12-05-2005 13:44									#271
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Base damage doesn't matter so much. The difference in average damage between a 1d4 kukri and a 1d8 longsword is just 2 points, or 4 points on a critical. Maxed out for criticals (Imp. Crit. and Keen, no WM levels), the kukri gets a critical on rolls of 12-20 (40% of the time) and the longsword gets a critical on rolls of 15-20 (25% of the time). With no other bonuses, the kukri does an average of 2.8 damage on every hit, and the longsword does an average of 5 damage on every hit. But once you've got a +6 bonus to damage, the kukri does an average of 11.2 damage per hit (at full STR bonus) and the longsword does an average of 12.5, and the damage gap continues to decrease as the damage bonus increases.

But on top of that, the kukri is a Tiny weapon, which means that even Small characters can dual-wield a pair of kukris without losing attack bonuses from holding a light weapon in the off-hand. It also means that any feats they take that apply to a single weapon type (like the Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization, and Improved Critical feat paths and the WM favoured weapon) are applied to both weapons.

All that said, there are better weapon choices if you're a Medium or larger creature.

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	12-05-2005 16:07									#272
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There are better choices for Small creatures as well - they get to use rapiers and scimitars as two-handed weapons

-Jam

	12-05-2005 16:12									#273
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Jam, can you not just halve the randomness of monster encounters, or double the number that appear? I remember wandering about the area that has the snow wolves in for ages so I could make a killing from selling the fur.

	12-05-2005 17:00									#274
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I thought you didnt crit every time you rolled a crit?

	12-05-2005 21:15									#275
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Nope, you have to roll again to "confirm" the crit

ANKHEGS are the most awesome thing in NWN ever. Poor old Ajantis and Khalid running from hole to hole, and Imoen standing in the middle firing off arrows, while I cast Cure Light Wounds like mad, with Ankhegs popping up and down all around. I like.

-Jam

	12-05-2005 21:22									#276
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[downright evil]How about having them cured every time they return to their hole?[/downright evil]

	12-05-2005 23:02									#277
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quote: Originally posted by Fve Crathva Base damage doesn't matter so much. The difference in average damage between a 1d4 kukri and a 1d8 longsword is just 2 points, or 4 points on a critical. Maxed out for criticals (Imp. Crit. and Keen, no WM levels), the kukri gets a critical on rolls of 12-20 (40% of the time) and the longsword gets a critical on rolls of 15-20 (25% of the time). With no other bonuses, the kukri does an average of 2.8 damage on every hit, and the longsword does an average of 5 damage on every hit. But once you've got a +6 bonus to damage, the kukri does an average of 11.2 damage per hit (at full STR bonus) and the longsword does an average of 12.5, and the damage gap continues to decrease as the damage bonus increases. But on top of that, the kukri is a Tiny weapon, which means that even Small characters can dual-wield a pair of kukris without losing attack bonuses from holding a light weapon in the off-hand. It also means that any feats they take that apply to a single weapon type (like the Weapon Focus, Weapon Specialization, and Improved Critical feat paths and the WM favoured weapon) are applied to both weapons.

Take that Diss.

	13-05-2005 01:04									#278
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski There are better choices for Small creatures as well - they get to use rapiers and scimitars as two-handed weapons -Jam

Dual-wielded kukris do a base of 2d4 + up to 1.5×STR per round at first level (split over two attacks, of course), and a two-handed rapier does a base of 1d6 + 1.5×STR per round at first level.

At 9th level, with Imp. TWF, Dual-wielded kukris do a base of 4d4 + up to 3×STR at BAB 7/7/2/2, and a two-handed rapier does a base of 2d6 + up to 3×STR at BAB 9/4.

Of course, in the real world the dual-wielded kukris are less likely to hit a tougher opponent, but that's when your halfling is suppose to step back and fire arrows at the bad guys while the Big People take all the damage.

SP

	13-05-2005 01:25									#279
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Your comparing 4 attacks/round vs 2 attacks/round doesn't tell the full picture of level 16 (assuming Fighter BaB) with haste. Then we compare 7 attacks/round with 5/attacks round. The rapier just gets better and better:

More likely to hit = more likely to convert critical chances into actual criticals.

And on those criticals STR is multiplied by 3 (in effect as 1.5 x 2 = 3)

Sure the kukris look good around the low teens, but as you level higher they become more and more useless. Untill we get to the Dev Crit realms anyway. But for both Halflings and Gnomes with their -2 initial STR, Dev Crit won't be coming along until about level 33.

