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We certainly had a better director of FEMA before Bush took over.
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Guynemer
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Witt was universally respected and praised from all points of the political spectrum and had many years experience.
Brown's job prior to head of FEMA was in a Arabian horse trade association.
That is beyond satire.
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I'd like to direct you to the latest post from Sandman in the "Bush has failed" thread.
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Guynemer
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quote:
Originally posted by DanS
This is a typical Washington turf war. I have seen hundreds like it before. There's no particular significance to this one over the others. |
Thousands of dead would disagree if they could.
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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
time: 05:33
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First of all LakePontchartrain is directly linked to the Gulf of Mexico, look at the bit between NoLA and Slidell. Secondly surges in water "always" hit downstream targets after the rain has fallen. So all the water that Katrina dumped in the Mississippi monday afternoon and evening came to New Orleans on Tuesday, and that's why levees broke after the storm. The surge is the rain water in this case not some whipped up water from a storm.
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Guynemer
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I was only quoting you, Dan. "No particular significance."
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Prifysgol Caerdydd
Dec 1999
time: 15:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Patroklos
Lets make this easy for you, a special explanation, for a special boy.
Lake Pochatrain is to the NE of New Orleans, on that mak and every other map, not along the Gulf coast as you thought. The storm surge did not strike the levees there like you said, gradual flooding as the water filtered inward through the waterways burst it.
Still with me?
The levee break on the Miss, is to the West of New Orleans, just where the map says, or in other words up river.
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More total bullshit being made up!
*DIG**DIG**DIG*
Sorry, who is it you're trying to convince by now?
Everyone knows you're talking out your arse - we've spelled your bullshit out to you over and over and over and your still making sh.it up - you're so BUSTED...
No one on this site believes a word you're saying because it is all wrong, you have made a total and utter tool out of your self - even Ned would have had the smarts to quit by now...
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Guynemer
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quote:
Originally posted by DanS
There's still no particular significance to that quote because it signifies nothing more than a turf war. It is riling you up to read it, I'm sure. It was designed to do that. It's manipulative.
Am I the only one with a shred of constructive cynicism here? My pattern recognition algorithm, honed over years of reading similar stuff in the Washington Post, says it's a turf war. |
Sure.
It's a turf war that cost lives. That makes it very, very different.
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of the frozen North.
Apr 1999
time: 22:33
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quote:
Originally posted by DanS
Here's a good article from the Washington Post. You still have to read between the lines as you are inclined, but I found the following quote very illuminating, although there is a lot of blame shifting going around (be careful as to what you ultimately believe)...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...5090301653.html |
I followed your link, and I didn't find the above quote. Here's what I did find:
quote:
What Went Wrong
Storm Exposed Disarray at the Top
By Susan B. Glasser and Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writers
Sunday, September 4, 2005; Page A01
The killer hurricane and flood that devastated the Gulf Coast last week exposed fatal weaknesses in a federal disaster response system retooled after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, to handle just such a cataclysmic event.
Despite four years and tens of billions of dollars spent preparing for the worst, the federal government was not ready when it came at daybreak on Monday, according to interviews with more than a dozen current and former senior officials and outside experts.
Among the flaws they cited: Failure to take the storm seriously before it hit and trigger the government's highest level of response. Rebuffed offers of aid from the military, states and cities. An unfinished new plan meant to guide disaster response. And a slow bureaucracy that waited until late Tuesday to declare the catastrophe "an incident of national significance," the new federal term meant to set off the broadest possible relief effort.
Born out of the confused and uncertain response to 9/11, the massive new Department of Homeland Security was charged with being ready the next time, whether the disaster was wrought by nature or terrorists. The department commanded huge resources as it prepared for deadly scenarios from an airborne anthrax attack to a biological attack with plague to a chlorine-tank explosion.
But Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday that his department had failed to find an adequate model for addressing the "ultra-catastrophe" that resulted when Hurricane Katrina's floodwater breached New Orleans's levees and drowned the city, "as if an atomic bomb had been dropped."
If Hurricane Katrina represented a real-life rehearsal of sorts, the response suggested to many that the nation is not ready to handle a terrorist attack of similar dimensions. "This is what the department was supposed to be all about," said Clark Kent Ervin, DHS's former inspector general. "Instead, it obviously raises very serious, troubling questions about whether the government would be prepared if this were a terrorist attack. It's a devastating indictment of this department's performance four years after 9/11."
"We've had our first test, and we've failed miserably," said former representative Timothy J. Roemer (D-Ind.), a member of the commission that investigated the Sept. 11 attacks. "We have spent billions of dollars in revenues to try to make our country safe, and we have not made nearly enough progress." With Katrina, he noted that "we had some time to prepare. When it's a nuclear, chemical or biological attack," there will be no warning.
Indeed, the warnings about New Orleans's vulnerability to post-hurricane flooding repeatedly circulated at the upper levels of the new bureaucracy, which had absorbed the old lead agency for disasters, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, among its two dozen fiefdoms. "Beyond terrorism, this was the one event I was most concerned with always," said Joe M. Allbaugh, the former Bush campaign manager who served as his first FEMA head.
But several current and former senior officials charged that those worries were never accorded top priority -- either by FEMA's management or their superiors in DHS. Even when officials held a practice run, as they did in an exercise dubbed "Hurricane Pam" last year, they did not test for the worst-case scenario, rehearsing only what they would do if a Category 3 storm hit New Orleans, not the Category 4 power of Katrina. And after Pam, the planned follow-up study was never completed, according to a FEMA official involved.
"The whole department was stood up, it was started because of 9/11 and that's the bottom line," said C. Suzanne Mencer, a former senior homeland security official whose office took on some of the preparedness functions that had once been FEMA's. "We didn't have an appropriate response to 9/11, and that is why it was stood up and where the funding has been directed. The message was . . . we need to be better prepared against terrorism."
The roots of last week's failures will be examined for weeks and months to come, but early assessments point to a troubled Department of Homeland Security that is still in the midst of a bureaucratic transition, a "work in progress," as Mencer put it. Some current and former officials argued that as it worked to focus on counterterrorism, the department has diminished the government's ability to respond in a nuts-and-bolts way to disasters in general, and failed to focus enough on threats posed by hurricanes and other natural disasters in particular. From an independent Cabinet-level agency, FEMA has become an underfunded, isolated piece of the vast DHS, yet it is still charged with leading the government's response to disaster.
"It's such an irony I hate to say it, but we have less capability today than we did on September 11," said a veteran FEMA official involved in the hurricane response. "We are so much less than what we were in 2000," added another senior FEMA official. "We've lost a lot of what we were able to do. |
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L'Boro, UK
Oct 2001
time: 05:33
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Looking at Google Earth, there's a number of what look like fairly sizeable rivers flowing into the Lake (or at least the little lake next to it which flows into Pontchartrain). Add to that the rainfall on the lake, and the water draining from the wetlands surrounding the lake on all sides...
Tbh I think water came over the levee, soaked it through and it slowly cracked. If only they'd had someone to stick his finger in the ****...
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