH HARD EVIDENCE OF A PLOT AGAINST US, OR HE MAY (AT HIS DISCRETION) EMPLOY THE GREY WOLVES TO DEMONSTRATE THE SERIOUSNESS OF NOT COMING THROUGH ON YOUR OFFER.
Rubyman says:
5.) THE BLOOD OATH HORDE HOLDS YOUR EXISTENCE WITHIN OUR GRASP. WE WILL NOT BE TRIFLED WITH. IN ORDER TO OBTAIN A CHANCE OF PEACE YOU MUST SUPPLY THE INFORMATION FORTHWITH. IF, UPON EVALUATION, IT PROVES TO BE AUTHENTIC AND ACCURATE, WE WILL CONSIDER PEACE WITH AN ADDITIONAL GOLD COST TO YOU.
THUS SAYETH THE COUNCIL OF THE BLOOD OATH HORDE.
Rubyman says:
done - please read through
Skrobism says:
OK. I think I read it clearly.
Skrobism says:
AM is planning near term to attack you.
Rubyman says:
AM - and they are telling you this?
Skrobism says:
Babylon does not hate the Horde. You never really did much to us.
Skrobism says:
and yes
Skrobism says:
AM is looking to Vassalize Babylon.
Rubyman says:
The Horde have done nothing to you.
Skrobism says:
fine nothing
Rubyman says:
Looks t me in my chats with AM that they are about to wipe you from existance.
Skrobism says:
They might
Skrobism says:
But we are about to sign a treaty with the liars
Skrobism says:
We know they fear you
Skrobism says:
They want to turn their efforts towards BOH
Skrobism says:
Babylon could enter into this arrangement and we could feed you info on troop mov'ts.
Skrobism says:
BUT we need to be tricksy.
Rubyman says:
ok
Skrobism says:
We'd probably need to officially stay enemies
Skrobism says:
Babylon is SO angry at AM. We want to stab them deeply in the back.
Rubyman says:
It is wll that you and I talk now.
Rubyman says:
My Grey Woles Horde is itching for battle.
Skrobism says:
Let me get some meat for your Grey Wolves.
Rubyman says:
We travelled a long way to deal with your nation, now they are in a holding pattern.
Skrobism says:
we don't want that.
Skrobism says:
I want the Horde to know that Babylon's only beef with the horde was the end of TNA.
Skrobism says:
We felt left out in the cold.
Rubyman says:
Ok
Skrobism says:
Then there was all that misuderstanding about techs.
Rubyman says:
Yes that is a very sore point in Horde
Skrobism says:
All the YELLING in emails and chats is a sore point here.
Skrobism says:
but we can get past that
Rubyman says:
we sing songs in the inns f the "Three of Three deals" that Babylon renigged on
Rubyman says:
yelling is it
Skrobism says:
yelling it WAS
Rubyman says:
Remember, you ask for peace here
Skrobism says:
that is in the past
Skrobism says:
peace now yes
Rubyman says:
Also know that many of theHorde would like to see your team gone, so that the ame can again move on more than 1 - 2 turns per week
Skrobism says:
lol - yes. I'd like the game to move along too.
Skrobism says:
5 minutes
Skrobism says:
Look. Take this back to the Blood Oath Horde
Skrobism says:
Babylon can get info out of AM.
Skrobism says:
We will feed it to you - real time.
Skrobism says:
no delays and internal votes and crap
Rubyman says:
so for now?
I have several Brigades at the ready
I am not willing to sign a peace this day on this intel
Rubyman says:
maybe a cease fire between us
Skrobism says:
Let me sign the mutual protection pact with AM. We (AM & Babylon) will then plot against BOH. Babylon will feed you details.
Skrobism says:
I will take a cease fire now.
Rubyman says:
Cease fire - only valid for turn to turn. Needing you and I to again discuss. Ok?
Skrobism says:
Of course.
Skrobism says:
That is all I can hope for
Skrobism says:
Thank you for your mercy
Rubyman says:
Mercy is an interesting word for this event.
Rubyman says:
I was given this command to eradicate your nation.
Skrobism says:
why? you have a stack of doom pointed at me.
Skrobism says:
Mercy is the correct word and I am grateful
Rubyman says:
Why you ask, many points have been mentioned above, mainly we at war, and I a warmonger.
Skrobism says:
That was both of us typing at the same time.
Skrobism says:
ignore it
Skrobism says:
I know why you were marching on us.
Rubyman says:
Ok.
Skrobism says:
Do we have a cease fire?
Rubyman says:
For this turn that is to be replayed - es we do.
Rubyman says:
yes we do.
Skrobism says:
thank you. I must go. I will pass this on to Babylon.
