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orangesoda
Nov 2001
time: 22:26
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Here is the letter to GoW if we decide to ratify this trade. Anything I missed or any suggestions?
quote:
GhengisFarb of the Glory of War,
It is the pleasure of GS to offer GoW this document confirming our agreement to the matters discussed previously today.
We feel the agreement is best served for both parties with a few particulars that were not touched on in the discussions earlier. These are only suggestions on the part of GS, and if they fail to meet with the approval of GoW they can be erased and the agreement will still stand. These inclusions will be noted with a *.
If GoW has any suggestions as to any revisions or additions, GS will give the same consideration to those proposals. This is to allow for the final polish to be added to the agreement while avoiding any further delays in the signing which is time critical at this juncture. In no case will either party be forced to agree to any such additions if they feel they aren't in their own best interests.
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The Terms: (currently turn 93)
Research and Payment:
GoW sends 200g to GS this turn.
GS will increase research funding on Feudalism to finish the advance on turn 96.
GS promises to deliver Feudalism to GoW as soon as it is researched.
GoW agrees to an NDA (NTC) on Feudalism for for the duration of 10 turns from when it is delivered to them. After the 10 turns have passed, GoW is free to do with Feudalism as they see fit.
Sea ROP:
GS gives full access to the Galleys of GoW to navigate the shores of Little Bob. This access will last until GoW has had ample time to explore the circumferance of the continent or GoW is satisfied with the extent of their exploration.
GS agrees not to land any units on BoB for the duration of the Sea ROP *plus 10 turns, without explicit consent from GoW.
GoW agrees not to land any units on Little Bob for the duration of the Sea ROP *plus 10 turns, without explicit consent from GS.
GoW will use a Galley to observe the road between Elipolis and Dissidentville to report Voxian troop movements to GS for a duration of 5 turns. These reports will be in the form of screenshots showing the type and number of Voxian units within the Galley's sight. The Galley will each turn check the tiles NW of Grog Mountain, to 2 tiles South, NW of Vox's cultural borders if not hampered by Voxian vessels. After 5 turns time, the Galley is free to continue on it's way. *If GoW's Galley happens to be sunk by the Voxians, GoW will notify GS of it and the observation requirement will be dropped at that point.
GoW's ships in GS territory will not number more than two. Neither will the two venture within 8 tiles of each other. The first vessel will be allowed 2 Horsemen occupants. The second will be empty.
This Sea ROP will last until GoW's vessels are able to safely (or suicidally if GoW so chooses) leave GS' waters having explored their extent.
Future Chivalry Trade: (can be agreed to now or seperated from the above for further revision)
GoW researches Chivalry as soon as Feudalism is delivered to them.
GS will give 200g to GoW halfway through GoW's research of Chivalry.
GoW will give Chivalry to GS as soon as research is finished.
GS will observe an NDA (NTC) on Chivalry equivalent to that which GoW agrees to with Feudalism. After 10 turns have passed from GS receiving Chivalry, they are free to do with it as they see fit. |
With some more fluff (and our ratification noted) at the end if we go through with this.
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Shiber
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Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:26
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Originally posted by DeepO
One thing though: why is GF chatting with Togas at the same moment as with us? Is he keeping them up to date? (Don't mention this in chat, just soemthing to keep in mind)
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GF isn't very familiar with his IRC client. He uses mIRC, and those dark red lines that he's seeing are private messages. mIRC shows private messages in channel windows by default, and colors them dark red.
If he didn't understand what these were, then it means that he wasn't chatting with Togas during our chat, or at most, he was in RP's room talking to Togas with regular messages (in that case, Togas would have written him in the RP room rather than sending him private messages).
If a room is tagged "secret", you can't see that the room exists by looking at the servers list ('/list' in most IRC programs, '/list -ALL' in some, e.g. B*tchX and EPIC) nor can you see if a certain user is talking in that channel by using the whois command (e.g. '/whois GhengisFarb'). The only way to tell if GhengisFarb and Togas were chatting in the same room (no way to track private messages though; that's why they're called private  ) if that room was tagged secret is by guessing the name of the room and then pinging that room (e.g. '/ping #RP', '/ping #RolePlay'). The server will ping every user in this room, if it exists, and return the pings to you.
Unless Togas and GhengisFarb know how to get their IRC client not to return pings, this should work as long as you can guess the name of the channel that they're staying at. Since getting mIRC, which is what Togas and GF are using, to not return pings involves some cracking, which I think is beyond GF's abilities (his expertise is computer graphics, mostly 3D models and 2D scenes; He's really good at that though!), we can assume this method to be absolutely reliable. So use it, if you are in doubt!
Last edited by Shiber on 11-04-2003 at 18:20
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DeepO
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supporting Candle'Bre
Jan 2002
time: 06:26
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I'm not sure they are in your part, but they certainly are in Shiber's part. I could read the private conversation, it wouldn't be good to post that to GoW 
As to the proposal: looks good to me, you can send it what I'm concerned. Maybe one comment would be that we agree that we can unilaterally decide that the Sea-RoP is cancelled, taking eg 10 turns of NAP, and 200 gold. We are probably not needing it, but in case we would, it can be handy.
Other comment: We would need to be sure we get chivalry not as the last civ in the game. So maybe include a point where, if GoW would be 5 turns later in delivering the tech than the first team to get it, we are allowed to buy it elsewhere, and GoW will resend the downpayment in full. Just to keep some pressure on them.
DeepO
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Shiber
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Haifa, Israel
Jul 2002
time: 07:26
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None here.
Someone (DeepO or Alva, I think; I forgot, sorry) suggested that we add another clause that would oblige GoW to return us the 200 gold in case that they would finish Feudalism 5 or more turns later than another civ and let us buy from someone else (partially to give GoW a reason to hurry up with Chivalry as much as they can), but I don't like this idea in particular.
First of all, it's too significant for a last minute's change. Second, there's no way they're going to agree to that; in fact, it could cause serious detriment to our relations with GoW, as they would see this as some sort of opportunism. Third, there's no need to try to whip GoW into finishing Chivalry earlier - they'll be working on this at full speed anyway, because they want to get their UU before ND can.
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