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Should I circumcize my son?
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25.32% |
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64.56% |
| Try it on a banana first. |
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10.13% |
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79 voters |
100% |
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tandeetaylor
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Las Vegas
Apr 2001
time: 21:21
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Originally posted by SuperSneak
Tandee-- Do your existing children get immunized? I hope so. |
This is my first.
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How do you judge what is competent or not? You aren't a doctor, and, by your own admission, don't have the education to support such assumptions? |
Yes, I did not have a very good education when I was in school I have since began trying to educated myself, and I have at least learned to use my mind.
In the last three months, I have become acquainted with three different doctors. One was a chiropractor. My husband threw his back out. I had enormous amounts of respect for him not only because he was able to alleviate the pain but also because he showed us the x-rays, showed his charts he had in his office, explained everything in a more-than-thorough way and was a very very logical person. I find him competent.
The second was my first prenatal doctor. After my first pelvic exam visit, I went to him 3 more times. Each time he came in, checked the baby's heartbeat and left. If I asked him a question or brought up a concern I was absent-mindedly shushed. He never explained anything, and I am quite sure if there had been anything wrong with me or my baby, the baby's heartbeat alone wouldn't have determined. I find him imcopetent.
The third doctor is my new prenatal doctor. He came in, asked me all sorts of questions about what was going on, how I was feeling, explained to me why certain symptoms happen, etc. He had ultrasound equipment in his office and explained that he is not a qualified ultrasound technician (or something), but he uses them just so he can know more, for his own knowledge and benefit, etc. I find him competent.
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I'm concerned that you are talking out of both sides of your head--you are constantly contradicting yourself in regard to your husband, your children and even your own ability to make an informed decision about anything whatsoever. |
Please do give examples so that I might have a chance to respond.
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I'd also like to point out that once, long ago, the majority thought the earth was flat. They were wrong too. |
I thought that myth was long ago debunked in that educated people knew that the earth was not flat. Maybe there were more uneducated, I guess.
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SuperSneak
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In the land of the one-eyed
Jun 2000
time: 21:21
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To me, it seems that by your own admission, you have a strong feeling that the decision is yours alone. I can tell you that my wife and I have come dangerously close to breaking up over issues regarding our child, but, ultimately, because the decision was completely mutual, our relationship is now stronger.
In regard to your child, you are using very incidental evidence (your health and your brother's illness) as a leaping off point on immunization, which I think is very dangerous.
Also, you are making a judgement of competance based on how much a doctor explains to you...while this makes you feel better or worse, it is in no way a guage for ability, just bedside manner.
This has already gotten personal enough, so I'm just going to bow out now...despite some very strong objections to your reasoning and approach, I do wish you the best of luck in your process, and hope that ultimately your child will benefit from your decisions and be a happy and successful person.
That is, after all, what is MOST important to me.
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tandeetaylor
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Las Vegas
Apr 2001
time: 21:21
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Originally posted by Tuberski
Disagree with what exactly?
You don't get excommunicated, the term you are looking for is disfellowshiped. |
That you have any respect for your religion.
No, you would be excommunicated if you have done all those things, and if you have done one on more than one ocassion, and especially since you apparently still unrepentant (correct me if I'm wrong). Do you want me to call a bishop to confirm?
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tandeetaylor
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Las Vegas
Apr 2001
time: 21:21
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Originally posted by SuperSneak
In regard to your child, you are using very incidental evidence (your health and your brother's illness) as a leaping off point on immunization, which I think is very dangerous. |
Well, I said that I knew this wasn't proof, and the fact that my whole life I have been pounded by mother about how horrible immunizations are, I think it means a lot that I haven't even come close to making a decision about this, and that I really want to know the facts before I decide.
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Also, you are making a judgement of competance based on how much a doctor explains to you...while this makes you feel better or worse, it is in no way a guage for ability, just bedside manner. |
In explaining, they showed how logical they were. And in not want to hear about potentially dangerous symptons, he proved how imcompetent he is. I don't care how mean they are, as long as they're willing to make sure I'm OK and do their job.
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This has already gotten personal enough, so I'm just going to bow out now...despite some very strong objections to your reasoning and approach, I do wish you the best of luck in your process, and hope that ultimately your child will benefit from your decisions and be a happy and successful person.
That is, after all, what is MOST important to me.
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Well, thank you. I don't know how anyone could think that that wasn't what was important to me too. Otherwise I would have just done it because it's normal where I live, and maybe thought about it after, if ever.
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tandeetaylor
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Las Vegas
Apr 2001
time: 21:21
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Originally posted by Tuberski
If you feel that you have to be right, go right ahead, but if you are wrong, make sure you post that as well. |
You were the one who corrected me. But of course I will say if I was wrong. Hold on...
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tandeetaylor
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Las Vegas
Apr 2001
time: 21:21
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Originally posted by Tuberski
If you feel that you have to be right, go right ahead, but if you are wrong, make sure you post that as well. |
OK, I called, and the answer is..... It depends.
If you have the priesthood, but have not been endowed, you would be disfellowshiped. However if you were adamant about not changing, it would go to disciplinary council, and depending on how adamant you were, you would be excommunicated.
If you have been endowed, you would be excommunicated.
If you were disfellowshipped and did not change, you would be excommunicated.
So I was mostly wrong (unless you're endowed), but you aren't completely right either. 
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tandeetaylor
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Las Vegas
Apr 2001
time: 21:21
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Oh, and go read your D and C again because caffeine is never mentioned in the W of W and the Church has no offcial stance against it.
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connorkimbro
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Seoul Korea
Jan 1970
time: 23:21
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Sneak, Imran, et al:
I'm going to look past the fact that you've greatly insulted one of the best people I've ever known because you've based your judgments of a few comments in this thread, and you don't KNOW her at all. tandeetaylor happens to be one of the smartest people I've ever met. She's not some little uneducated backwoods girl that you make her out to be. I'm positive that she's consulted doctors about this as well. I'm positive that she's discussed this with her husband as well. Her decision is her decision, and i'm sure it's based on the most thourough of research and reasoning. If YOU (sneak) came to different conclusions, then good for you. But it's rather arrogant of you to insult people that have come to different conclusions, don't you think?
As an added opinion, I think that husbands and wives ought to discuss things and come to mutual conclusions. But in this case, the decision is about another PERSON. If the husbands only reasons FOR circumcision are tradition and religion (and they seem to be) then it seems very silly to subject an infant to that. That's just my opinion, and it appears to be tandee's as well. Circumcision is very very easy to have undone later, and if the son wishes it later in life, piece of cake. Ok, i'm done offering my own opinions.
Now for my own EXPERIENCES. I can't say whether it's more pleasurable for ME or not, because i've never been not circumsized (obviously.) I HAVE been told by some girls that i've been with, that non-circumsized is BETTER for them. No girls that I've ever been with have ever run away screaming because of the hideousness of it., or express disgust. Why? BECAUSE I WASH MY PENIS. Most guys do, I hope, whether they are circumsized or not. Penises are ugly whether they are circumsized or not, I think. It's not like they are any more aesthetically pleasing because they've got the foreskin cut off.
Lastly, a word of defense. . .
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I have a sneaking suspicion that she dumped ck, because he stood up for himself. |
That's just bullshit. Sorry Imran, if you want to make ad hominim attacks, at least use a subject you know something about.
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09-08-2002 03:35
that statement with your avatar... 
Well it's true, babe 
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