Skrobism says:
Who do I contact at BOH in the future?
Rubyman says:
I would like t eet with someone from your Military, one of your Generas or such.
Rubyman says:
I am your Horde contact.
Skrobism says:
E_T is playing the turns. Beta is the leader
Rubyman says:
Who leads your armies?
Skrobism says:
I must go - sorry
Skrobism says:
All of us
Rubyman says:
Ok
Rubyman says:
Bye
Skrobism says:
Bye
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Basically they made threats. I gave up AM as the team plotting against BOH. I told him of our plans to Vassalize, yet we'd continue to inform BOH. They offered a turn to turn cease fire.
I will post this in the LB forum as well.
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skrobism
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My guess is that E_T is correct. They are bluffing. How else did I get away with giving up SO little?
Doesn't matter, we will feed them AM info as we see fit.
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BOH is looking for peace with us. PLATO contact me twice today via MSN. We decided to chat tomorrow at 7pm US CT. That should give us time to figure out what we want to do.
I will post this in the LB forum as well.
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skrobism
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OOH free food! Get it while you can.
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Orlando, Florida
Mar 2001
time: 00:33
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Ah, my sister didn't pay for it (cost me 13 bucks, I could have had 2 meals for that amount...).
Anyways, here's what I told Skorb, via PM
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If he won't go to IRC, then I won't be there.
BUT, if he starts trying to bully you, with threats of their "SOD", then ask them to send us a screenshot, as to where it is, after this last turn's moves as proof of it's existance and threat to our lives before continuing. Or they can continue to talk, but without any implied threat!! Or they can just go and blow your left n@t.... hehe (or if you want to put it another way, tell them to blow MY left n@t....).
We will not negotiate under duress or threats thereof and as far as we are concerned, they are just that, threats. And then tell them that they can fill one hand up with their threats and something else in the other and see which one fills the fastest.....
OH, make sure to tell them that I've just posted about my e-mail problems, in public forum and they need to resend/forward to my other e-mail addy.
E_T
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and skorb's reply
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I was talking with PLATO who is rational; not PLATO the bloodthirsty.
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Don't let that fool you. If they can't get what they want (which brings up the question, what DO they really want??) one way, then they will change tactics to get it another way.
They have done this, enough times, that frankly, it's getting tireing.
Just remember, they are doing this for their reasons, not ours. And that we are doing this, because we hate them both, but right now, we hate AM more (but don't tell them that).
Tell them that AM is looking to move their capitol, away from the eventual BoH counter attack, to their (AM rfictional, but constistant with what we have said before) initial thrust and that's why they attacked us and vasselized us.
Also tell them that they need to do it soon, so that they can get the most out of their GA, with the 2 production centers.
But remember, they don't get ANYTHING else, until we see (and have posted and discussed...) a screenshot of their threat. And it has to be AFTER their move, this turn, as they had moved in original (if they claim that they don't have a shot of that group, from this turn). If they get beligerant, then tell them, that its something that the TEAM (make sure you emhasize that) would like to see and that they won't deal any more unless 'the TEAM' see it and has a chance to consider it. Then we will make peace and divulge all....
E_T
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I understand. I am sure that PLATO the Bloodthirty will show up for negotiations.
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I spoke with PLATO. He seems like a good guy that just wants to get past the misunderstandings that plague this game and get on to having fun.
Then the "peace" talks started.
quote:
Skrobism says:
gello
Skrobism says:
hello
PLATO says:
Greetings Lord skrobism
Skrobism says:
Greeting Plato of the Horde
PLATO says:
I have come from The Great Council with a reply to the overtures of peace
Skrobism says:
Babylon seeks an end to these hostilities and a renewal of the friendship that our nations once shared.
PLATO says:
The council has considered these pleas, but cannot find within itself a reason for Babylon to once again be trusted
PLATO says:
Three times we have had agreed deals reniged on.
PLATO says:
Now you stand in alliance with those who would seek our destruction
Skrobism says:
Ambassador, Babylon has similar concerns of the Horde's honesty. We too have seen alliance throw to the side over rash decisions and quick tempers. But, you do have an army and we trust that will be used. We seek peace.
Skrobism says:
What can Babylon offer?
PLATO says:
You have spoken of great knowledge that will "save" the Horde, but as we survey our realm we see no threat. Then you identify that the threat comes from those who know the folly of crossing the Horde
PLATO says:
We feel no threat and therefore do not consider the offer a valuable one'
PLATO says:
However, In the spirit of what once was I will offer the following terms:
PLATO says:
1.) Babylon to transfer 900 gold to BOH upon declaring peace. 2.) Babylon will provide the next two techs it researches to BOH...any delay in transfer will result in immediate resumption of hostilities, 3.) Babylon to provide two settlers to settle cities at location of BOH choosing and then immediately gift cities to BOH, 4.) Babylon to pay tribute of 20 gpt for 20 turns
Skrobism says:
Show me this mighty army of yours. We too have scouts around the world. Babylon feels very little immediate threat from the Horde. Show me our doom.
