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Aug 2001
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Magic Marker Strategy
By John Tierney
NYT
Instead of relying on a "Good Samaritan" policy - the fantasy in New Orleans that everyone would take care of the neighbors - the Virginia rescue workers go door to door. If people resist the plea to leave, Mr. Judkins told The Daily Press in Newport News, rescue workers give them Magic Markers and ask them to write their Social Security numbers on their body parts so they can be identified.
"It's cold, but it's effective," Mr. Judkins explained.
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/06/o.../06tierney.html
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Jan 1970
time: 00:33
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Apparently, the forced evacuations announced by the mayor have been vetoed by the governor and the regular military is not going to be participating in any of it. There is an obvious, continued lack of communication between the city and the state governments. Maybe the mayor will tell the governor to piss off and have his city police department force people out.
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Confusion Reigns Over Forced Evacuations
Bush May Ask Congress for $50B in Immediate Aid
By Daniela Deane and Jacqueline L. Salmon
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, September 7, 2005; 1:30 PM
Confusion reigned Wednesday over whether officials will force people out of their homes in New Orleans.
A Louisiana official said this morning the state won't make people leave their homes in the besieged city just one day after New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin authorized law enforcement officers and the military to force the evacuation of all residents who refuse to leave. Released late Tuesday, Nagin's emergency declaration targets all those still in New Orleans who have not been designated by government officials as helping with the relief effort.
As the controversy over forced evacuations deepened, administration officials said President Bush will be asking Congress for as much as $50 billion in immediate aid for the Hurricane Katrina catastrophe.
White House Press spokesman Scott McLellan said the $10.5 billion down payment approved last week "is being spent more quickly than we even anticipated."
"There will be more that will be needed," he said.
In the first government estimate of Katrina's economic impact, the bipartisan Congressional Budget Office said the damage could cost as many as 400,000 jobs in the coming months and slash the nation's economic growth by between half and one percentage point in the second half of the year.
"Evidence to date suggests that overall economic effects will be significant but not overwhelming," the CBO said in a letter to lawmakers. The CBO said the expected cost is less than initially thought because of progress in opening oil refineries and restarting pipelines in the region. Government officials have called Katrina one of the biggest natural disasters in U.S. history.
Meanwhile in Baton Rouge, La., Ed Jones, chief of disaster recovery and mitigation for the Louisiana Department of Homeland Security, said the decision to use the military and state rescue personnel to forcibly evacuate citizens from New Orleans lies with the governor, not with the mayor.
National Guard and state rescue workers have not received any communication from Mayor Nagin about forcing people out of their homes and an order to take such action would need to come from the governor, said Jones at disaster headquarters in Baton Rouge.
At this point, Jones said, National Guard and state rescue workers "will not force people out."
"It's a very tough decision to force an American out of their home," Jones said.
But later in New Orleans, Police Supt. Eddie Compass said city officials would go forward with the mayor's plan. He said once the "voluntary evacuations take place, then we will concentrate our efforts and forces to mandatorily evacuate residents."
Compass said thousands of people still wanted to voluntarily evacuate the city.
"We hope that most people cooperate," Compass said. "We have a large enough manpower force with the army and the state, city and federal agencies to do this expeditiously and as safe as possible." Compass said authorities will use "the minimal amount of force necessary to evacuate people from the city."
Officials said the authority for the mandatory evacuation order came through state statutes.
As of midday Wednesday, there were no reports of anyone being removed by force, according to wire service reports.
Several New Orleans residents, quoted by the Associated Press, said they had heard the mayor's order to evacuate and were reluctantly complying.
Dolores Devron, who left the city with her husband and her dog, said she was relieved the couple was allowed to take their pet with them but angry that they were ordered out.
"There are dead babies tied to poles and they're dragging us out and leaving the dead babies. That ain't right!" she screamed, according to the AP.
Lt. Gen. Joseph Inge, deputy commander of the U.S. Northern Command, said in a briefing with reporters at the Pentagon in Washington that civil authorities were discussing the forced evacuation issue.
He said National Guard troops were under the authority of Louisiana officials. He said regular U.S. troops "would not be used" in any forced evacuation.
"I understand that this is an issue," Inge said.
Jones said in Baton Rouge that the Federal Emergency Management Agency, or FEMA, has authorized $200 million for New Orleans and its surrounding parishes affected by the hurricane.
Aid to individuals affected by the flood -- including vouchers for food and housing and food stamps -- is expected to flow later today, he said. The biggest problem, he said, is getting phones and computers to people affected by the hurricane and either still stuck in homes or scattered in shelters in dozens of states to allow them to register with FEMA.
Also today, Doug Thornton, vice president of the firm that manages the Superdome, said the structure sustained "severe" damage, and estimated that repairing the facility will cost at least $100 million.
But, he said, it was premature to consider tearing the state-owned facility down, home of the New Orleans Saints, and officials won't have a firm estimate of the full extent of the damage for two months. Replacing the 30-year-old structure could cost up to $600 million, he said.
"We would like to salvage that building," said Thornton, noting that it hosted a papal visit, a presidential nomination and collegiate basketball championships. Structurally, he said, the facility is "steady as a rock."
In a briefing at the disaster command center in Baton Rouge, La., Thornton also detailed the extensive damage to the structure after it was battered by Hurricane Katrina and then used to shelter 25,000 people for five brutal days after the storm.