-Jam

	13-05-2005 04:09									#280
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Fair enough. What happens when you have two +5 kukris instead of just one +5 rapier (by the way, are enchantment bonuses applied to criticals?)?

SP

	13-05-2005 04:33									#281
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Take that Diss.

it's still a girls weapon

	13-05-2005 06:48									#282
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quote: Fair enough. What happens when you have two +5 kukris instead of just one +5 rapier (by the way, are enchantment bonuses applied to criticals?)?

No, they're not. You'd increase the chance of getting hits and get more crits that way though. The maths is mindbending.

-Jam

	13-05-2005 07:20									#283
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In the absence of easy math, judgement must be based on style. I think the kukri is the clear winner here.





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	13-05-2005 07:35									#284
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Ogre + greatsword = win.

Too bad I messed up Glurk

	13-05-2005 16:09									#285
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I'm tempted to have a halfling or a gnome with a halberd, or at least one of the long pointy weapons. Does anyone have any relevant experiences/feats?

	13-05-2005 16:16									#286
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In fact, while I'm thinking about pointy weapons, have any of the 1337 modders for NWN developed throwing spears yet? A Greek Hoplite character would be quite fun. The Stoicism would make for good roleplaying.

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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york I'm tempted to have a halfling or a gnome with a halberd, or at least one of the long pointy weapons. Does anyone have any relevant experiences/feats?

The only polearm small creatures can use is the Trident, sorry And that's not a standard NWN weapon, you'll need to play a CEP module.

-Jam

	13-05-2005 20:57									#288
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Y'know what, there's blooming MILLIONS of empty houses to loot in Beregost. I can't believe I spent all day making little rooms that look different

-Jam

	13-05-2005 21:04									#289
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The difference in housing was probably the most striking when I started playing NWN after BG.

	13-05-2005 21:31									#290
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Y'know what, there's blooming MILLIONS of empty houses to loot in Beregost. I can't believe I spent all day making little rooms that look different -Jam

Yeah, why don't you get a job or something.
What happened to the one you had? Was 'poly banned or something?

I keep saying it, but: why don't you make it different!!!!
Put some random people in these houses. With decent loot. And level 30 with uberweapons of pwnage!!!!

	13-05-2005 21:32									#291
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IIRC Jam called in sick (without actually being such) ONCE and the workplace peopleses showed him to the door.

	13-05-2005 21:34									#292
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Well next time he shouldn't claim that he got diseased when fighting a mummy and had to rest.

	13-05-2005 21:41									#293
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The thing is that I DID get diseased fighting a mummy. Problem was, it was my boss's mummy, and he wasn't pleased that I was beating up his family.

Pah, no point in getting a job when I have to work fulltime on BG-->NWN

I just culled half the houses in Beregost and put double loot in the remaining ones. A perfect solution, methinks. Now, why does the town have an insane ratio of 6 houses to 4 pubs? (Not as bad as Nashkel, mind you, which has 2 pubs, a shop, a temple, a barracks, a fair, a mine and one house. ONE. And the guy that lives there is DEAD)

-Jam

	13-05-2005 21:49									#294
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Nashkel has a farm too!

spoiler(highlight to read): With some ankheg armour buried in the field!

Now was there really any point in spoilering that?

	13-05-2005 22:57									#295
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No.

	14-05-2005 00:08									#296
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I don't count the southwest side of the river as Nashkel Its more like Essex.

	14-05-2005 21:35									#297
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I was going to start playing NWN again, but i can't connect to any servers. I connect to Gamespy and get a serverlist, but whenever I try to connect to a server it times out and my favorites / history shows all the servers as offline, even though they are shown as active in the server list.

	14-05-2005 22:03									#298
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Yeah, Gamespy are mental today, I can't get online to play Rome: Total War vs my brother either. Bloody Gamespy need to realise that the fate of other peoples' products depends on them providing a relyable service.

	15-05-2005 00:00									#299
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You don't need gamespy though IIRC.

	15-05-2005 00:24									#300
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I don't use Gamespy. You have to know the address (domain name or IP address) and port (usually 5121) to connect to though, and click on the Direct Connect button. When you do that, it will remember the addresses and put them up by themselves if you cancel the Gamespy load. Or, you can put them in your favourites. Or, some places have icons and software that can bypass the Gamespy stage altogether and log directly on to the servers (I'm thinking of Avlis here, and there might be others).

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