PLATO says:
The Horde will show you our troops.,..simply decline this offer and soon they will visit
Skrobism says:
We wish for peace but those terms would be our demise. You look to rob us. You claim to have a knife. Pull it from your pocket and show this to us. (send me a screenie)
PLATO says:
The location of BOH troops is a national security matter and will not be divulged. If you doubt their existence then you should decline our offer. The council is willing to take by force that which could be given. The time of your pain will fade over the years, but to deny peace now is your doom.
Skrobism says:
You called this "peace summit", and you come with threats and no proof to back it up. I hoped for peace. I thought we had an agreement for at least a cease fire, but the Horde continues to threaten the peace loving nations of the world. What am i to do?
PLATO says:
The agreement for a cease fire was based on the provision of intel information from Babylon. If this continues then we can continue to keep The Grey Wolves in check. I must warn you however that General Rubychaser is anxious to see his brigades in action. Finally, I am not threatening you at all...The force of the Horde has been called down upon babylon for what we feel are very ...more
Skrobism says:
* getting my son from the bath keep typing*
PLATO says:
legitimate reasons. In order for us to trust and rebuild this relationship, Babylon must show the strongest of commitments. To do anything else would incline the council to continue to rid this world of a nation that we feel cannot be trusted.
PLATO says:
Yet, you come to us in a weakened state and with no real military and want us to show you troop locations. Again, if you doubt their existence then just reject this offer.
PLATO says:
You must remember...the council has put serious thought into the possibility of peace and we see no upside other than the offered terms
Skrobism says:
* I'm back - must read*
Skrobism says:
Look. Babylon want to restart a friendship with the Horde. We were stabbed in the back by the Morporkians. We will be entering into a pact with them. The purpose of that pact is to remove BOH. Babylon is already in an alliance with several teams that want to see the Horde removed. babylon could have fed you intel from the Morporkian Pact; and ( we'd never betray Eu or LB) be a voice of ...
Skrobism says:
\reason in that camp to stop the war against BOH.
Skrobism says:
But BOH just wants war.
PLATO says:
No, we want a redress of our grievences. What good is your treaty with AM if you do not exist? However, as your desire for peace seems legitimate, then we can work to build trust in another way.
Skrobism says:
*10 minutes*
PLATO says:
We will continue this cease fire in exchange for intel from AM. If the information proves both accurate and trustworthy, then perhaps during this time trust can begin to be rebuilt
Skrobism says:
I will send our AM/Bab treaty to you now if that helps. There might be some small details that change but this is all but signed. *I just need to find Krill or Orm online*
PLATO says:
Fair enough. I will take this to the council and we will meet again after the council reviews this material. Until such time you may consider a cease fire in effect
Skrobism sends:
Transfer of "AM-BabTreaty.txt" is complete.
Skrobism says:
Please note that Babylon will NOT betray the Bards nor Lost Boys. We have no love for the Morporkians so this is not a betrayal. Just treatment in kind.
PLATO says:
I understand. We have not asked for a betrayal. Babylons help is not needed in the war with those nations in any event.
Skrobism says:
Of course.
Skrobism says:
Babylon will send intel on AM as we get it. Please keep in touch. This cease fire works better for us than open peace for obvious reasons.
PLATO says:
Indeed. Perhaps this will do a lot to rebuild trust between our nations. I feel, in the spirit of fairness, that I should remind babylon of the price a betrayal here would mean. That being said, Let us move forward. Hopefully we can one day have a true rebirth in our nations relationships.
Skrobism says:
Agreed.
Skrobism says:
end diplo?
PLATO says:
end diplo
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I have included the treaty that I sent BOH. I added Section V Article 1 and renumbered the rest.
I will post this in the LB forum as well.
 Attachment: am-babtreaty_boh edit.txt
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Skorbism, Skrobism - just don't call me late for dinner.
I do request that the unit named after me have his name corrected so when he is killed we can get the name right on him tomb.
Thanks. But, I'm just dancing as quick as I can.
900g + 2 Techs + 20g/t They are entertaining.
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I don't think BOH wants a formal peace with us. They couldn't get half that from us by removing us from the game.
The cease fire works for now.
I think I've learned to let BOH members come to the table and bluster and threaten. The come with pre-scripted threats and demands. I think it is fun for them. What ever.