During the ordeal, those sheltering there reported assaults, rapes and suicides. Human waste piled up and food and water ran out. Thornton said that much of the damage was caused when 70 percent of the roof failed after winds up to 170 miles per hour ripped off exhaust fans on the roof and began tearing off the rubberized surface of the roof.
"Once you start peeling one piece of it off, it started peeling like an onion," said Thornton. He estimated that repairing the roof will cost $8 million alone.
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My Wife Hates CIV
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Michigan
Jan 1970
time: 05:33
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'So how did the destruction of New Orleans happen? '
???
A big ass storm came through and wipe it out? i saw it on the news. how could you miss it??
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Prifysgol Caerdydd
Dec 1999
time: 15:33
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So basically what we've figured out is that all levels of authority have been found incompetent - from the local authorities right up to the govt...
It seems to me that the thing that has killed the most people (I am hoping this 10,000 figure is way exaggerated as 9/11) was the incomplete evacuation of the most vulnerable people, leaving more than 100,000 people in the hurricane's path. The responsibility of that surely has to rest with the Mayor and possibly the Governor.
Other people seem to have died from lack of relief after the fact - either from lack of medical attention, possibly thirst (any known deaths from that?) and the breakdown of law and order resulting in murders.
These seem to be victims of the inertia manifested by both FEMA and the Federal Govt – perhaps the most obviously spectacular case of incompetence appears to be from Michael Brown, but considering he was apparently incompetent organising a bunch of ****ing horses, the blame for him must surely lie with whatever crackerhead appointed him in the 1st place!!!
Also, if those levees were properly strengthened as asked for and forseen, the city and its inhabitants and probably the bulk of the deaths would have been prevented in the 1st place! So whoever is ultimately responsible for that is ultimately responsible of this entire mess…
Or – basically everyone involved in a position of authority has majorly ****ed up.
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Originally posted by BlackCat
Quite agree, a MOBIOS posting doesn't reach the quality of a Ned posting. Ned at least made some kind of sense when he argued. He even bothered to find and supply links that could support him. |
Yep, you got me – I must’ve imagined posting all those links with my very first post…
Here’s a tip – if you’re gonna lie about me, at least pick something that isn’t so effortless to make you look like a clown…
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quote:
Originally posted by MOBIUS
So basically what we've figured out is that all levels of authority have been found incompetent - from the local authorities right up to the govt...
It seems to me that the thing that has killed the most people (I am hoping this 10,000 figure is way exaggerated as 9/11) was the incomplete evacuation of the most vulnerable people, leaving more than 100,000 people in the hurricane's path. The responsibility of that surely has to rest with the Mayor and possibly the Governor.
Other people seem to have died from lack of relief after the fact - either from lack of medical attention, possibly thirst (any known deaths from that?) and the breakdown of law and order resulting in murders.
These seem to be victims of the inertia manifested by both FEMA and the Federal Govt – perhaps the most obviously spectacular case of incompetence appears to be from Michael Brown, but considering he was apparently incompetent organising a bunch of ****ing horses, the blame for him must surely lie with whatever crackerhead appointed him in the 1st place!!!
Also, if those levees were properly strengthened as asked for and forseen, the city and its inhabitants and probably the bulk of the deaths would have been prevented in the 1st place! So whoever is ultimately responsible for that is ultimately responsible of this entire mess…
Or – basically everyone involved in a position of authority has majorly ****ed up.
Yep, you got me – I must’ve imagined posting all those links with my very first post…
Here’s a tip – if you’re gonna lie about me, at least pick something that isn’t so effortless to make you look like a clown… |
i agree.
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Ted Striker
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United States of America
Jan 1970
time: 21:33
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quote:
Originally posted by MOBIUS
So basically what we've figured out is that all levels of authority have been found incompetent - from the local authorities right up to the govt...
It seems to me that the thing that has killed the most people (I am hoping this 10,000 figure is way exaggerated as 9/11) was the incomplete evacuation of the most vulnerable people, leaving more than 100,000 people in the hurricane's path. The responsibility of that surely has to rest with the Mayor and possibly the Governor.
Other people seem to have died from lack of relief after the fact - either from lack of medical attention, possibly thirst (any known deaths from that?) and the breakdown of law and order resulting in murders.
These seem to be victims of the inertia manifested by both FEMA and the Federal Govt – perhaps the most obviously spectacular case of incompetence appears to be from Michael Brown, but considering he was apparently incompetent organising a bunch of ****ing horses, the blame for him must surely lie with whatever crackerhead appointed him in the 1st place!!!
Also, if those levees were properly strengthened as asked for and forseen, the city and its inhabitants and probably the bulk of the deaths would have been prevented in the 1st place! So whoever is ultimately responsible for that is ultimately responsible of this entire mess…
Or – basically everyone involved in a position of authority has majorly ****ed up.
Yep, you got me – I must’ve imagined posting all those links with my very first post…
Here’s a tip – if you’re gonna lie about me, at least pick something that isn’t so effortless to make you look like a clown… |
MOBIUS 
Funny to see the Reactionaries dismiss MOBIUS' posts just becuase he is MOBIUS.
Unfortunatley for the Apolyton Danish contingent, he's 100% correct.
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