Now, if I could just get Ormuzd of AM to give me an honest email address to contact him at MSN, I could start feeding BOH some real intel.
Did you like my edit to the AM-Bab treaty?
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I added Section V Article 1 and renumbered the rest. Down load the treaty attached above.
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Here is the email sent to BOH. I hope I gave enough details.
The attachments are the chat and email posted in the AM thread. I changed some of the text in the pretreaty chat file to make AM look worse and us (LB included) look better.
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Greeting PLATO, Ambassador of the Horde,
Babylon understands that while we only have a cease fire and are still technically enemies, we want you to see our use in a longer term friendship.
I have been holding onto details of a chat that I had with Krill of AM prior to signing a peace treaty. I was waiting for you to contact me before revealing this to you. But the situation has changed. The Morporkian plans have suddenly changed.
You already have a copy of the treaty. Please read the chat that I have attached. It shows AM's plans to use Babylon as a coastal shield to the south, and to use Babylonian catapults for their war against BOH. AM's plans to relocate their capital to the Ex-Babylonian core. But it also allows for some time after the signing of the treaty for the re-location and then war.
However, Krill sent the email that I attached. AM's expected treachery against Babylon has begun before the ink even dried. They are demanding the cities WITH the horses now! Are they stepping up plans for the war against BOH? Makes us wonder what changed. We cut the horses as originally asked. Let them take the city. We have nothing there anymore. They deserve the worthless hole.
The Morporkian pigs have also setup an Iron Colony. The drums of war beat strong and hard.
Let us keep this turn to turn cease fire. DO NOT offer peace at this time. We will be forced to refused it anyway.
Babylon will keep you updated.
Regards,
-Skrobism
Vox Inannum
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Krill's email fwd'd to BOH.
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Disinformation sent to BOH after the latest Krill chat. This chat is heavily edited.
email to BOH:
quote:
---------TOP SECRET-----------------
PLATO,
Things are changing fast. I have no idea what
Krill/AM is going to do to us now. Read the latest
chat that I have attached.
Babylon's time in this world is short.
-Skrobism
Vox Inannum
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the bogus chat
 EDIT BY CON : HERE YA GO E_T
quote:
Skrobism says:
Greetings Krill of Morpork
Krill says:
Hi mate
… Out of game chat…
Skrobism says:
so. back to EoD.
Skrobism says:
Greetings Krill,
Skrobism says:
I was very disappointed in the change of plans.
Skrobism says:
Then we considered giving the city as asked but Beta had a last minute change of plans.
Skrobism says:
Babylon does not want to be treated like this for now on.
Skrobism says:
We are partners. Ture that you are the stronger of the partners but there is nop reason to act like this.
Skrobism says:
You have nothing to say to this?
Krill says:
yes, there is a reason. Neither me nor Ormuzd can risk waiting on the BOH attack. We can't wait for you to build units for us to steal. The time is coming soon and we can't wait for your re-colonization.
Skrobism says:
I thought we had an agreement to re-col the cities as settlers are built. If we turn over our cities now, what do we have left? We are not ready to launch an attack or support you in this now.
Skrobism says:
What about Beta not sending the city as demanded? What is to happen?
Krill says:
Honestly, I have not had time to talk to Ormuzd about that.
Skrobism says:
Well I see no reason for you to cripple us, your new partner.
…network issues…
Skrobism says:
cordless phone and wireless net don't always play well.
Krill says:
We need you weak and don't have time for Babylon to build cities and an army.
Skrobism says:
But how do you start a new partnership while constantly changing the rules? We don't want that kind of a partner.
Skrobism says:
We were going to have your back in a war with BOH. We were to move for your new capital. We were giving up prime real estate for you and you change rules each turn. We don't have time for this.
Skrobism says:
any comment?
Skrobism says:
maybe you are sleeping it is very late.
Skrobism says:
hello?
Krill says:
Look, right now i can't think of anything good too say.
Skrobism says:
and right now Babylon really doesn't see any good coming from this partnership. The Morporkians are constantly changing their minds. We can live like this.
Skrobism says:
can't live like this
Krill says:
can't?
Krill says:
Oh.
Krill says:
We can't live by your timeline. I need to talk to Ormuzd about this.
Skrobism says:
Make a real peace with Babylon. We will be your vassals. That is our lot in this game. But allow us to stay strong and we can watch your back in the upcoming fight with BOH. We can supply the cats as mentioned before. We will watch the coast and share resources, but if you plan to change your mind each turn - we are done - we don't want it.
Skrobism says:
I will look for your response in game. Good night. Happy gaming. |
Attachment: krill_skrochat.txt
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